Taxes on gambling send the right message?

[Fredomago]

Yes. The rate tax government gave the casino owner is no something they can't handle and I'm sure the government understands how much they are making before increasing their tax rate and the level of revenue the government are getting through casino, I believe they will never do something that will make the casino business evacuate

yeah right, the government will take care of this as they know casino brings a good amount of taxes and implementing higher than this business can acquire might force them to evacuate and find other locations.

There's always basis in terms of placing or implementing taxes, sure deal that behind that we don't know what are the conditions, mostly happened with small time casinos.

Underground deals to make sure that the permits will  granted and the house will facilitate without any problems.

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[Silberman]

However, other countries simply set high taxes to these activities, which I think is a false morality, as if by paying these activities can be less questionable. (Note: I personally do not question regulated gambling).

The "sin tax" is a pretty common way to profit from behavior you would like to curb as a government.  I actually think it's a good way to handle the situation.  Rather than force your citizens to do thinks "underground" and risk their safety engaging in business with possibly unscrupulous characters, they just have to pay insane taxes.  This also probably helps the losers a bit, as they can at least get a decent tax break for a run of bad luck.  In the US, some states have some pretty crazy sin taxes on alcohol and tobacco that make it difficult for some people to engage in those activities.

But isn't there a harmful equilibrium between insanely high taxation and prohibition? I am sure there is!

Let's assume you are broke and you want to do something the government would like you to rather not to. So the government raises insane taxes, the taxes at some point cause you to behave the same way as a prohibition would cause you to behave. That is individual for every human being, but you could essentially apply an indifference curve to tax vs. prohibition and you would hit a point on the curve for almost every human being in the world. Maybe except for the billionaires who would never care about any tax once they are already a billionaire. Taxes aren't necessarily better than prohibition when it comes to fighting underground activities.

That is not good, if you raise taxes high enough to the point people behave in the same way as if there was a prohibition then they are going to do the same they do when there is a prohibition and that is finding substitute goods and services, also known as the black markets, they will just gamble in a casino that is illegal and that does not have to pay such taxes, eventually the legal casinos will go bankrupt and the majority of the casinos that will be in place will be the illegal ones.

[goinmerry]

What I'm saying is, the government has the most qualified people who evaluate the economy and they see the numbers, so they'll not likely make a bad decision to create a law without the right basis.

Every increase in taxation is really good for a country as long as it will serve the right purpose. It's a valid point that government will rely on their source of revenue for those industries that are not affected during the pandemic and one of those is gambling.

As long as the added percentage given is reasonable, gambling owners will fairly accept it without a problem.

[mv1986]

However, other countries simply set high taxes to these activities, which I think is a false morality, as if by paying these activities can be less questionable. (Note: I personally do not question regulated gambling).

The "sin tax" is a pretty common way to profit from behavior you would like to curb as a government.  I actually think it's a good way to handle the situation.  Rather than force your citizens to do thinks "underground" and risk their safety engaging in business with possibly unscrupulous characters, they just have to pay insane taxes.  This also probably helps the losers a bit, as they can at least get a decent tax break for a run of bad luck.  In the US, some states have some pretty crazy sin taxes on alcohol and tobacco that make it difficult for some people to engage in those activities.

But isn't there a harmful equilibrium between insanely high taxation and prohibition? I am sure there is!

From my own view, there's no harmful equilibrium between high taxation and prohibition. If there's the organization that operates the business will have quit and the last time I checked they are making huge money through the business.

Let's assume you are broke and you want to do something the government would like you to rather not to. So the government raises insane taxes, the taxes at some point cause you to behave the same way as a prohibition would cause you to behave.

Well, the government usually set up a fair tax for the startup or new business since the business will create more job opportunity and we shouldn't compare gambling, narcotics, and alcohol tax because the owner is making huge money from it.

I guess there is an equilibrium as or a quasi equilibrium, affecting an increasing number of people with rising taxes. Of course, billionaires will never care. They would pay a 99% tax just for the lolz depending on the amounts they are gambling, unless they put existential money on the line but that is hard to imagine for a billionaire.
For the average person, a tax rising towards 100% will affect more and more people the same way a prohibition would affect them, entailing the same courses of action for both the high tax and the prohibition scenario.

