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July 19, 2021, 09:58:20 AM
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You will be surprised that some alts are not yet listed in cmc or coingecko, and yet they are in the trading market. Sadly, only few percent of these alts have actual use case in the market. Most of them are just redundancies and repetitions. So it is your prerogative how you will choose a project that you can  really invest your resources. And it is your responsibility to keep up with their developments.

A few percent? I would be very surprised if even 1% do. We're talking about 70k or 80k coins in total now remember. Listed and unlisted, on ETH and on WAVES and NEO and TRON.

1% is 700 or 800 coins that have a real use case. So that is for sure not true (having a use case but nobody is using it makes it NOT a use case by the way).



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July 19, 2021, 10:04:55 AM
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What is the purpose of altcoins? This is the very first question I had when I join cryptocurrency. At first, I was thinking that it has no use for just bitcoin should be the real focus and not an alternative coin. However, later on I learn that altcoins are still great even if it has been created for the purpose as an alternative coin to bitcoin and at the same time other altcoins has projects and could be like also a sort of investment that whenever you get a good altcoin one can earn huge to it.

But there are things that bother me about altcoins,

There are too mnany great altcoins in the market already. In fact there are many of it created and working good as well even listed in coinmarketcap.com having good assets.

Any opinion to that matter?



I agree with you on that point that there are a lot of altcoins out there and i would even say that a huge share of them are completely unnecessary and it would be better if they would not exist like for example all those meme-coins that came up within the last months and completely took away volume and market cap from other new coins that have a purpose.
I don't really agree though that it is a bad thing if a new altcoin tries to do something that another altcoin is already doing. I mean that is normal competition like it should be in a free economy, maybe it is annoying if you were a hodler of that coin that existed before and now drops in price because some new coin makes the same thing better, but if both projects are legit they should both be able to survive. I mean just look at car companies, there are like 50 of them in the world and most of them  still manage to make a profit.

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July 19, 2021, 11:24:25 AM
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You will be surprised that some alts are not yet listed in cmc or coingecko, and yet they are in the trading market. Sadly, only few percent of these alts have actual use case in the market. Most of them are just redundancies and repetitions. So it is your prerogative how you will choose a project that you can  really invest your resources. And it is your responsibility to keep up with their developments.

A few percent? I would be very surprised if even 1% do. We're talking about 70k or 80k coins in total now remember. Listed and unlisted, on ETH and on WAVES and NEO and TRON.

1% is 700 or 800 coins that have a real use case. So that is for sure not true (having a use case but nobody is using it makes it NOT a use case by the way).

Actually, it depends on how the term of use case is used or referred to. Each of cryptocurrency is definitely has a use case, they might claim to be a decentralized currency, has a fast transaction, etc. The thing is about the implementation of those use cases does it really true? any use cases would be useless if there are no verifiable implementations. Then we can come to the last point, the usability, whatever the dev/community claims about any cryptocurrency that has a use case but none of the usability, then it becomes as of those unknown cryptocurrencies that exist in the market.

I honestly think that the usability problem is still our major obstacle in the whole cryptocurrencies space in general. People need to widely utilize cryptocurrency in order to massively scale the adoption.

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July 19, 2021, 03:52:27 PM
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What is the purpose of altcoins? This is the very first question I had when I join cryptocurrency. At first, I was thinking that it has no use for just bitcoin should be the real focus and not an alternative coin. However, later on I learn that altcoins are still great even if it has been created for the purpose as an alternative coin to bitcoin and at the same time other altcoins has projects and could be like also a sort of investment that whenever you get a good altcoin one can earn huge to it.

We all have wants in life, if we see our neighbor bought a new car, appliances and other material things, we're tell to ourself that someday I will acquire this things, in crypto world not only this successful developer has a dream, even you, you could create your own innovation if you have, lucky to this people who are achieved their goals and their project is now popular and feel sorry to many who've tried their best but there is no luck for them. Cryptocurrency is a open world every people may develop their own currency but the problem is if their currency is acceptable to the people.

