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July 10, 2021, 07:41:35 PM
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Well, if they made mistakes then they'll get banned so it is fair for other forum user who are working or trying their best to create helpful posts or threads for everyone to see and get merited. I even see some of the forum users I merited that I thought he/she is trying to make constructive post but ends up getting banned due to plagiarism which made me think that I only wasted my merit which it should be given to other forum users that is more deserving after all human makes mistakes and tried to fix and using ignore feature also help too for those who didn't change after given a chance to change their posting habit.

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July 10, 2021, 07:53:07 PM
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The concept of second chance is rare on this forum.
Maybe it is indeed rare, but I've seen a few examples of people being given second chances, and personally I've removed numerous negative feedbacks from members who'd been involved in account sales in years past when they've PM'ed me--but only if they hadn't received any new negatives and if they've shown that they've improved since my negative trust was left.  Nobody hears about things like that, so those second chances might be granted more often than you think.

if you put a person on ignore list (or in spam list) , you check him after a year and you find no change in him.
Yeah, that's kind of what I was trying to get across in my previous post about my ignore list.  I only ignore members that look like they could never write a decent post if they tried.  But I've also been known to view posts of members on my list, and sometimes I've found that either they've improved or I was too harsh to begin with, and I've un-ignored them.  Once again, nobody but me would know about that, and I'd bet that I'm not the only one who's done such a thing.

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July 10, 2021, 10:41:54 PM
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But I would like to hear other opinions on this matter. Opinions of others merit sources.

Speaking about ignore list, I do have one myself but they get pardon very often. It's ok having an ignore list even as a source, the merit source role was given to you to merit worthy posts you encounter while going on with your usual day to day activities on the forum like before the merit source roles was given.

It's not mandatory to go around the forum looking for merit worthy posts. If you were to continue with you're regular posting habit that means you won't haven't to visit board you had on ignore before the role was given. Theymos was smart enough to know all this, we're human and we'll keep been human which is why he has the perfect strategy to the appointment of sources. He knows some merit source might have certain users or a particular board on ignore which is why he didn't restrict the role to some selective users with same mindset.

If source A has you on ignore there's possibilities of other sources not having you on ignore to see your post and if they're worth meriting, they award it, same goes for boards. Now in a scenario the other sources also have you on ignore then it's obvious you're the problem.

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For example, I have a completely empty ignore list, because I try to evaluate posts without paying attention to the nickname, namely the content of the post itself. If I ignore users that I do not like, then I will no longer be able to fully consider myself an objective merit source.

I couldn't imagine using this forum without my ignore list.  Then again, a lot of people are constantly vying for my attention.  It's why a lot of developers and creators have abandoned this place.  I think had more of them been heavy handed with the ignore button, maybe we would still be able to interact with certain individuals of the community that left to save their reputation before this place became a power hungry trollfest of extortionists and MITM schemers.  I hope at some point the focus stops being how can we get more scammers to click around the forum for statistical relevance, and goes back to how can we encourage development of Bitcoin projects.  The fact non-Bitcoin related threads being regularly necrobumped by their starters receive more merit than decade long projects that have created millions of dollars for participants is dumbfounding.

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July 11, 2021, 10:01:29 AM
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Personally, I don’t have anyone on the ignore list.
I usually only read certain parts of the forum and if I see a quality post I reward it with merit.
If I see a post that irritates me about something, I just skip it.
I really don’t think it’s my duty to follow everything on this forum and reward all possible posts because it’s just not possible or realistic.
I don’t like putting people on an ignore list because I believe that some people can change over time and start writing better posts and that’s why I give them a chance.
Initially, almost all newbie members write lower quality posts because they do not have enough knowledge and experience about crypto.
However, those new members who really try and work, raise the quality of their posts over time and that makes me happy because then I can reward them with merits.
I personally know a few such cases and that’s why I try to be patient with new members and don't put them on the ignore list due to beginner mistakes.

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I believe I have one user on my ignore...I am not even sure. To make it to my ignore list someone needs to show absolute lack of critical judgement plus a general lack of understanding of most aspects of the world together with an evident lack of desire to correct, rethink or defend rationally the views he (or she) expresses. Some extra points are awarded to those who have a political stance that is biased to the point of not being able to tell truth from fiction or simply repeats slogans with simple answers to complex problems or just follows a party doctrine like a troll-farm labourer.

Merit does not mean that I like or share the opinions, contents,.. simply that I appreciate that there is at least a minimum sense behind them or put forwards information worth my time.

In short, the fact of being a merit source does not oblige me to waste my time or distort my thought by injecting crap in my prefrontal lobes, thus my ignore list may be empty, but the door is not closed.

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July 22, 2021, 10:49:38 PM
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But I would like to hear other opinions on this matter. Opinions of others merit sources. How often do you use the ignore button and do you use it at all? After all, if you ignore active users that you do not like, you cannot evaluate their posts, which means that your objectivity is no longer so objective ... or not?
Yes, I Do, and When Needed, I don't really have a list, I just hit the button whenever I feel like doing so.
Lastly, that's the reason why we have a number of sources all over the place, If you are already ignored then I do not care at your post anymore, even if those are contructive ones, I am not capable of giving you any. My Smerits, My Rule.
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I have been serving as a merit source for more than years I think.
Say what?  You registered on the forum after the merit system was created, so it would have been a while before you would have even been a candidate to be one (unless Theymos chose you specifically to distribute merits on a local board).  I'm not criticizing you here, just breaking your balls a little--and there may be a language barrier, too.  Do you know in what year you were tapped to be a source?  I know for me it was 2019, and September was the month if I'm not mistaken, because that's when Theymos added a bunch of new ones.

I really don’t think it’s my duty to follow everything on this forum and reward all possible posts because it’s just not possible or realistic.
It's not your duty to do that at all, and I agree that it'd be next to impossible to even try to spread merits around on all the different sections.  I've got so many of them blocked that I only post in about 5-6 sections total I think.  Maybe more than that, but compared to how many sections exist on this forum, it's a very small percentage. 

And by the way, most of the members who've made my ignore list have been ones who've consistently posted garbage in sections like Bitcoin/Altcoin Discussion and sometimes Economics.  Those first two sections are like a swamp of shitposts, even though I think Bitcoin Discussion has improved in the last two years or so.  Not sure about the altcoin section, as I don't visit it anymore.

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