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June 21, 2021, 06:49:39 AM
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

To make it simple, Some big players already taking profit on this volatile market. Notice that the price pump too fast during bull run which means a lot of money entering including smart and dumb money, Obviously smart money taking profit on the peak then chain reaction follows for those big players that didn't take profit at top. This is just a cycle on crypto so need to worry. You can use tradingview to measure the volume of pump versus the dump since the bull run start, You will notice there that the amount almost close which support my hypothesis.

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June 21, 2021, 02:13:50 PM
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Market manipulation is repeated with emotion, psychology and the crowd repeat what they do many times. 90% of people in the crowd don't change and they are target of influencers and manipulators.

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June 21, 2021, 02:24:36 PM
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The main goal of market makers is that more people traded on the margin market.
If there are more shorts in the market, then the price of the coin is increased while the shorts' owners lose money.
Market makers do a similar manipulation against people who trade long on the margin market.
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June 21, 2021, 02:39:05 PM
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The financial markets are hardly "explainable". In order to properly describe each market move you would need to know the plans and strategies of most of the market participants which is impossible unless you have a crystal ball or you're a extremely experienced mind reader who can handle the thoughts of millions of people at once.

Some investor might have felt anxious or fearful and dumped all his bags who knows, or Elon Musk might be playing games with Tesla's or his own portfolio and doesn't care about market impact. My point is that you can't know the intentions of people who are selling or buying at any point in time, thus you can't explain dumps or pumps.

IMO the healthy way to think about it is "there were more buyers than sellers" or "there were more sellers than buyers".
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June 21, 2021, 02:47:11 PM
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Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?
I'm not an expert but for me, I can say that that's how cryptocurrency very volatile. Especially we are still early now, the market cap of Bitcoin now is still very low compare to other assets, like Gold.
What I can see is volatility at all. As Bitcoin is the most volatile asset in the world, so these huge dumps and pumps are really expected. It's just like what they say "What going up must go down, what going down, must go up".

Manipulation could be possible these days, if you already read this article, about Bitcoin Cartel around 2018 -> 4th Dimension: Bitcoin-Manipulation-Cartel — Price-Suppression is the Goal, this may help you.

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June 21, 2021, 05:47:59 PM
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Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

No one would be able to point out the exact reason why pump and dump happens in the market. Considering the size of bitcoin market, it's pretty impossible for any single group or entity to manipulate the market. But since you are watching the crypto market since last few years, you know that people will book profit after it reaches to a price point. This price point differs from person to person.

Remember,  a lot of people invested in bitcoin at 22k level and when it went back to 4k level, everyone was disappointed. Now you can't get in at even 22k level. So patience is the key here. Market corrects after every ATH and that's what is happening now.

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June 21, 2021, 06:25:56 PM
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

Simplest answer to this question is, whales wants to earn huge. They buy coins at a lower price then create hype and sell at a higher price. This is exactly what happened in BTC pumps and dumps. The guys who lose their money are retail investor who invested in the market to earn big in limited time. All this is connected to human psychology and emotions. And frankly speaking, we humans are very emotional.

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June 21, 2021, 06:29:32 PM
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I don't consider myself an expert but for sure but for sure the demand and supply works everywhere but here. The huge dump is definately due to people who have either a huge sum of money or if they are involved in groups where they try and influence the price altogether. See I feel like the whales work together. At the same time there are people like Elon Musk to influence the market. The not so rich people (mentally) generally follow whatever they say. Twitter and other social media apps are genuinely now a days a tool to make such changes. Plus when the price starts to fall it suddenly starts a chain reaction due to panic selling and it falls even further. Therefore at the end of the day it might be whales, influential people, governmental announcements , bans etc.. but at the end you cannot determine a single cause.

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Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

They all play the same type of pump and dump games to shake the paper hands out while they start accumulating from the very bottom that they decide. Then after few years, they show some volumes, attract new customers, play the same manipulation on them, take away their money 'legally' and dump on those innocent new traders. This will go on till this market goes extinct.
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

No expert behind this present situation that we're facing today, though we seen such pumps from previous market that doesn't mean it's going to be consistent. We also be precautious on different ideas that might occur someday. Market declination always made it more harder even if wealthy personalities like Elon Musk provided positive feedback on bitcoin and other coins.
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Bitcoin went from $20k to $3k. And try to understand that bitcoin is a decentralized cryptocurrency and there are a lot of markets that are trustless.

IMO, the logic that lies with the manipulation is that when big names got to sell, the market is panicking and small traders and investors are following that creates a wave with the market.

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I think the simplest logic is people are easy to fool by most influencers when it will create hype and of course, due to the demand and supply Bitcoin price will fluctuate because of its volatile nature.  People don't simply understand the real use of Bitcoin, they think if you have this, you will become rich too while thinking this during the price hike but not during the deep price in the market.

Another plus factor of manipulation is that because there are big institutional investors who are in the market now, do you think that those who invested worth millions or even billions of dollars won't sell their assets in the future?  They also considering as a whale too, we are happy that they invested that huge amount but the possible consequences ahead are waiting.

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I'm not an expert but because they know the holders will eventually sell when the price is right, they all will sell and wait for the price to plummet to its very bottom so they could buy back for the cheapest price. And as a result, they get to have more coins if done right. This isn't a secret so when everyone also wants to have more BTC, they follow what has been done by the traders in the market. It doesn't just occur in crypto but in most markets.


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Those who bought want to take profit, maybe with media or maybe people who panic sell can cause price to be down too. I think it is nature of market because people who take right time to buy and sell will get profit. And who maybe made mistake can be lose like when they bought in peak and expect for the price to be higher. But that is only my personal opinion, my conclusion is it is reaction from people who take profit, who panic sell, and who maybe aim to buy again in cheaper price.

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June 22, 2021, 05:15:27 AM
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Market manipulation is repeated with emotion, psychology and the crowd repeat what they do many times. 90% of people in the crowd don't change and they are target of influencers and manipulators.

Nice image but the one I really like is the one picture with a lot of people,,, where one guy is asking someone, what he should buy? And someone else hears buy and shouts to buy and everyone else also shouts to buy and it becomes a frenzy, but somewhere else also someone asks about sell and same thing happens in a cycle:)

We are all targets, if we wish to trade, unfortunately we have to follow as targets:)

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It's all about demand and supply. That's how the market works even if you check out stocks, forex, precious metals and commodities. You will always see "pumps" and "dumps"

Now for the case of crypto, the market is still very volatile, but the principle behind price movement is still the same. Don't be fooled into thinking people just invest in crypto for fun or to HODL forever. Most people are in the game to make profits, so eventually they will sell off at some point.

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June 22, 2021, 06:55:23 AM
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Huge volatility happens due to a multitude of reasons.

- At some point, bitcoin is still in its infancy stage where ountries finds it difficult to regulate due to its decentralized nature.
- It is being traded 24/7 at a global scale. This means that there are different factors such as big international exchange, big boys taking their advantage of the cycle, and trades based on market sentiment driven by FOMO and FUD.
- And any other reason that I have not included which could possibly affect the market be it political and technological aspects.

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IMO, the logic that lies with the manipulation is that when big names got to sell, the market is panicking and small traders and investors are following that creates a wave with the market.

One thing we have to put into consideration before we understand how manipulation of the cryptocurency market occurs so easily is that majority of the investors in the space are newbie that have no prior knowledge to investing or just trying to achieve financial freedom in the quickest way possible.

With that in mind, you'll understand why emotions still has a major say in the industry. The idea is that if whales buying into the market can pump the market then them selling too will have same effect but this time, in the opposite direction. Therefore in order to secure profit or avoid further losses, the retail investors are forced to follow the short term directions of the market.

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June 22, 2021, 07:15:09 AM
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IMO, the logic that lies with the manipulation is that when big names got to sell, the market is panicking and small traders and investors are following that creates a wave with the market.

One thing we have to put into consideration before we understand how manipulation of the cryptocurency market occurs so easily is that majority of the investors in the space are newbie that have no prior knowledge to investing or just trying to achieve financial freedom in the quickest way possible.