Regarding your second point, I am not sure I understand. All three involve a lot of money. Gambling, narcotics and alcohol are massive industries although I would say that gambling produces less jobs than the alcohol industry.

[3meek]

What I'm saying is, the government has the most qualified people who evaluate the economy and they see the numbers, so they'll not likely make a bad decision to create a law without the right basis.

Every increase in taxation is really good for a country as long as it will serve the right purpose. It's a valid point that government will rely on their source of revenue for those industries that are not affected during the pandemic and one of those is gambling.

As long as the added percentage given is reasonable, gambling owners will fairly accept it without a problem.

I'm not sure any business owner can accept any tax increase without problems! Even if the casino has super profits, I'm sure they pay huge taxes as it is... So why should they accept a tax increase? And this is me talking about civilised countries, especially since in such countries taxes are actually used properly!

[Hypnosis00]

What I'm saying is, the government has the most qualified people who evaluate the economy and they see the numbers, so they'll not likely make a bad decision to create a law without the right basis.

Every increase in taxation is really good for a country as long as it will serve the right purpose. It's a valid point that government will rely on their source of revenue for those industries that are not affected during the pandemic and one of those is gambling.

As long as the added percentage given is reasonable, gambling owners will fairly accept it without a problem.

I'm not sure any business owner can accept any tax increase without problems! Even if the casino has super profits, I'm sure they pay huge taxes as it is... So why should they accept a tax increase? And this is me talking about civilised countries, especially since in such countries taxes are actually used properly!

When we say taxes, it should not be for specific people only, it's for the same business and the implementation is equal, the tax due would only vary according to your profit, low profit means low tax and high profit means high tax and it will never be possible that you'll not pay any taxes on your business.

[Ziskinberg]

What I'm saying is, the government has the most qualified people who evaluate the economy and they see the numbers, so they'll not likely make a bad decision to create a law without the right basis.

Every increase in taxation is really good for a country as long as it will serve the right purpose. It's a valid point that government will rely on their source of revenue for those industries that are not affected during the pandemic and one of those is gambling.

As long as the added percentage given is reasonable, gambling owners will fairly accept it without a problem.

I'm not sure any business owner can accept any tax increase without problems! Even if the casino has super profits, I'm sure they pay huge taxes as it is... So why should they accept a tax increase? And this is me talking about civilised countries, especially since in such countries taxes are actually used properly!

When we say taxes, it should not be for specific people only, it's for the same business and the implementation is equal, the tax due would only vary according to your profit, low profit means low tax and high profit means high tax and it will never be possible that you'll not pay any taxes on your business.

The message of the government is very simple, when you have a business, you are obliged to pay taxes, and since they are the ones who regulate and implement it, they can also amend taxes and most likely it's an increase than the decrease, and as an investor, you have to deal with it, choose whether you continue or you stop because you can't anymore pay the taxes or your business is not profiting anymore.

[uneng]

What I'm saying is, the government has the most qualified people who evaluate the economy and they see the numbers, so they'll not likely make a bad decision to create a law without the right basis.

Every increase in taxation is really good for a country as long as it will serve the right purpose. It's a valid point that government will rely on their source of revenue for those industries that are not affected during the pandemic and one of those is gambling.

As long as the added percentage given is reasonable, gambling owners will fairly accept it without a problem.

I'm not sure any business owner can accept any tax increase without problems! Even if the casino has super profits, I'm sure they pay huge taxes as it is... So why should they accept a tax increase? And this is me talking about civilised countries, especially since in such countries taxes are actually used properly!

When we say taxes, it should not be for specific people only, it's for the same business and the implementation is equal, the tax due would only vary according to your profit, low profit means low tax and high profit means high tax and it will never be possible that you'll not pay any taxes on your business.

The message of the government is very simple, when you have a business, you are obliged to pay taxes, and since they are the ones who regulate and implement it, they can also amend taxes and most likely it's an increase than the decrease, and as an investor, you have to deal with it, choose whether you continue or you stop because you can't anymore pay the taxes or your business is not profiting anymore.