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July 19, 2021, 05:55:49 PM
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What is the purpose of altcoins? This is the very first question I had when I join cryptocurrency. At first, I was thinking that it has no use for just bitcoin should be the real focus and not an alternative coin. However, later on I learn that altcoins are still great even if it has been created for the purpose as an alternative coin to bitcoin and at the same time other altcoins has projects and could be like also a sort of investment that whenever you get a good altcoin one can earn huge to it.

We all have wants in life, if we see our neighbor bought a new car, appliances and other material things, we're tell to ourself that someday I will acquire this things, in crypto world not only this successful developer has a dream, even you, you could create your own innovation if you have, lucky to this people who are achieved their goals and their project is now popular and feel sorry to many who've tried their best but there is no luck for them. Cryptocurrency is a open world every people may develop their own currency but the problem is if their currency is acceptable to the people.

But greed based on what your neighbor is doing is bad. That is why the ICO craze was so insane in 2017. It was all over the news, many of the tokens went to the moon and everybody though they are going to be rich now! Cheesy Then came the crash... And that one hit hard! Now we have a huge graveyard for thousands of tokens.

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July 20, 2021, 07:12:41 AM
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1% is 700 or 800 coins that have a real use case. So that is for sure not true (having a use case but nobody is using it makes it NOT a use case by the way).

Actually, it depends on how the term of use case is used or referred to. Each of cryptocurrency is definitely has a use case, they might claim to be a decentralized currency, has a fast transaction, etc. The thing is about the implementation of those use cases does it really true? any use cases would be useless if there are no verifiable implementations. Then we can come to the last point, the usability, whatever the dev/community claims about any cryptocurrency that has a use case but none of the usability, then it becomes as of those unknown cryptocurrencies that exist in the market.

I honestly think that the usability problem is still our major obstacle in the whole cryptocurrencies space in general. People need to widely utilize cryptocurrency in order to massively scale the adoption.

For me use case isn't just about "creating a possible use for a coin". Use case is about providing a solution people WANT and people NEED because of a real problem they have. And this means, if a coin really has a use case, people will USE it.

The fact that all shitcoins with supposed use case are only being used to speculate and be sold, dumped, and pumped, proves they don't actually have a use case. "Decentralized currency" is not a use case:) Fast tx is not a use case. These are features:)



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For me use case isn't just about "creating a possible use for a coin". Use case is about providing a solution people WANT and people NEED because of a real problem they have. And this means, if a coin really has a use case, people will USE it.

The fact that all shitcoins with supposed use case are only being used to speculate and be sold, dumped, and pumped, proves they don't actually have a use case. "Decentralized currency" is not a use case:) Fast tx is not a use case. These are features:)
We won't have a point if we have a different definition of the term. Let's just agree to disagree.

I just want to emphasize. that all project could give their own promises to their community or everyone. In the end, it depends on how the usability and the adoption which the majority of people that will they use.

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July 21, 2021, 08:02:31 AM
 #108

For me use case isn't just about "creating a possible use for a coin". Use case is about providing a solution people WANT and people NEED because of a real problem they have. And this means, if a coin really has a use case, people will USE it.

The fact that all shitcoins with supposed use case are only being used to speculate and be sold, dumped, and pumped, proves they don't actually have a use case. "Decentralized currency" is not a use case:) Fast tx is not a use case. These are features:)
We won't have a point if we have a different definition of the term. Let's just agree to disagree.

I just want to emphasize. that all project could give their own promises to their community or everyone. In the end, it depends on how the usability and the adoption which the majority of people that will they use.

Fair enough, I guess. But I do think we have to stop feeding newbies and newcomers false promises and false marketing (saying use case when there isn't any, saying decentralized when it's clearly not, for example).

Broken "communities" full of wen moon lambo people and scammers is not a healthy community. Communities that don't even last a year when tokens dump, isn't going to help mass adoption.



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July 21, 2021, 09:11:53 AM
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Fair enough, I guess. But I do think we have to stop feeding newbies and newcomers false promises and false marketing (saying use case when there isn't any, saying decentralized when it's clearly not, for example).