With that in mind, you'll understand why emotions still has a major say in the industry. The idea is that if whales buying into the market can pump the market then them selling too will have same effect but this time, in the opposite direction. Therefore in order to secure profit or avoid further losses, the retail investors are forced to follow the short term directions of the market.
Very well said.

Those newbies that have bought their preferred cryptocurrencies are now relying on the market through the media and the influential person that they're following.

Having that said, they've done a mistake that they shouldn't really rely on their decisions on any person even if it's an influential guy.

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June 22, 2021, 07:24:00 AM
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Having that said, they've done a mistake that they shouldn't really rely on their decisions on any person even if it's an influential guy.

There's this common say that everybody is a good trader during the bullish market and that's the worst time for you to think you're good at trading. Same goes for the so called experts, the bullish market make them all look good and that's why there's usually an increase in their numbers during that period.

We have quite genuine youtubers out there that you can visit their channel to get information and updates concerning the cryptomarket but majority aren't genuine and that's why newbies are advice to absent from been a follower. Same could be said about the influencer, I see no reason why anyone will adhere to the advice given from some random individual online on how he/she should invest their money. That's a decision they should make for themselves and not look for shortcut or end up getting rekted at the end

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Manipulation happens both in cryptocurrency and the stock market. If you look closely and analyze the causation behind the stock pump, you would probably end up getting the same conclusion; manipulation. However, they are barely visible because they are executed following some techniques which look natural.
Cryptocurrency is certainly manipulated but the volatility is high for so many other factors. Since it's a global market where no time is fixed unlike the stock market, a piece of simple news can influence the market significantly. In stock, since there are off/on periods, news in the off-time can't affect huge most of the time while in crypto, the news can take effect regardless of time. That's the main reason behind the huge volatility.
Apart from that, a piece of news can affect the market a few times because of the European, American, Asian trading time difference while in stock, news can affect in a single time.

Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.
Elon Musk didn't manipulate the bank balance, instead, he used his influential power. Nevertheless, if anyone is found manipulating the market whether it is the stock market or crypto market, they are supposed to be punished according to the laws in that particular area. BTW, it's not only crypto market which one can manipulate, anyone with enough fund can manipulate the stock market too.

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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?
Like what's others saying crypto currency is about how people react and i agree with that. And honestly ever since before i don't see any events or news around the internet that didn't make an impact in the market, because it always make holder to panic selling wherein knowing it can cause loses and knowing as well it just a temporary situation and they all had a chance to recover if they will stay hodl. But sad to say it seems nothing when everytime there's a bad news that's why the crypto market always experience such reactions.
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

I believe that an important reason for this process is that the price of Bitcoin cannot constantly grow and in order to continue its growth, the price of BTC falls. Yes, yes, big players artificially omit it. Moreover, such a strategy allows large players to regulate the price of Bitcoin as well as earn good money. As for 2021 and the fall in the price of BTC that we are now seeing. Probably in 2021 there will be a double increase in the price of BTC and the first phase of growth has already passed. Next, we are waiting for the formation of a bottom, this fall is a small flat and again growth, which is expected at the end of 2021
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?
Not an expert here to give you detailed information how the market works.But did you invest when prices were at $400 and sell at say even $50k? The main manipulation is done by the whales who tries to create any FUD in the market and makes dump situation in the market to buy at dips.There main target are panic sellers and new traders in the market as they say "weak hands sold to strong ones".They cash out the profits by selling at peak and then accumulate more btc at less prices.The same case is with renowned influencer like Musk who took undue advantage of their position and try to move the market to their profits or say on anti-crypto bodies follow up just to dump a coin.The main reason is lack of awareness, greed,less patience among investors who listens to them and then suffer loss creating market crash and big players make profits out of their pockets.This is how this all is working.

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June 22, 2021, 10:23:03 AM
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Group of whales, traders and small investors, all of this affects the market of Bitcoin. That is not easy to predict because all of them have their own calendar time to when they will dump it.
When a small price drop happens, a panic could make it worse. When there's panic, a sudden domino effect could bring it down.
What Elon Musk did was a good example. He made a big ruckus about dumping all his Bitcoin but this doesn't mean it is just him who will do the same thing.
Different kind of investors and traders could sway at the same direction to take a small profit but there will be no record of when or how.

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June 22, 2021, 11:19:53 AM
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New people who join in bitcoin in 2017-2018 do not research for more to know if bitcoin can still increase and break the next higher price or it will go down and make a correction for some time. They just follow what people say and not think that it will go down for a moment or long-term if the price surge to the very highest price. If they do not think much about that, they will lose their money and we already saw many people complain that after bitcoin falls to the lowest price for more than 2 years.

The pump and dump will still come at the market and no one can predict when that will come. We need to remember that after the price is at a lower or bottom price, the price will start to increase, sometimes it will break the new ATH, and after that, the price will adjust and make a correction or drop or fall into the deep. If you can prepare for anything that can happen with the market, you will not panic.

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Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

The fact that the cryptocurrency market can be manipulated by a bunch of rich people doesn't make it "untrustable". Rich people are manipulating the stock markets all the time.
Does that make the stock market "untrustable"?
The Bitcoin price explosion of the last few years can be easily explained with supply and demand.
Limited supply and growing demand are causing price growth and sometimes create price bubbles.

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Bitcoin is not a pump and dump like you said it is! You need to understand that bitcoin is superior digital asset and it's value is beyond what market place on it at any given time! The reason bitcoin is priced differently at different times is because of speculators and traders! Bitcoin should stabilize as adoption grows and acceptability is embraced. worldwide!

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Having that said, they've done a mistake that they shouldn't really rely on their decisions on any person even if it's an influential guy.

There's this common say that everybody is a good trader during the bullish market and that's the worst time for you to think you're good at trading. Same goes for the so called experts, the bullish market make them all look good and that's why there's usually an increase in their numbers during that period.

We have quite genuine youtubers out there that you can visit their channel to get information and updates concerning the cryptomarket but majority aren't genuine and that's why newbies are advice to absent from been a follower. Same could be said about the influencer, I see no reason why anyone will adhere to the advice given from some random individual online on how he/she should invest their money. That's a decision they should make for themselves and not look for shortcut or end up getting rekted at the end
I've been a fan of watching Youtubers that are sharing their opinion about the market and its sentiments. But lately, I've become busy and I think it's been a long time since I've watched one.

But I also read that there were some of these Youtubers that are not genuinely sharing their thoughts based on what they think but more of them are now shilling projects that paid them.

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I guess maybe people listen to Elon Musk too much? But seriously, people never learn, and I know for sure that no matter how much keep saying this, there are still a lot of people who will never learn and they will keep repeating the same thing over and over again. The third reply to this post with the image by SquirrelJulietGarden explains everything very well.

And one thing I have always noticed every time price is going up is that people always predict that the market will go further, which never happens. Around that 2017 and 2018 pump, when the price was approaching $20,000, I was seeing a lot of people predicting that it will cross $20,000 and reach $50,000 and some were going as far as to say it will reach $100,000.

It is no surprise to me that this very day, that some people were repeating that same thing they did then again this time around by making predictions that the price will reach $100,000 when it got to $60,000. And some of them were even predicting more than that before the year runs out. But now look at where we are. So people keep repeating the same thing, that’s why you have to be very careful and invest wisely. Don’t go with the crowd, calm down and do your research.
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Very well said.

Those newbies that have bought their preferred cryptocurrencies are now relying on the market through the media and the influential person that they're following.

Having that said, they've done a mistake that they shouldn't really rely on their decisions on any person even if it's an influential guy.

