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June 25, 2021, 02:36:44 PM
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Exit scamming strategy is exist in every field, so when a company earned lot of reputation and made enough money for their future then they can scam people by closing their business but in real world its not possible since we know the company owners so the laws of our country will punish them.

That doesn't make sense.
Exit scamming when your business is booming?
Man, If my business is earning a lot of reputation and generate good income why would I risk the long term income over a limited amount of money that has been put by clients to your business.

Because a scammer doesn't think about the long term, a scammer who already has the profit (theft) equivalent of one or two years of income with honest service in his hands, prefers to strike immediately and use a good part of that amount to invest in the next scam, reopen the site with a different name and layout to attack again.
Understood? In no time did he stop "working" he only uses a criminal means to leverage income in a less risky way in an already saturated market.

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June 25, 2021, 02:45:32 PM
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Unfortunately, nowadays black PR is used in many areas and gambling is no exception. It is important to understand that no casino that values its reputation will not deceive the player, as the reputation losses are hundreds of times greater than the profits from the deception. Do not believe any of the reviews that have no evidence and check all the information yourself.
Existing reviews will certainly help other users to judge how good the reputation of the gambling site is, but of course these reviews should not be a reference for us to trust 100% of the site, because after all nowadays many fake reviews are deliberately made by some sites to show as if their site is better and gets a lot of trust from other people, for me personally I prefer to join a site that already has evidence of how good their service is to users so far and usually trusted gambling sites don't use reviews as their means to get trust from new users but prioritize service to users.

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June 25, 2021, 02:47:27 PM
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Exit scamming strategy is exist in every field, so when a company earned lot of reputation and made enough money for their future then they can scam people by closing their business but in real world its not possible since we know the company owners so the laws of our country will punish them.

That doesn't make sense.
Exit scamming when your business is booming?
Man, If my business is earning a lot of reputation and generate good income why would I risk the long term income over a limited amount of money that has been put by clients to your business.


When a company is at its peak and lot of people started to invest on the company means they will make more money than they expected, not everyone will scam but one who started a company with the mindset of exit scamming will do that at the perfect time.









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June 25, 2021, 02:59:45 PM
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But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies  protect themselves if not terms and conditions?


there must be mediation first to maintain the reputation of gambling on an ongoing basis. So far, the mediation method has not been implemented in several gambling sites, even bookies are reluctant to agree to the mediation process. that's what we have to emphasize.
Usually the bookies negotiate when they want to commit fraud to their team. so the reputation of the gambler disappears and comes with a new name accompanied by a different reputation value.

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June 25, 2021, 03:14:06 PM
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For a business to build a reputation, it takes a lot of money and time to be invested to achieve this through marketing, brand awareness and all other activities.

But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies  protect themselves if not terms and conditions?

If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business,  what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?

I think what you wrote should not be a question but a fact. I am sure that even on this forum there are users who are paid to denigrate competing projects. Very often I see accusations that are unsupported by any evidence, but if a lie is repeated many times, many people are able to believe it. Therefore, we should always be careful in our judgments.
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June 25, 2021, 04:46:36 PM
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For a business to build a reputation, it takes a lot of money and time to be invested to achieve this through marketing, brand awareness and all other activities.
Yes, it does take a lot of time. You won't get results overnight. It takes a lot of patience and hard work to see the results. You won't be making any profit at the beginning, but in the long run, if you are doing good, you will make some decent profit.
But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies  protect themselves if not terms and conditions?
If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business,  what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?
And this why they scam people. They want to get rich real quick. The only way to do it for them is to spend some money to gain peoples trust and then scam 10x of whatever they invested and runaway. They then come back with a new identity and scam people again. Unfortunately, people keep on still falling for the scams despite being warned numerous times.

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If they do marketing and promotion well then I'm sure they won't do anything negative because after all, the long-established reputation will take priority. It's different if over the years they haven't done everything well, then of course they will easily sacrifice their reputation by thinking it will be fine but unfortunately, that is not good in the long run. Therefore, I believe those who have succeeded and continue to do well so far, will not do anything to worry about because after all, any kind of competition will surely be able to pass well with great struggles and efforts.