It sounds like slavery. The government has a supreme power that forces people to pay increasing taxes along the years otherwise they can't run their businesses or even live normally, just like the punishment for slaves when they didn't work or didn't work properly. Furthermore, governments never detail in a easy way where all these taxes are going to.
Every product you purchase, every service you hire, every activity you execute have a tax attached. So it would be also natural to have an information about where this money is going when paying these taxes, what doesn't happen. The message taxes send is: when force comes on the scene, right goes packing.  

[suzanne5223]

Yes. The rate tax government gave the casino owner is no something they can't handle and I'm sure the government understands how much they are making before increasing their tax rate and the level of revenue the government are getting through casino, I believe they will never do something that will make the casino business evacuate

yeah right, the government will take care of this as they know casino brings a good amount of taxes and implementing higher than this business can acquire might force them to evacuate and find other locations.

There's always basis in terms of placing or implementing taxes, sure deal that behind that we don't know what are the conditions, mostly happened with small time casinos.

Underground deals to make sure that the permits will  granted and the house will facilitate without any problems.

I believe the underground deals were among the reason why the government increases the tax payment of casinos and the last time I checked we have some government officials who are also the customers of the casino so they understand everything about their activities. Therefore, it will be hard for the government to implement tax rates that will make them evacuate.

However, other countries simply set high taxes to these activities, which I think is a false morality, as if by paying these activities can be less questionable. (Note: I personally do not question regulated gambling).

The "sin tax" is a pretty common way to profit from behavior you would like to curb as a government.  I actually think it's a good way to handle the situation.  Rather than force your citizens to do thinks "underground" and risk their safety engaging in business with possibly unscrupulous characters, they just have to pay insane taxes.  This also probably helps the losers a bit, as they can at least get a decent tax break for a run of bad luck.  In the US, some states have some pretty crazy sin taxes on alcohol and tobacco that make it difficult for some people to engage in those activities.

But isn't there a harmful equilibrium between insanely high taxation and prohibition? I am sure there is!

From my own view, there's no harmful equilibrium between high taxation and prohibition. If there's the organization that operates the business will have quit and the last time I checked they are making huge money through the business.

Let's assume you are broke and you want to do something the government would like you to rather not to. So the government raises insane taxes, the taxes at some point cause you to behave the same way as a prohibition would cause you to behave.

Well, the government usually set up a fair tax for the startup or new business since the business will create more job opportunity and we shouldn't compare gambling, narcotics, and alcohol tax because the owner is making huge money from it.

I guess there is an equilibrium as or a quasi equilibrium, affecting an increasing number of people with rising taxes. Of course, billionaires will never care. They would pay a 99% tax just for the lolz depending on the amounts they are gambling, unless they put existential money on the line but that is hard to imagine for a billionaire.
For the average person, a tax rising towards 100% will affect more and more people the same way a prohibition would affect them, entailing the same courses of action for both the high tax and the prohibition scenario.

Regarding your second point, I am not sure I understand. All three involve a lot of money. Gambling, narcotics and alcohol are massive industries although I would say that gambling produces less jobs than the alcohol industry.

I also support that increase in tax will 100% affect the average person but most tax supplements only focus on the wealthy people which you also confirmed they also don't bother much about it the tax since it is just another of them giving back to the community.
Regarding the second point, what I said is that all the mention industries make a huge amount of money and the government totally understands what they are doing when they increase their tax rate.

[Lanatsa]

The message of the government is very simple, when you have a business, you are obliged to pay taxes, and since they are the ones who regulate and implement it, they can also amend taxes and most likely it's an increase than the decrease, and as an investor, you have to deal with it, choose whether you continue or you stop because you can't anymore pay the taxes or your business is not profiting anymore.

On point and a very simple explanation because whats the point on going or continuing the business if its not profitable anymore plus the imposed taxes were very high then its just normal that it would be

better to completely stop operation or stop business than on going further.As a business owner then you wont really be having no choice but rather to deal or agree on whats being required because

that would really be their requirement before you can open up a business or replacing the older one.If you cant deal with it then its your choice neither you do stop or agree as simple as that.