Elon Musk was one of the biggest examples why so many investors suffered huge losses and still suffering due to him. He was just one reason for the beginning of dumps, then China played its game and made the hashrate of btc mining to drop significantly. I think this is not influence only, but a matter of choice that we want to follow these guys or not.
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Commonly, the big good news and also Bitcoin halving become the reasons why BTC price pumps so significantly, and then in the bullish season, altcoins will be also following.
ANd, if there are many more big FUD spreading by very influencing people or institutions or countries, the price of Bitcoin will drop very easily, like what happens right now. FUD from many sources are here surrounding, moreover tweets from Elon that make the crypto market worse.
And if the FUD is still higher than the good news, the market may be not good again. And if the BTC price decreased, of course, altcoins also will.
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There is no logic in manipulation it's mostly people with influence trying to fill their bags and they often use their influence. Always do your own research so manipulation have little effect on you and educate others who might get influenced by market manipulators. After reaching 60k btc is not going to get to its previous 5-8k price range before bull run started, there aren't many buyers above 50k price range so price have to be corrected. This has nothing to do with manipulation, it's just supply and demand at work.

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Group of whales, traders and small investors, all of this affects the market of Bitcoin. That is not easy to predict because all of them have their own calendar time to when they will dump it.
When a small price drop happens, a panic could make it worse. When there's panic, a sudden domino effect could bring it down.
What Elon Musk did was a good example. He made a big ruckus about dumping all his Bitcoin but this doesn't mean it is just him who will do the same thing.
Different kind of investors and traders could sway at the same direction to take a small profit but there will be no record of when or how.

They were saying I remember at the end of last year that retail was dead and could not move the markets anymore thanks to institutions but they probably forgot about the power of the collective. Elon brought in for example so many new crypto buyers and so did Gamestop,,, those tsunami of retail already reminded the market they can still move prices drastically!

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June 23, 2021, 09:49:50 AM
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

Just a short reminder... in the years behind these dates we had Bitcoin halvings! The miner's rewards were halved, which affects supply! And miners still need to pay bills, but with halved rewards, they need higher prices to be profitable!
This is the free market, so all participants are free to choose their actions! We have many traders, holders, short/long term investors... small or big ones (fishes and whales, if you like that analogy), and with our actions, we create a supply/demand ratio! When something big is going on with either of these two there will be some big impact on the price!

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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

The rule is simple even in stock market , there are a group of traders or investors who have very high amount invested in the market. They are playing with the prices by investing in a specific coin, when they start investing the price start increasing and other small traders start investing their amounts to get profit when the price reaches at the desire price of manipulator they start selling their coins at profit and due to the selling of many coins at once result in the price dump.
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June 23, 2021, 06:27:03 PM
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Very well said.

Those newbies that have bought their preferred cryptocurrencies are now relying on the market through the media and the influential person that they're following.

Having that said, they've done a mistake that they shouldn't really rely on their decisions on any person even if it's an influential guy.

Elon Musk was one of the biggest examples why so many investors suffered huge losses and still suffering due to him. He was just one reason for the beginning of dumps, then China played its game and made the hashrate of btc mining to drop significantly. I think this is not influence only, but a matter of choice that we want to follow these guys or not.
It's not actually his fault but those people who have followed him and dependent on him.

It should be known that everyone shouldn't really be dependent on him or any other influencer because we're all going to end up broke if we do it again.

We have to learn from those mistakes.

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June 23, 2021, 07:26:42 PM
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?
You really don't need an expert to tell you what really happened, you have big investors like Elon Musk and his companies investing billions of dollars into bitcoin, and that created so much hype and excitement in the community that made so many people invest more and that drove then price up, and than he suddenly drops out because of environmental problems caused by mining, and china actually taking serious measures against bitcoin miners and the panic that all of that caused so many people to sell that drove the price down.
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June 24, 2021, 10:48:17 AM
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Whales and institutional investors is the main factor that make the price in high fluctuacion. Without them, the market with sideaway in long time without any high fluctuacion. Usually before pump the market, whales will doing first accumulation that difficult to detect it. After they did accumulation, and then ready to pump. They did it to make profit and to shake the market to trigger others investor come in to market.

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June 24, 2021, 01:11:04 PM
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You really don't need an expert to tell you what really happened, you have big investors like Elon Musk and his companies investing billions of dollars into bitcoin, and that created so much hype and excitement in the community that made so many people invest more and that drove then price up, and than he suddenly drops out because of environmental problems caused by mining, and china actually taking serious measures against bitcoin miners and the panic that all of that caused so many people to sell that drove the price down.

He did not just drop out because of environmental problems.
1. He did not sell (not all) of the Bitcoin that Tesla owned. Even if he wanted to am sure he does not have the final say.
2. He only said Tesla stopped accepting BTC. But when they did, who bought Teslas with BTC anyway?

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June 24, 2021, 03:37:22 PM
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clearly brilliant cash taking benefit on the pinnacle then, at that point chain response follows for those enormous players that didn't take benefit at top. This is only a cycle on crypto so need to stress. To appropriately portray each market move you would have to know the plans and methodologies of the vast majority of the market members which is outlandish except if you have a precious stone ball or you're a very experienced telepath who can deal with the considerations of millions of individuals immediately.

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June 24, 2021, 03:39:48 PM
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You really don't need an expert to tell you what really happened, you have big investors like Elon Musk and his companies investing billions of dollars into bitcoin, and that created so much hype and excitement in the community that made so many people invest more and that drove then price up, and than he suddenly drops out because of environmental problems caused by mining, and china actually taking serious measures against bitcoin miners and the panic that all of that caused so many people to sell that drove the price down.

He did not just drop out because of environmental problems.
1. He did not sell (not all) of the Bitcoin that Tesla owned. Even if he wanted to am sure he does not have the final say.
2. He only said Tesla stopped accepting BTC. But when they did, who bought Teslas with BTC anyway?
That so happens that whales manipulate the market and one of them is Elon Musk. But for now, I tried to forget his name and to accept that the crypto market has already in a curse of manipulation. Many of these whales just keep themselves anonymously, we don't know that some of them are government officials or known personalities.

Even though we don't like the idea of being manipulated but we know also that these people make the market alive and help the market to grow. In fact, we can't also deny that small investors are benefiting the market when there is hype happens. We are also in profit just like them.

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June 24, 2021, 08:14:44 PM
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can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?
When there are possibilities for happening of pumping, then you need to be prepared to face dumping also. No market can move in one direction all the times but basically bitcoin is designed to have huge value over the time due to its limited supply hence we can expect bumping to be happening over the years but in between years we can expect dumping also to be happening which may happen up to 70% of each ATH (as that past events).

Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.
No, you are wrong. If bitcoin is not trustable just because of with the reason of easy manipulation, then how you got chances to see bitcoin is growing from $400/$700 to current levels of 30k+ ? People who are investing into bitcoin must need to understand its high volatile nature. If you're able to hold it for years then you can easily eliminate the problem of high volatile nature of bitcoin.

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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?
You really don't need an expert to tell you what really happened, you have big investors like Elon Musk and his companies investing billions of dollars into bitcoin, and that created so much hype and excitement in the community that made so many people invest more and that drove then price up, and than he suddenly drops out because of environmental problems caused by mining, and china actually taking serious measures against bitcoin miners and the panic that all of that caused so many people to sell that drove the price down.
The market had always been like this on where we do already experiencing some good run then here goes with those issues that do just pop out from nowhere.

Is this something new that we had seen on this market?No its not and its been part of the market where these fuds and events do really happen along the way.

The idea of manipulation is something obvious and we could even tell in our very own eyes on how things been going but we cant do anything about it
as big players would really stepped into the game.

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June 24, 2021, 10:03:16 PM
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Well, I personally don't think every ups and downs bitcoin and the entire crypto market has made are purely based on manipulation, though manipulation do come in at certain periods like we witnessed in the days of late John McAfee and this days with Elon musk, every tradable assets with fluctuations in price is liable to go up in price and down as well, and speaking of crypto directly now, this industry is still very young with a lot of newbies who are much more after quick gains than holding for long term, so for this set of individuals, when ever they see the price a bitcoin going up due to some person or persons buying large amount of coins, they assume the market is about to explode so they begin to jump in to buy causing the price to go up more, this is what we call fomo or fear of loosing out or panic buying.
Likewise when some one or group of individuals sell lots of coins causing the price to drop a bit, this same set of individual then think the market is dumping and jump in and start selling their holdings sometimes, for the purpose of buying back at a lower price, this is what we call fud which means fear, uncertainty, doubt, or panic selling.
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June 24, 2021, 11:38:26 PM
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We can never hide the thing Manipulation. I can say that this the nature of the crypto investment, rich people can make such a thing in order to get a favor on the market. What going to happen with us as normal investors? We are simply riding with them and the market as well. We also buy at low and sell at high accordingly. Thought that they are only benefiting a lot, well, of course, we are also benefiting as well.