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June 25, 2021, 06:36:58 PM
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For a business to build a reputation, it takes a lot of money and time to be invested to achieve this through marketing, brand awareness and all other activities.

But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies  protect themselves if not terms and conditions?

If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business,  what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?

It is extremely hard to distinguish and there are many reasons that a business can go bad. Trying to classify a plethora of unique circumstances is a bad idea, ultimately it comes down to poor decisions for specific individuals. For the example you gave of buying reviews, it is often the case that purchased reviews will pay off - even if they are a very deceitful way of attracting new customers. If people don't do a lot of digging or objectively look into different review sites then they can be heavily abused. People might not even look at the reviews but get a general idea from a 4 out of 5 star rating which shows up in Google search that a website is to an acceptable standard and somewhat trustworthy. On the flip side, often times many people who leave very negative 1 star reviews can do it out of spite even if the casino is very fair, nobody likes losing money after all. Very few winners tend to go out of their way to leave very positive reviews but losers want to warn everyone away.

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It can be their ulterior motive. A business can build its reputation easily within less than a year to be trusted and have their own budget for building it.
But if they have a strategy that they want to scam people, that's what they do if they get sums of money already from their players.

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It can be their ulterior motive. A business can build its reputation easily within less than a year to be trusted and have their own budget for building it.
But if they have a strategy that they want to scam people, that's what they do if they get sums of money already from their players.
Building a reputation in a year is easy to trade with what they would get to their victims funds that's why they chose the easiest way yet dangerous. But, can a blooming business would turn to their clients like that? I doubt about that but maybe for those still new yet gaining a lot of reputation because of their shady strategy that sooner or later will prevail their intent.

Scammers are doing everything the best way  they can to cover their tracks to avoid suspicion yet with their shady behavior you know they were up to something so that should be a red flag already to never trust them.

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June 25, 2021, 07:23:15 PM
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If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business,  what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?
I think if a company maintain good products and services, the reputation will be there and will be difficult to be tarnished. It will not be easy for someone to use a means to get people to tarnish a company just like that, all he will want is to just try and compete. Know that if the company is reputed and strong, it will find its way out to reveal the truth.or even providing what could make people like more of the company, but there is nothing impossible though.

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June 25, 2021, 07:34:38 PM
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But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them?  

Well there are two type of business, one which are built for long term and they don't do things which compromise trust. They are the ones who knows reputation is built over time and is most important thing for the business to grow.
Second type of business are those whom motive is to gain short term profit and they don't mind if their trust is lost, as long as they can gain quick profit.
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June 25, 2021, 07:58:27 PM
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It can be their ulterior motive. A business can build its reputation easily within less than a year to be trusted and have their own budget for building it.
But if they have a strategy that they want to scam people, that's what they do if they get sums of money already from their players.
Building a reputation in a year is easy to trade with what they would get to their victims funds that's why they chose the easiest way yet dangerous. But, can a blooming business would turn to their clients like that? I doubt about that but maybe for those still new yet gaining a lot of reputation because of their shady strategy that sooner or later will prevail their intent.

Scammers are doing everything the best way  they can to cover their tracks to avoid suspicion yet with their shady behavior you know they were up to something so that should be a red flag already to never trust them.
Yes, they will surely be prevailed if their intention isn't good. Sometimes it only takes time to build rapport to their customers and reputation and all of the sudden, a change will come if the main intention is bad.
But for those casinos that doesn't have bad intention, they'll show themselves how good they are despite not being popular. Since most of the casinos have started from the bottom with the same start and it's just about how they'll continue to make their casinos known.

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June 25, 2021, 09:20:34 PM
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For a business to build a reputation, it takes a lot of money and time to be invested to achieve this through marketing, brand awareness and all other activities.

But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies  protect themselves if not terms and conditions?

Amid the site's popularity, being well-established and profitable, sometimes there are things that can't be controlled "inside" that can lead to unusual behaviour, slowly turning into sh*t, being irresponsible etc.

The question of why those sites after being turned into famous turned into sh*t doesn't have any accurate answer since we don't know what happened in the team's environment inside or what triggers them to do it.