[Sithara007]

I'm not sure any business owner can accept any tax increase without problems! Even if the casino has super profits, I'm sure they pay huge taxes as it is... So why should they accept a tax increase? And this is me talking about civilised countries, especially since in such countries taxes are actually used properly!

Running a casino is not a very safe business. On paper, the house advantage may be 0.5% or 1.0% and the owner is supposed to gain a certain percentage of the overall revenue as taxes. But in real world, that may or may not happen. In some years, the customers may be lucky and they may win a few large jackpots. And this will push the casino business in to loss. On top of that, they need to take care of the other expenses, such as wages for the employees and maintenance of the slot machines. And finally, the pandemic has made sure that the revenues are only a fraction of what they were earlier. This is not the right time for an increase in taxes.

[Ziskinberg]

I'm not sure any business owner can accept any tax increase without problems! Even if the casino has super profits, I'm sure they pay huge taxes as it is... So why should they accept a tax increase? And this is me talking about civilised countries, especially since in such countries taxes are actually used properly!

Running a casino is not a very safe business. On paper, the house advantage may be 0.5% or 1.0% and the owner is supposed to gain a certain percentage of the overall revenue as taxes. But in real world, that may or may not happen. In some years, the customers may be lucky and they may win a few large jackpots. And this will push the casino business in to loss. On top of that, they need to take care of the other expenses, such as wages for the employees and maintenance of the slot machines. And finally, the pandemic has made sure that the revenues are only a fraction of what they were earlier. This is not the right time for an increase in taxes.

The house edge you are talking about is just a small percentage, there are still plenty of games that have a house edge and I think casinos would stop if they are operating profitably, they know their business so they know their income and expenses, and actually regardless of the house edge, as long as they keep winning a casino would remain profitable.

Try to look at our favorite online casinos, some have exists for years and already have millions of dollars wagered to them, so we can assume that they make big profit as well.

[Silberman]

The message of the government is very simple, when you have a business, you are obliged to pay taxes, and since they are the ones who regulate and implement it, they can also amend taxes and most likely it's an increase than the decrease, and as an investor, you have to deal with it, choose whether you continue or you stop because you can't anymore pay the taxes or your business is not profiting anymore.

It sounds like slavery. The government has a supreme power that forces people to pay increasing taxes along the years otherwise they can't run their businesses or even live normally, just like the punishment for slaves when they didn't work or didn't work properly. Furthermore, governments never detail in a easy way where all these taxes are going to.
Every product you purchase, every service you hire, every activity you execute have a tax attached. So it would be also natural to have an information about where this money is going when paying these taxes, what doesn't happen. The message taxes send is: when force comes on the scene, right goes packing. 

It surely does sounds like slavery, I think everyone understands that some level of taxes should be paid in order for the government to be able to fulfill the reason of why we have a government on the first place, but those taxes need to be as low as possible, and the reason for this is that governments only redistribute the wealth that already exist in the country, they do not generate wealth and the more taxes they charge the lesser wealth is created and it takes more time to create that wealth.

[Fredomago]

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I believe the underground deals were among the reason why the government increases the tax payment of casinos and the last time I checked we have some government officials who are also the customers of the casino so they understand everything about their activities. Therefore, it will be hard for the government to implement tax rates that will make them evacuate.

yeah right, they see that there are  government officials who are also patrons of those offshores casinos.

Underground deals are not new and with how the those who imposed the rules should act in favor of the government, applying additional taxes maybe hurting the business,

But there's something behind that will keep those owners to continue dealing and continue to operate, business as usual.

[zanezane]

Every increase in taxation is really good for a country as long as it will serve the right purpose. It's a valid point that government will rely on their source of revenue for those industries that are not affected during the pandemic and one of those is gambling.

As long as the added percentage given is reasonable, gambling owners will fairly accept it without a problem.

Exactly, if it goes in the right direction then I wouldn't mind having a big tax imposed on me, just look at some of the successful and 1st class economy in Europe, they make free healthcare and colleges hell some even pay students to attend college because they have high taxes and people sees the taxes being used the right way.