I think the time has come that we need to accept the reality inside the crypto market as possible that we can never stop this thing until forever.

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We can never hide the thing Manipulation. I can say that this the nature of the crypto investment, rich people can make such a thing in order to get a favor on the market. What going to happen with us as normal investors? We are simply riding with them and the market as well. We also buy at low and sell at high accordingly. Thought that they are only benefiting a lot, well, of course, we are also benefiting as well.

I think the time has come that we need to accept the reality inside the crypto market as possible that we can never stop this thing until forever.

Rich people have advantage on this since they can manipulate the minds of the people who follows them, we can see Elon as example where he always want the marker moves depends on his like and his influence really drag up since many people got afraid on the effects on what he is doing.

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June 25, 2021, 12:00:00 AM
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We can never hide the thing Manipulation. I can say that this the nature of the crypto investment, rich people can make such a thing in order to get a favor on the market. What going to happen with us as normal investors? We are simply riding with them and the market as well. We also buy at low and sell at high accordingly. Thought that they are only benefiting a lot, well, of course, we are also benefiting as well.

I think the time has come that we need to accept the reality inside the crypto market as possible that we can never stop this thing until forever.
Market manipulation will remain untouched forever because if they do so there would be a counter flow of the money making and I think everyone benefited the market manipulation somehow if they know how to ride with them as well. Only those greedy one's will fail because they think too much outside of the box.

If you see an opportunity to make profit do it already and stop hesitating and making a what if conclusion because market manipulation happens everytime. Buy low and sell high or HODL! That's your only role when in crypto world.

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Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

You don't need an expert to understand what's happening here, the market gets pumped as a result of many factors, one of which is the halving event that occurs every four years and a year before the market records all time high.

This happens because prior to the halving, there has already been demand of Bitcoin in the market which is called the accumulation stages where Bitcoin is been bought strategically.

The dumped comes after profit has been secured, Thai the natural routine if the market but where the price difference is very high is due to the manipulation of the market by the whale. First they create the fomo which makes the market overbought and when the corrections does occur the market gets over dumped.

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June 25, 2021, 11:59:07 AM
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He did not just drop out because of environmental problems.
1. He did not sell (not all) of the Bitcoin that Tesla owned. Even if he wanted to am sure he does not have the final say.
2. He only said Tesla stopped accepting BTC. But when they did, who bought Teslas with BTC anyway?
That so happens that whales manipulate the market and one of them is Elon Musk. But for now, I tried to forget his name and to accept that the crypto market has already in a curse of manipulation. Many of these whales just keep themselves anonymously, we don't know that some of them are government officials or known personalities.

Even though we don't like the idea of being manipulated but we know also that these people make the market alive and help the market to grow. In fact, we can't also deny that small investors are benefiting the market when there is hype happens. We are also in profit just like them.

Honestly I do not think individuals have the time to sit around and play this game so a lot of the socalled "manipulation" that people say happens is really just the market being normal. I mean, as I said,,, this is crypto. Realism from stocks and forex do not apply here. We have to expect the unrealistic to happen, but of course, people only take it for the positive side:)

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June 25, 2021, 03:00:44 PM
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Market manipulation will remain untouched forever because if they do so there would be a counter flow of the money making and I think everyone benefited the market manipulation somehow if they know how to ride with them as well. Only those greedy one's will fail because they think too much outside of the box.

If you see an opportunity to make profit do it already and stop hesitating and making a what if conclusion because market manipulation happens everytime. Buy low and sell high or HODL! That's your only role when in crypto world.
Buy low and sell High, HOLD is seemed to be optional for me. I wasn't a long-term holder, unlike the others.

Anyways, since we are already here in crypto, we have to ride those whales who manipulate the market, and we have to consider this as an opportunity but we need to wise and mindful of what we doing coz we can never hesitate for any possible losses to come. There is no point to go against these whales coz it was impossible to stop them.

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June 25, 2021, 04:35:51 PM
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From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge.
Bitcoin was dumped recently but not up to the level of beginning point of pumping; it means before the current bull run bitcoin was trading around $10k levels and along with the current dumping bitcoin never dropped below $25k levels it means if you have bought by the beginning of pumping then you never need to worry about. Moreover what I am trying to say is, this is not complete pumping and dumping scenario but pumping happened and then some corrections also have happened and nothing more.

For some outside people, bitcoin market might be looking like a complete manipulation of whales but in my opinion after many years of observations, bitcoin market is just reacting to news and events of its ecosystem and there cannot be any simple or one logic behind all market movements.
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June 25, 2021, 08:03:54 PM
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It is the reaction of those who are following celebrities, while those celebrities you're mentioning don't even have a single knowledge about crypto.
Let the price of BTC dip and take the opportunity to buy more instead. Smiley
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?
No one is an expert here but the pump/dump happens because people make money. In futures trading, you can earn via both way by opening "Long" or "Short".
Chaos happens because 95% of people have no idea why they invest in any cryptocurrency. They don't support the project but the hope that today they sleep and when they wake up in the morning, there will be some $$$ earnings on their balance. When they see a decline in price, they sell in order to avoid further loss but they don't think about the possible long-term profit from the investment.

To sum up, whales manipulate the price and make an enormous profit. They manipulate it to a point where people either start massive sell or massive buy. Then they turn the situation and profit while the highest percentage of people lose. In the ocean, fish don't eat whales, whales eat fish. Those, who follow the whale behind, may escape but those who are in front of it, have no chance.

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June 25, 2021, 10:19:26 PM
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Whales stimulate the price in order to lure other people to buy in. That’s when most of the buys come in and the price is overly inflated. Then comes the die-hards reinforcing that the price is still poised to reach X amount in order to keep others on buying more coins. A few more days or weeks from that, the whales would have already sold and dumped their coins on the market, and the cycle begins anew. At least that’s what I have observed for what’s happening within the last 7 yrs.

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June 27, 2021, 08:31:11 PM
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Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?
Not an expert by any means but I will put my views on the topic because I feel like I know something about the pump and dump that is going on for years.

First of all, the BTC market is volatile because trading happens without any data, I mean in the standard stocks market it is easy to estimate how much a particular share or asset was sold and bought but it's near impossible to calculate that in the crypto market hence the volatility.

Now, coming back to the point who causes these pumps and dumps? It's most of the time the whales like you said Elon can do it, that's true. Why they do it? Obviously to eat the capital of a nervous small trader and those who are trading with leverage or futures.

One thing you didn't ask but I feel I should answer is, how we can avoid being affected by these? By avoiding futures trading and ensuring not to panic when the market goes down. Just read about the GameStop share and how people killed those who do short selling because they just hold their shares and at a certain point, whales who did short-selling lost gigantic amount of money.

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June 27, 2021, 08:44:14 PM
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We can never hide the thing Manipulation. I can say that this the nature of the crypto investment, rich people can make such a thing in order to get a favor on the market. What going to happen with us as normal investors? We are simply riding with them and the market as well. We also buy at low and sell at high accordingly. Thought that they are only benefiting a lot, well, of course, we are also benefiting as well.

I think the time has come that we need to accept the reality inside the crypto market as possible that we can never stop this thing until forever.
If you invest in the value of the coin instead of the price of the coin, you can almost always avoid this thing. The real problem in crypto trading market is that most of the traders here are amateurs and they don't know how to react when the market doesn't move in the desired direction. They will either come to social media shouting and claiming that it's a scam or they will just accept loss and rage quit.

I see on Twitter how guys will crown Elon Musk the king when he does something that benefits traders and the same people will abuse him if he makes a single tweet that doesn't dwell well for the traders.