For new to the industry that only last a bit in their business it's obvious that they are just here to scam*. But for those who already built their name then began making some trash behaviour, there is something we don't know. That's why a basic rule of thumb, reputable or not, always understand the risk of using a third party service.

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June 25, 2021, 09:36:57 PM
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For a business to build a reputation, it takes a lot of money and time to be invested to achieve this through marketing, brand awareness and all other activities.

But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies  protect themselves if not terms and conditions?
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Amid the site's popularity, being well-established and profitable, sometimes there are things that can't be controlled "inside" that can lead to unusual behaviour, slowly turning into sh*t, being irresponsible etc.

Well, there are too many gambling sites that have become like this, they are good from the start but later on, they will slowly be changed and turning into unprofessional ones. What is the root of this problem, perhaps the owners are tired and want make profit quickly or they don't have a ROI on their business because not all of these kinds of business ahs been succeeded and get higher ROI, most them will perhaps have to lose like for example on the house edge budget allocation will perhaps become low? So there are too many factors a gambling site becomes shit.









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June 25, 2021, 09:44:28 PM
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But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them?
because they cant continue anymore ? it could be lacking of funds or they have gained a bad reputations before but they havent fix it and it adds up .
a gambling business should fix any issues they experience as early as possible even if it small because small issues is the start and can grow if ignored . if they lack funds they should surrender or accept defeat in a profesional way .
its better to be remembered for having a good service than to be remembered because your a scammer
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If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business,  what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?

Buying reviews is just a marketing strategy! It's all about to be seen... to have exposure! And I am fine with that, it's on us to find a reliable source of info... to not believe in anything at first sight, we need to know how to check things!

About that other thing "what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitor's reputation"... we have many examples of that here on the forum! Check the official thread of any casino here and you will find some newbies trying to do exactly that! And in most cases without any proofs! But they can't (or anyone else) ruin a good reputation without valid evidence, proofs... they just bother us!

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June 25, 2021, 09:49:53 PM
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For a business to build a reputation, it takes a lot of money and time to be invested to achieve this through marketing, brand awareness and all other activities.

But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies  protect themselves if not terms and conditions?

If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business,  what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?
It takes years and lots of efforts on building reputation specially for a business and this is why you would really be spending lots of resources and time
for you to attain it but doesnt mean that it would be guarantee that you would really be known or get on what you do anticipated for.

Most of the time if there are some accusations made out then the community wont really be that too judgemental on making out decisions that doesnt have
sufficient evidence or proof for such accusation.

It is a bit normal that there would be some tarnishing out of other business reputation on illegal ways or immoral manner which it isnt something new or
shall we say a bit traditional because competition is really very feirce and if someone do see that the other one is slowly climbing up then they would just basically trying to destroy it but somehow the community isnt blind on making direct judgements.

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June 25, 2021, 09:51:48 PM
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But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them?
because they cant continue anymore ? it could be lacking of funds or they have gained a bad reputations before but they havent fix it and it adds up .
They probably got a wrong move and can't take it anymore due to the community judging them.

As they know when it's the community that is against you, it's either you keep fighting for your business and establish it again or just stop it because you can no longer take the criticism aside from having lack of funds.



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June 25, 2021, 09:58:27 PM
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Cause quick profit is an easy temptation, plus, if they never really planned to actually run it properly, why would they not break it? As for casinos protecting themselves, it's rather easy tbh. Explain everything that happened. The forum isn't full of idiots, they would analyze and see who was really at fault and whether the one at fault was willing to admit it and to change. There are already various examples here tbh, one being a case where the user used an exploit to win money and used that money to win a big amount. The former was an exploit, while the latter was due to luck. There was an entire thread explaining a bunch of stuff and reasoning for that one (can't really remember the casino involved), but it was rather easy to see how reputable casinos actually take the time to explain stuff.
Temptation will always be there but if that gambling site compose of professionals and really love that work, for sure they'll continue to operate because there's a big money in gambling site and if they offer good services I'm pretty sure they'll earn more and no need for them to scam the players. Building a reputable gambling site takes a lot of effort, time and money I also don't understand for a need to scam where in fact they already spend the money which I believe they are capable enough to have. Scammer will always be a scammer to me, in gambling you have to choose very well.
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