Broken "communities" full of wen moon lambo people and scammers is not a healthy community. Communities that don't even last a year when tokens dump, isn't going to help mass adoption.

Very good point, as long it is possible feeding those newcomers to avoid projects that only exist to allure investors.

Projects that don't have real case usages and just full of sweet promises, we are in this wild market where lazy newbies are always aiming for quick profits.

Though, it isn't our business but helping by sharing your knowledge about it is not bad right? it depends how will those newbies will take things in their hands.

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Altcoins are supposed to be an alternative for investors in cryptocurrencies other than Bitcoin or Ethereum. But what happens is that many altcoin tokens fail to produce products and result in losses for their investors. Of the more than 7000 altcoins on the market, no more than 3% are able to survive for a long period of time.

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July 22, 2021, 05:20:54 AM
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Broken "communities" full of wen moon lambo people and scammers is not a healthy community. Communities that don't even last a year when tokens dump, isn't going to help mass adoption.

Very good point, as long it is possible feeding those newcomers to avoid projects that only exist to allure investors.

Projects that don't have real case usages and just full of sweet promises, we are in this wild market where lazy newbies are always aiming for quick profits.

Though, it isn't our business but helping by sharing your knowledge about it is not bad right? it depends how will those newbies will take things in their hands.
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I mean, I don't blame projects entirely. The fact is, the market is full of speculators who WANT only short-term gains and don't want to be crypto users and adopters, just crypto speculators.

But it's a circle jerk, and if you starve the supply, you'll also kill the demand.

Or, just stop wearing the mask and just go outright and say we're a ponzi or pyramid scheme;)



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July 22, 2021, 05:32:16 AM
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Actually, you are mistaken about staking. In adequate and working projects you can always withdraw your assets whenever you want. (It doesn’t concern Ethereum 2.0.) To understand if this project is a scam that will not allow you to get your money back you should always read docs and investigate social media of a project. One more useful thing is to look through the smart-contract.

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Personally I can’t agree with you. Some altcoins carry real value, so I  stick to the strategy of choosing some altcoins in the top-100 list on coinmarketcap, and then to hodl, and buy more on a regular basis. Of course, there are some coins that exist only for speculation but definitely not for holding (meme coins). To decide whether I am interested in this altcoin I investigate and understand the idea, read documents, find out about development team and marketing campaign.

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Failed altcoins are generally scammers, but it seems difficult for everyone to analyze which project is a scam. Many people invest with everyone without thinking about themselves, and there are also many scammers who will find people with fans to make hype and publicity, so that everyone will usually be deceived. There are still many copycats that are issued normally, but no one pays attention or purchases them, so they will slowly die.
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Fair enough, I guess. But I do think we have to stop feeding newbies and newcomers false promises and false marketing (saying use case when there isn't any, saying decentralized when it's clearly not, for example).

Broken "communities" full of wen moon lambo people and scammers is not a healthy community. Communities that don't even last a year when tokens dump, isn't going to help mass adoption.
Of course, I do agree, we should guide the newcomers to the right path. Nevertheless, we can't help them all the time, noting there is a lot of thoughtful learning material available. Meanwhile, yet people still get scammed because of a lack of critical thinking.

Also, I'm not implying to let all the shitcoins creator giving all the promises they want, but basic foundational thinking and as the old saying goes about DYOR and DWYOR should be a basic thing that newcomers have.

I personally think we can't stop the shitcoins from popping everywhere and giving false promises nor marketing. There will be always someone that gets lured. I do actually think it might be because people that come to this space have a mindset to get rich quickly.

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July 22, 2021, 02:33:13 PM
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Failed altcoins are generally scammers, but it seems difficult for everyone to analyze which project is a scam. Many people invest with everyone without thinking about themselves, and there are also many scammers who will find people with fans to make hype and publicity, so that everyone will usually be deceived. There are still many copycats that are issued normally, but no one pays attention or purchases them, so they will slowly die.