People have to take trading more seriously and understand that we as traders should not just trade anything and if someone makes a tweet about something, we should not go berserk about it. Another thing to remember is that market will move in both directions because the only thing that goes higher cannot be classified as a market. You have to be ready for the swings, in crypto, the swings are just higher than the usual stock market.

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June 28, 2021, 04:14:17 PM
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?
Almost everything can be explained by the supply and demand, the supply of bitcoin even if it is not fixed is very inelastic, this means that a great deal of the coins that have been mined are not really in the market as they are in the hand of holders, and since you cannot mine a lot more of it due to the fact that the rate at which new coins are created is predictable then this makes the market very volatile, then when you add that people use leverage this adds artificial demand which disappears as soon as people begin to panic creating the dumps that we see.
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June 28, 2021, 10:39:43 PM
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Whales and institutional investors is the main factor that make the price in high fluctuacion. Without them, the market with sideaway in long time without any high fluctuacion. Usually before pump the market, whales will doing first accumulation that difficult to detect it. After they did accumulation, and then ready to pump. They did it to make profit and to shake the market to trigger others investor come in to market.
Whales are indeed one of the reasons why the cryptocurrency market is being manipulated. They want to make a profit by controlling the market and making people panic about the state of the market that has been controlled by the whales. Pump and dump will happen according to their plan. Many FUDs are spread to make the market price crash and buy them cheap and then make good news to take profits. Very simple, but market manipulation like the whales must be detected so as not to get caught up in the game.

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June 29, 2021, 03:51:33 PM
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Whales are indeed one of the reasons why the cryptocurrency market is being manipulated. They want to make a profit by controlling the market and making people panic about the state of the market that has been controlled by the whales. Pump and dump will happen according to their plan. Many FUDs are spread to make the market price crash and buy them cheap and then make good news to take profits. Very simple, but market manipulation like the whales must be detected so as not to get caught up in the game.

And whales do not necessary mean one person like how people like to think either. I bet you a lot of powerful companies pool funds together to form a whale. Exchanges seem to do this very well,,, even better they use our money and pool together to manipulate the market and make us liquidate when we should not:)

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July 01, 2021, 04:39:23 PM
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Whales and institutional investors is the main factor that make the price in high fluctuacion. Without them, the market with sideaway in long time without any high fluctuacion. Usually before pump the market, whales will doing first accumulation that difficult to detect it. After they did accumulation, and then ready to pump. They did it to make profit and to shake the market to trigger others investor come in to market.
Whales are indeed one of the reasons why the cryptocurrency market is being manipulated. They want to make a profit by controlling the market and making people panic about the state of the market that has been controlled by the whales. Pump and dump will happen according to their plan. Many FUDs are spread to make the market price crash and buy them cheap and then make good news to take profits. Very simple, but market manipulation like the whales must be detected so as not to get caught up in the game.
The whales have indeed control of the market but it is not a perfect control, even they cannot move the market as they wish all the time, what they do is to create the perfect conditions for their manipulations to actually work, then when the conditions finally align they either crash or pump the market and obtain great profits with these kind of movements, is it unfair? Probably but since there is nothing we can do then we need to accept it and learn to live with those movements.
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What I noticed with Bitcoins and other Alt coins is that the market is very cyclical. It seems a bit like the prices in the stock market, just more extreme. The volatility in crypto currencies is higher than in stocks, that is also why we can make profits of a few hundred percent, whereas with stocks we are happy if we make 10-20%. As for manipulation, I don't think that its true for most of the investors.
The reason why we have such strong volatility because of so-called market manipulation. This has already existed since before, whales are playing tricks and make a huge profit but somehow, this also gives us the opportunity to ride with them and take some share with the whales. It really becoming unpredictable because nobody tells us what they gonna do next and for the fact that some are selling and buying, that it adds more movement to the price.

I'd never think that manipulation is bad but for me, even though the risk is high, it helps me to generate profit unlike if we just have a stable market.

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July 02, 2021, 12:57:48 PM
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?


I am not an expert, like you I have been involved with Bitcoins for a few years now and this my second pump and dump cycle I lived through. What I noticed with Bitcoins and other Alt coins is that the market is very cyclical. It seems a bit like the prices in the stock market, just more extreme. The volatility in crypto currencies is higher than in stocks, that is also why we can make profits of a few hundred percent, whereas with stocks we are happy if we make 10-20%. As for manipulation, I don't think that its true for most of the investors.
manipulation as I see it is only temporary, so we should be able to make good use of it. I think if we have a lot of capital and a lot of followers then we will be able to manipulate it or pump it. and it is very possible here to profit hundreds of percent in a short time is different from stocks, but we need to remember that the risk is also greater in cryptocurrencies
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manipulation as I see it is only temporary, so we should be able to make good use of it. I think if we have a lot of capital and a lot of followers then we will be able to manipulate it or pump it. and it is very possible here to profit hundreds of percent in a short time is different from stocks, but we need to remember that the risk is also greater in cryptocurrencies
That is wrong because manipulation is sustaining and has been happening already since before and even in the stock market, it has existed before you know it.
Whether we like it or not, whales and those who are capable of doing this will continue as their game plan. Many had to look at this as a bad thing but we can't deny also that we are sometimes taking this as an opportunity to make some money.

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We should also be able to take advantage of opportunities when Whales start playing the market. Don't fight them, follow them then we will be safe. Going against the tide when the whales manipulate the market will only result in losses. They hold the market and are able to control it.

The manipulation that whales do is not just manipulation, but they can do manipulation with the right time and conditions.

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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?


I am not an expert, like you I have been involved with Bitcoins for a few years now and this my second pump and dump cycle I lived through. What I noticed with Bitcoins and other Alt coins is that the market is very cyclical. It seems a bit like the prices in the stock market, just more extreme. The volatility in crypto currencies is higher than in stocks, that is also why we can make profits of a few hundred percent, whereas with stocks we are happy if we make 10-20%. As for manipulation, I don't think that its true for most of the investors.
manipulation as I see it is only temporary, so we should be able to make good use of it. I think if we have a lot of capital and a lot of followers then we will be able to manipulate it or pump it. and it is very possible here to profit hundreds of percent in a short time is different from stocks, but we need to remember that the risk is also greater in cryptocurrencies
Even is it is only temporary it does not change the fact that it can have lasting effects on the market, the whales may exercise their manipulation for only a day and not only they can make the market to go down this is more than enough to keep it there for a long time, this in my opinion is exactly what we are seeing now as the whales are getting cheap coins and the only thing they need to do for the price to not go up is to buy those coins slowly, and this does not take into account all the people that lost all their money due to the extreme movement we saw in the market.
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Up and down its part of business , same in trading pump and dump is a part of trading, but as you are telling about bitcoin, this time its all due to big hands and big whales , they are manipulating market for their own profit and loss , they dump market to entre in dip and then pump to take profit and exit and also depends on market sentiment like news, when good news come market pump and when bad news come market dump , last time market dump due to cirona situation and this time due to big hands like elon musk, whic has great role in the current dump and also some china fud come which effect bitcoin and hence a big dump happen.

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July 06, 2021, 07:29:23 PM
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Market manipulation is a almost a dream. If you know the amount of money we are talking about in crypto,then you disregard the idea immediately. Its practically impossible to manipulate

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We should also be able to take advantage of opportunities when Whales start playing the market. Don't fight them, follow them then we will be safe. Going against the tide when the whales manipulate the market will only result in losses. They hold the market and are able to control it.

The manipulation that whales do is not just manipulation, but they can do manipulation with the right time and conditions.
Just to ride and let them hype the market. If they can make a profit thru manipulation, we are also benefiting from them.
If there is no such manipulation that had taken place made by whales, I don't know if there is a bull market, that might be a straight direction.

I think we are too thankful, whales are helping us to make a good profit and also encouraging people to come and join the community as they have the chance to make some profit as well like what happens to early investors. They might look bad to others but for me, they are a helping tool.
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We should also be able to take advantage of opportunities when Whales start playing the market. Don't fight them, follow them then we will be safe. Going against the tide when the whales manipulate the market will only result in losses. They hold the market and are able to control it.

The manipulation that whales do is not just manipulation, but they can do manipulation with the right time and conditions.
Just to ride and let them hype the market. If they can make a profit thru manipulation, we are also benefiting from them.
If there is no such manipulation that had taken place made by whales, I don't know if there is a bull market, that might be a straight direction.

I think we are too thankful, whales are helping us to make a good profit and also encouraging people to come and join the community as they have the chance to make some profit as well like what happens to early investors. They might look bad to others but for me, they are a helping tool.
right, with this manipulation, many people will benefit, although there are also many people who cry, but that is the world of trading. when a bullrun occurs, there will be many new investors who are interested, on the other hand the old investors partially benefit from the incident and they make big profits. so I think this is what becomes interesting in the crypto world

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right, with this manipulation, many people will benefit, although there are also many people who cry, but that is the world of trading. when a bullrun occurs, there will be many new investors who are interested, on the other hand the old investors partially benefit from the incident and they make big profits. so I think this is what becomes interesting in the crypto world

As I said before above,,, it is not manipulation from whales as we think they are, but from exchanges mainly who have large amounts of crypto thanks to people who deposit there and leave it there. Name that is us and speculators who just deposit and leave crypto in exchange wallets.

So if they cry,,, they should realize they are partly to blame for making this manipulation possible:)

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We should also be able to take advantage of opportunities when Whales start playing the market. Don't fight them, follow them then we will be safe. Going against the tide when the whales manipulate the market will only result in losses. They hold the market and are able to control it.

The manipulation that whales do is not just manipulation, but they can do manipulation with the right time and conditions.
Exactly, glad that someone knows how to cope positively to the manipulation of the whales and how to profit, a lot of the people here have the same negative sentiment towards whales manipulation when they can make a money out of it if they know what they are doing.

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Market manipulation is a almost a dream. If you know the amount of money we are talking about in crypto,then you disregard the idea immediately. Its practically impossible to manipulate


You are too naive, exchanges can collude and manipulate the price, whales can manipulate the price after all they do not even need fiat to crash the market since they can do it with bitcoin, bitcoin they got for an incredibly cheap price, institutional investors can do it, even retail investors can do it if they collude as we have seen in the stock market, so the price can be manipulated with an orchestrated campaign of powerful individuals whether you like it or not.
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

Actually it happened repeatedly to get some investment. After reaching all time high, many new traders will get into the trading.After some huge investment, the will reduced 20 percentage from all time high.By believe of again it happens, we keep on investing our money.This is to get huge profit at the pump.

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July 07, 2021, 10:56:08 PM
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Market manipulation is a almost a dream. If you know the amount of money we are talking about in crypto,then you disregard the idea immediately. Its practically impossible to manipulate


You are too naive, exchanges can collude and manipulate the price, whales can manipulate the price after all they do not even need fiat to crash the market since they can do it with bitcoin, bitcoin they got for an incredibly cheap price, institutional investors can do it, even retail investors can do it if they collude as we have seen in the stock market, so the price can be manipulated with an orchestrated campaign of powerful individuals whether you like it or not.
Really proves out that this man hadnt any idea on what he's been talking and when it comes to manipulation then it is somewhat already a typical thing not only on crypto market but on traditional markets
that we know. There would always be a tendency because there would be always those people or institutions who do likes to stay on the top and it might not really be that too evident or obvious
but you know its there. The way on how market reacts on news then it is something a good point on where you can presume that manipulation could really happen in these times.
Solution? you should know on how to ride with the waves.

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Although the entry time is not long, according to my opinion during this period, under a series of factors between Musk and China, there will be panic selling in the market. This is human nature, subconsciously minimize their losses. This was also what I thought in my mind at the beginning, which eventually led to a big drop. This should not be true. Those who truly possess wealth will hold it for a long time, unshakable.
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Market manipulation is repeated with emotion, psychology and the crowd repeat what they do many times. 90% of people in the crowd don't change and they are target of influencers and manipulators.
This reminds me of an old man named Pareto who accidentally discovered a miraculous phenomenon: 80% of social wealth is owned by 20% of people, while the remaining 80% only owns 20% of wealth. This is the famous "Pareto Law", also known as the " the 80-20 rule".
In the crypto world, only a few people are the ultimate winners. Cool
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?
Its not easy as you think since the total marketcap of bitcoin even crossed 1 Trillion if I am not wrong so to manipulate the price of bitcoin the user who wants to manipulate should sell or buy few thousands of Bitcoin to create the price change.

The price manipulation is not only exist in cryptocurrencies, even in stocks the company itself boost their stock values with fake expenses and profit making records to create hype and sell them for profits.









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July 08, 2021, 02:13:40 PM
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The price manipulation is not only exist in cryptocurrencies, even in stocks the company itself boost their stock values with fake expenses and profit making records to create hype and sell them for profits.
And this is a normal event that we able to see in the market. Whether we like it or not, that will remain on the market and just for us who will accept the way it is.
But on the other side, we suffer losses, not because of the said manipulation and whales, it gonna be our fault instead. If we are keen enough to listen and carefully analyze the market, we can still be at loss but not much. Buy low and sell high, if we can make this a habit, I don't think that we gonna lose.
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?
Its not easy as you think since the total marketcap of bitcoin even crossed 1 Trillion if I am not wrong so to manipulate the price of bitcoin the user who wants to manipulate should sell or buy few thousands of Bitcoin to create the price change.

The price manipulation is not only exist in cryptocurrencies, even in stocks the company itself boost their stock values with fake expenses and profit making records to create hype and sell them for profits.
Manipulation would really be there neither you do engage with cryptocurrency market or with stocks or forex markets which turns out to be a casual thing to happen since there would be people/institutions who would be always on the top of the game or always ahead due to financial capacity.

It might not be proven out specially on a decentralized market but its quite evident and bit obvious anytime there would be some pump and dump in price and we cant determine on whats the actual
reason on the said price movement.

The only thing we can do is to speculate and presume out things in the end but basing on the extent of possible price manipulation then it is something not an easy thing
since Bitcoin market is already getting huge.

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Market manipulation is repeated with emotion, psychology and the crowd repeat what they do many times. 90% of people in the crowd don't change and they are target of influencers and manipulators.
This reminds me of an old man named Pareto who accidentally discovered a miraculous phenomenon: 80% of social wealth is owned by 20% of people, while the remaining 80% only owns 20% of wealth. This is the famous "Pareto Law", also known as the " the 80-20 rule".
In the crypto world, only a few people are the ultimate winners. Cool
The surprising thing about the Pareto rule is that it applies to everything, not only is present in the distribution of wealth, scientists discovered that it is also present in the universe and it seems to be almost like a natural law, which is why people need to be realistic when they trade, the chances they will win are small and if they do not make any effort like studying the markets for a few months then their chances to earn money while they trade is zero, which means they will be subject to the manipulators that can move this market as they want.
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July 13, 2021, 02:34:21 PM
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I don't consider myself a cryptocurrency expert, but I also noticed that there is some manipulation of cryptocurrency prices going on. In my opinion, this can happen for several reasons, for example, in order to raise the price of BTC even higher. We know that the price of cryptocurrencies cannot constantly grow, and in order to promote growth, you need to periodically lower the price, for example, for BTC, and thereby, as it were, showing that the price is lower than it was before, but this will soon change and the price will go even higher. This scheme is already working and successful, and I believe that it was thanks to it that BTC was able to reach the price of $ 60,000 and this is not the limit.
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I don't consider myself a cryptocurrency expert, but I also noticed that there is some manipulation of cryptocurrency prices going on. In my opinion, this can happen for several reasons, for example, in order to raise the price of BTC even higher. We know that the price of cryptocurrencies cannot constantly grow, and in order to promote growth, you need to periodically lower the price, for example, for BTC, and thereby, as it were, showing that the price is lower than it was before, but this will soon change and the price will go even higher. This scheme is already working and successful, and I believe that it was thanks to it that BTC was able to reach the price of $ 60,000 and this is not the limit.
Unfortunately that is true in everything at life. I have seen even the food become that way, I have seen cities become that way, I have seen products be that way, it is seriously like that for most things in life. For example once upon a time in history I owned a shop, it wasn't really a big thing, but 20% of the products I sold were the 80% of my income and kept getting sold, and then 80% of the other products were the 20% of the income, it was a few 3-5% different but close to that. Life has so many 80-20 rule that you wouldn't believe it.