Being around here for almost 5 years now, it is very difficult for me to agree with you. Not all the failed projects are scams. Sometimes really good projects fail to attract interest from the investors, due to a variety of reasons. It can be due to general downtrend in the market, or due to issues in marketing of the project. And also, not all of the scam projects fail at the market. We already have two such shitcoins in the top-10 list, with a market cap of more than $25 billion. So you need to be more careful while generalizing projects based on their success in the market.

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Broken "communities" full of wen moon lambo people and scammers is not a healthy community. Communities that don't even last a year when tokens dump, isn't going to help mass adoption.
Of course, I do agree, we should guide the newcomers to the right path. Nevertheless, we can't help them all the time, noting there is a lot of thoughtful learning material available. Meanwhile, yet people still get scammed because of a lack of critical thinking.

Also, I'm not implying to let all the shitcoins creator giving all the promises they want, but basic foundational thinking and as the old saying goes about DYOR and DWYOR should be a basic thing that newcomers have.

I personally think we can't stop the shitcoins from popping everywhere and giving false promises nor marketing. There will be always someone that gets lured. I do actually think it might be because people that come to this space have a mindset to get rich quickly.

For sure, education is always best self-served. But at the same time, people are people, and if you attract more of the wrong type of audience, then you also are responsible for nurturing and keeping that vicious cycle of misinformation... making it harder for genuine newbies to find the right information, and coming to the wrong conclusions.

DYOR is now a mere disclaimer like projects just washing their hands off responsibility and accountability.



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July 23, 2021, 12:20:04 PM
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Failed altcoins are generally scammers, but it seems difficult for everyone to analyze which project is a scam. Many people invest with everyone without thinking about themselves, and there are also many scammers who will find people with fans to make hype and publicity, so that everyone will usually be deceived. There are still many copycats that are issued normally, but no one pays attention or purchases them, so they will slowly die.

It's quite easy to analyze which project was a scam. So many people never try to did a deep research and they were only following others to invest in the coin.
The herding has become the main reason why so many scam token can got the victim even the idea that used by this scam token was totally non sense thing.
They lack of knowledge about how to determine the scam token or they were short term betting on it

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July 23, 2021, 12:33:03 PM
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Failed altcoins are generally scammers, but it seems difficult for everyone to analyze which project is a scam. Many people invest with everyone without thinking about themselves, and there are also many scammers who will find people with fans to make hype and publicity, so that everyone will usually be deceived. There are still many copycats that are issued normally, but no one pays attention or purchases them, so they will slowly die.

It's quite easy to analyze which project was a scam. So many people never try to did a deep research and they were only following others to invest in the coin.
The herding has become the main reason why so many scam token can got the victim even the idea that used by this scam token was totally non sense thing.
They lack of knowledge about how to determine the scam token or they were short term betting on it
I'd never think that was so easy to analyze if that particular project is a scam or not coz if that only happens in real life, I'm sure nobody had fallen into this kind of business but are a lot of noobs become victims and the problem still doesn't have a solution.

my honest take to this is that we can't simply recognize a possible scam unless if that is very obvious. But scammers are smart enough to hide their true color and really win. If we are frustrated or disappointed with the market situation, it was best to invest only in reliable coins.

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July 23, 2021, 12:44:49 PM
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Failed altcoins are generally scammers, but it seems difficult for everyone to analyze which project is a scam. Many people invest with everyone without thinking about themselves, and there are also many scammers who will find people with fans to make hype and publicity, so that everyone will usually be deceived. There are still many copycats that are issued normally, but no one pays attention or purchases them, so they will slowly die.
Aside from that most of failed Altcoins also due to the team hardly able to keep up with the project or even the project itself stuck on its popularity not gaining traction in the market.
With failed coins that are because of rugpull they usually grown in popularity but the dev just decide to rugpull, but most of people overlook coins that consistently giving update but it become unsustainable when the project didn't get popular.

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.DeHero.Decentralized GameFi Application
Based on BSC
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......YOUTUBE......
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