At the end of the day just focus on what you can do with this information and in your regular life you will pick up these things and realize them early on and end up making profit that way. I personally try to see that in everything, in trading as well and in investing mainly and it helped me a lot, that is why 80% of my money is in 20% of my portfolio whereas 20% of my money is in 20% of my portfolio.
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Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?
Just look at the chart, same pattern applies on the previous history of pump and dump of btc price. It's really surprising to see, and I believed we're about to see more opportunities coming. That's sounds unpredictable, but we need to be determined in order to become successful within the long periods of time.
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July 14, 2021, 09:51:44 PM
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Market manipulation is repeated with emotion, psychology and the crowd repeat what they do many times. 90% of people in the crowd don't change and they are target of influencers and manipulators.
This reminds me of an old man named Pareto who accidentally discovered a miraculous phenomenon: 80% of social wealth is owned by 20% of people, while the remaining 80% only owns 20% of wealth. This is the famous "Pareto Law", also known as the " the 80-20 rule".
In the crypto world, only a few people are the ultimate winners. Cool
And the sad reality is that the 20% available to the 80% of people is being slowly taken away by the 20% who own 80% of the wealth.

Let's understand things a bit to see what's happening.

Whales have a massive amount of money and they want to juice out some more from the smaller fishes. The only way to do this is by creating a tension in the ocean that water is soon going to be dried and people will move out of the ocean may survive and a lot of small fish will move out. This is what actually happens in the crypto market as well. Once small traders (fish) feel the market is crashing, they will sell their coins at loss and exit the market making the whale traders even richer and stronger than before.

The small traders who hold strong become bigger and the game continues until either the whale is broken into pieces just like what happened with the GameStop saga or the small traders bleed out to death.

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The reason for the pump and dump in the market by market manipulators is that there's no way to enforce a regulation since it's a decentralized market after all meaning that everyone can do what they are doing if they have the money without any consequences. A little price to pay for decentralized market.
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The reason for the pump and dump in the market by market manipulators is that there's no way to enforce a regulation since it's a decentralized market after all meaning that everyone can do what they are doing if they have the money without any consequences. A little price to pay for decentralized market.
right, everyone can do it, as long as they have big capital and a loyal community. Moreover, if he is a person who has a strong influence, so that many followers will follow his words, from here he can facilitate his actions to encourage the realization of these goals. Their main goal I believe is to earn big profits, and they don't seem to care about the development of cryptocurrencies

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July 16, 2021, 07:01:18 PM
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The main reason bitcoin gets a pump and dump is that wealthy people love to get into things and take control of it, so they do not like it when they get into something and we all have power to change the price, if we want it to go up but they do not want it? They will end up dropping the price no matter how much it costs them, which is why I think they manipulate the market not just because they can, but because they really want to, it is a power thing for them.

Think about it you are a billionaire, you have a lot of money and then some very poor people end up together and destroy your money? That is just not going to be accepted by them. Look at what WSB subreddit did to companies like Citadel, they just destroyed it yet Citadel just keeps going, even while mathematically known that they will lose, they still end up doing it over and over again.

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July 17, 2021, 01:15:08 PM
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The main reason bitcoin gets a pump and dump is that wealthy people love to get into things and take control of it, so they do not like it when they get into something and we all have power to change the price, if we want it to go up but they do not want it? They will end up dropping the price no matter how much it costs them, which is why I think they manipulate the market not just because they can, but because they really want to, it is a power thing for them.
First, people thinking BTC will reach $100K as the OP said is a dream that wont come true and I have said before though it can happen in the next halving.

Yes, it a power thing for the wealthy people to make profit for themselves but if the wealthy did not join the crypto investment, common people will also manipulate the market so it not proper for us to blame the whales or institutional investors for manipulating the market and what we ought to do is make use of their decision to profit ourselves because the problem of manipulation happen through the market been a subject of speculation.


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July 18, 2021, 05:55:59 PM
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First, people thinking BTC will reach $100K as the OP said is a dream that wont come true and I have said before though it can happen in the next halving.

Yes, it a power thing for the wealthy people to make profit for themselves but if the wealthy did not join the crypto investment, common people will also manipulate the market so it not proper for us to blame the whales or institutional investors for manipulating the market and what we ought to do is make use of their decision to profit ourselves because the problem of manipulation happen through the market been a subject of speculation.
Waaaaay before whales came in to play, waaaay before all these Elon Musk and all that, didn't we have manipulation? We still had a lot of it, we have seen crypto rich people to manipulate the markets like crazy. Hell just before the BCH thing price moved from 700 to 3k+ and after that it became 20k, and right during BCH vs BSV fight the price reached to 3.5k, so they were capable of making it go up, and make it go down at the same time, they had that power, these are crypto whales and they were controlling the market. What happened? We ended up buying more and more and we allowed them to manipulate us.

Now, there are fiat whales who are getting interested and they are manipulating, let them manipulate, the market is great and we are making a great profit whenever it goes up, whatever happens between bulls are what sellers should care about, I only accumulate so I don't mind.
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July 19, 2021, 03:03:13 PM
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First, people thinking BTC will reach $100K as the OP said is a dream that wont come true and I have said before though it can happen in the next halving.

Yes, it a power thing for the wealthy people to make profit for themselves but if the wealthy did not join the crypto investment, common people will also manipulate the market so it not proper for us to blame the whales or institutional investors for manipulating the market and what we ought to do is make use of their decision to profit ourselves because the problem of manipulation happen through the market been a subject of speculation.
Waaaaay before whales came in to play, waaaay before all these Elon Musk and all that, didn't we have manipulation? We still had a lot of it, we have seen crypto rich people to manipulate the markets like crazy. Hell just before the BCH thing price moved from 700 to 3k+ and after that it became 20k, and right during BCH vs BSV fight the price reached to 3.5k, so they were capable of making it go up, and make it go down at the same time, they had that power, these are crypto whales and they were controlling the market. What happened? We ended up buying more and more and we allowed them to manipulate us.

Now, there are fiat whales who are getting interested and they are manipulating, let them manipulate, the market is great and we are making a great profit whenever it goes up, whatever happens between bulls are what sellers should care about, I only accumulate so I don't mind.
Whales manipulation is something we can do nothing about it but use it as a weapon for our own gain.

If you understand my point very well, you will see that I have once said the problem was the market been a content of speculation and right before the existence of Elon etc in the crypto market we have already had some whales that market price manipulate although whales may not be rank as whales now.

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July 25, 2021, 09:10:29 AM
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...Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

Institutional investors receive such a profit on the cryptocurrency market that it is impossible to get on the stock exchange, due to the fact that it is regulated. Here they can dump and pump any coin with impunity, which allows them to buy at a low price and sell at a high price.

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July 25, 2021, 09:58:50 AM
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First, people thinking BTC will reach $100K as the OP said is a dream that wont come true and I have said before though it can happen in the next halving.

Yes, it a power thing for the wealthy people to make profit for themselves but if the wealthy did not join the crypto investment, common people will also manipulate the market so it not proper for us to blame the whales or institutional investors for manipulating the market and what we ought to do is make use of their decision to profit ourselves because the problem of manipulation happen through the market been a subject of speculation.
Waaaaay before whales came in to play, waaaay before all these Elon Musk and all that, didn't we have manipulation? We still had a lot of it, we have seen crypto rich people to manipulate the markets like crazy. Hell just before the BCH thing price moved from 700 to 3k+ and after that it became 20k, and right during BCH vs BSV fight the price reached to 3.5k, so they were capable of making it go up, and make it go down at the same time, they had that power, these are crypto whales and they were controlling the market. What happened? We ended up buying more and more and we allowed them to manipulate us.

Now, there are fiat whales who are getting interested and they are manipulating, let them manipulate, the market is great and we are making a great profit whenever it goes up, whatever happens between bulls are what sellers should care about, I only accumulate so I don't mind.
Whales manipulation is something we can do nothing about it but use it as a weapon for our own gain.

If you understand my point very well, you will see that I have once said the problem was the market been a content of speculation and right before the existence of Elon etc in the crypto market we have already had some whales that market price manipulate although whales may not be rank as whales now.

It is very difficult for us to stop whales, because whales have a lot of money, so it is very easy for whales to manipulate the market. Therefore
we often see coins that do not have a clear function suddenly pump, or some new projects that suddenly rise very high once they are listed
on exchanges. Whales do like to play with small investors, in order to make a profit. Therefore, we should not panic easily when the price drops
suddenly, maybe if there is no FUD it's whales who do it. Likewise with coins that suddenly rise even though there is no good news, the whales
did it too. We must be careful when investing, always do research and analysis before deciding to enter the market.

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July 25, 2021, 07:10:36 PM
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Price manipulation occurs in both small and major currencies, with some instances involving a single market participant.
In all cases of “dump and pump” events involving Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies, spot volumes rise above the average seen on exchanges. The price of cryptocurrency drops or rises rapidly as a result of the occurrences.
After investing in cryptocurrencies, investors may see huge trades on exchanges with "thin books," or exchanges with little liquidity, where a large amount of cryptocurrency is completed.
This is a sign that market manipulation is taking place in order for investors to profit quickly. By selling large amounts of assets on the spot market, manipulators take advantage of the thin order book.

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July 26, 2021, 07:55:30 AM
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This is only a cycle on crypto so need to stress. You can utilize tradingview to quantify the volume of siphon versus the landfill since the bull run start, You will see there that the sum practically close which support my theory. My point is that you can't have a clue about the expectations of individuals who are selling or purchasing anytime, consequently you can't clarify dumps or siphons.


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July 26, 2021, 03:36:15 PM
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First, people thinking BTC will reach $100K as the OP said is a dream that wont come true and I have said before though it can happen in the next halving.

Yes, it a power thing for the wealthy people to make profit for themselves but if the wealthy did not join the crypto investment, common people will also manipulate the market so it not proper for us to blame the whales or institutional investors for manipulating the market and what we ought to do is make use of their decision to profit ourselves because the problem of manipulation happen through the market been a subject of speculation.
Waaaaay before whales came in to play, waaaay before all these Elon Musk and all that, didn't we have manipulation? We still had a lot of it, we have seen crypto rich people to manipulate the markets like crazy. Hell just before the BCH thing price moved from 700 to 3k+ and after that it became 20k, and right during BCH vs BSV fight the price reached to 3.5k, so they were capable of making it go up, and make it go down at the same time, they had that power, these are crypto whales and they were controlling the market. What happened? We ended up buying more and more and we allowed them to manipulate us.

Now, there are fiat whales who are getting interested and they are manipulating, let them manipulate, the market is great and we are making a great profit whenever it goes up, whatever happens between bulls are what sellers should care about, I only accumulate so I don't mind.
Whales manipulation is something we can do nothing about it but use it as a weapon for our own gain.

If you understand my point very well, you will see that I have once said the problem was the market been a content of speculation and right before the existence of Elon etc in the crypto market we have already had some whales that market price manipulate although whales may not be rank as whales now.
It is very difficult for us to stop whales,
It is not possible to stop the whales and either will like it or not the whales are needed in the market.


Therefore
we often see coins that do not have a clear function suddenly pump, or some new projects that suddenly rise very high once they are listed
on exchanges.
It not very coin that experience suddenly pump after exchange listing happen through market manipulation or done by the whales.

Whales do like to play with small investors, in order to make a profit.
We can't say they play with small investors by cashing out their profits but most small investors are too lazy because about 96% of them are inexperienced.

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July 26, 2021, 11:17:06 PM
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It is very difficult for us to stop whales,
It is not possible to stop the whales and either will like it or not the whales are needed in the market.


Therefore
we often see coins that do not have a clear function suddenly pump, or some new projects that suddenly rise very high once they are listed
on exchanges.
It not very coin that experience suddenly pump after exchange listing happen through market manipulation or done by the whales.

Whales do like to play with small investors, in order to make a profit.
We can't say they play with small investors by cashing out their profits but most small investors are too lazy because about 96% of them are inexperienced.

This is why it is important to learn a lot when deciding to invest in cryptocurrencies, because a lot of manipulation occurs in the crypto world.
And that's why cryptocurrency prices are so volatile, no wonder even professional traders never stop learning, although he proved successful
in generating large profits. Because the changing trend in crypto is quite fast and we have to be able to deal with it. I agree that most small
investors are lazy to learn and inexperienced, they only expect signals from other people. Therefore, many small investors ended up
experiencing losses.

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July 28, 2021, 06:36:46 PM
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It is very difficult for us to stop whales,
It is not possible to stop the whales and either will like it or not the whales are needed in the market.


Therefore
we often see coins that do not have a clear function suddenly pump, or some new projects that suddenly rise very high once they are listed
on exchanges.
It not very coin that experience suddenly pump after exchange listing happen through market manipulation or done by the whales.

Whales do like to play with small investors, in order to make a profit.
We can't say they play with small investors by cashing out their profits but most small investors are too lazy because about 96% of them are inexperienced.

This is why it is important to learn a lot when deciding to invest in cryptocurrencies, because a lot of manipulation occurs in the crypto world.
And that's why cryptocurrency prices are so volatile, no wonder even professional traders never stop learning, although he proved successful
in generating large profits. Because the changing trend in crypto is quite fast and we have to be able to deal with it. I agree that most small
investors are lazy to learn and inexperienced, they only expect signals from other people. Therefore, many small investors ended up
experiencing losses.
Cryptocurrency being a subject of speculation and its trend is determined by the level of demand and supply are the reason why volatile, so I won't blame anyone for manipulating the market. This is the reason why every trend showcase by the market provides a new experience to professional traders.
Which why naive and newbies are advised to seek knowledge first because crypto is not for lazy people.

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August 01, 2021, 11:50:39 PM
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Logic is always in the money. The crypto market is very young and extremely volatile, it is obvious that here, having large funds, you can find a whole field for manipulation.
Look how the exchanges play dirty, knock out stops in one direction or another, liquidate a huge number of positions. What for? Money.
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August 20, 2021, 04:00:51 PM
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As in trading most of the cases are due to the news, when some great trader make a tweet about the coins it is pump, and another way is that when a great investors invest in that coin it is pumped. So, we can predict the coins prices only but we can't say anything 100% that it would definitely reach to its price that we had predicted.

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Cryptocurrency being a subject of speculation and its trend is determined by the level of demand and supply are the reason why volatile, so I won't blame anyone for manipulating the market. This is the reason why every trend showcase by the market provides a new experience to professional traders.
Which why naive and newbies are advised to seek knowledge first because crypto is not for lazy people.

It is definitely the supply and demand why the pumps and dumps are happening in the market. It cannot be blamed to anyone because supply and demand are affected by the quantity of coins, the capacity and decisions of all participants in the market where such decisions can be influenced by trends, influencers or any other available information. Thus, market manipulation in this case is subject to our submission to the aforementioned.

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October 10, 2021, 09:00:09 PM
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The point is to create the impression and all the conditions so that as many people as possible would want to part with their bitcoins due to fear, and then, having bought them, drive the price up, creating another excitement and fear of a different kind that people will not have time to jump into the last carriage, fear of lost profits.




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October 11, 2021, 12:17:30 PM
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Bitcoin is solid and the volatility been experienced is as a result of human factors!  The greed and fear is big component of trading and as such,  it can not  be regulated nor control!  There are whale who control the market as well as Cryptocurrency is a decentralized market which is the main attraction for those that want such a market. 

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