[Kelvinid]

Every increase in taxation is really good for a country as long as it will serve the right purpose. It's a valid point that government will rely on their source of revenue for those industries that are not affected during the pandemic and one of those is gambling.

As long as the added percentage given is reasonable, gambling owners will fairly accept it without a problem.

Exactly, if it goes in the right direction then I wouldn't mind having a big tax imposed on me, just look at some of the successful and 1st class economy in Europe, they make free healthcare and colleges hell some even pay students to attend college because they have high taxes and people sees the taxes being used the right way.

People will not complain if taxes are used the right way, besides, this tax is not a tax for necessities, so it's alright to increase the tax as we have an option to gamble or not. Like a lottery, the revenue is used for government projects and we play the lottery although the chance is very slim (close to nothing), so it should not be a burden for us gamblers.

[Fatunad]

Every increase in taxation is really good for a country as long as it will serve the right purpose. It's a valid point that government will rely on their source of revenue for those industries that are not affected during the pandemic and one of those is gambling.

As long as the added percentage given is reasonable, gambling owners will fairly accept it without a problem.

Exactly, if it goes in the right direction then I wouldn't mind having a big tax imposed on me, just look at some of the successful and 1st class economy in Europe, they make free healthcare and colleges hell some even pay students to attend college because they have high taxes and people sees the taxes being used the right way.

People will not complain if taxes are used the right way, besides, this tax is not a tax for necessities, so it's alright to increase the tax as we have an option to gamble or not. Like a lottery, the revenue is used for government projects and we play the lottery although the chance is very slim (close to nothing), so it should not be a burden for us gamblers.

And also being a gambler isnt a mandatory thing but rather a matter of choice and also to those business owners where taxation is something in default even though there might be some changes in rates or deduction
but at least you do know that it does have specific benefits on a certain country and that depends on what type of government you do have its neither a corrupted one or really that mindful about development
on where those taxes is been applied on the right way then this wont really be an issue for most gambling site or even those typical business owners.

[blockman]

Exactly, if it goes in the right direction then I wouldn't mind having a big tax imposed on me, just look at some of the successful and 1st class economy in Europe, they make free healthcare and colleges hell some even pay students to attend college because they have high taxes and people sees the taxes being used the right way.

True, I won't think that it's too much if they tax as we gamble since I was in my childhood days, there's already gambling and there's already taxation for everything unless you get a treatment that you'll be getting a tax free winning. Well, just forget about winning. It happens with small bets so the tax that's being imposed with that isn't that much but for those people that win a lot, they surely are feeling some regret if they're imposed with taxes. But that's normal, the taxes go to what it's needed to go and as long as you see that there's progress and development from what it's being used, that's totally fine.

[Sithara007]

True, I won't think that it's too much if they tax as we gamble since I was in my childhood days, there's already gambling and there's already taxation for everything unless you get a treatment that you'll be getting a tax free winning. Well, just forget about winning. It happens with small bets so the tax that's being imposed with that isn't that much but for those people that win a lot, they surely are feeling some regret if they're imposed with taxes. But that's normal, the taxes go to what it's needed to go and as long as you see that there's progress and development from what it's being used, that's totally fine.

I have seen a lot of people saying that taxes are being used for good purposes and therefore no one should stand against taxation. That may have been the case a few decades ago, but times have changed. Nowadays a majority of the expenses from the government can be termed as "wasteful". Especially in the case with left-wing governments, a large part of the tax revenue is nowadays used to reward the most unproductive sections of the population, in the form of child benefits and unemployment handouts. And meanwhile the tax rates have gone up gradually. In the US and EU, there are jurisdictions where the top marginal income tax is above 60%.

[lixer]

if it goes in the right direction then I wouldn't mind having a big tax imposed on me, just look at some of the successful and 1st class economy in Europe, they make free healthcare and colleges hell some even pay students to attend college because they have high taxes and people sees the taxes being used the right way.

I also have a similar emotion regarding the taxes, as long as they are being spent on anything that helps my country grow, I am more than willing to pay them but once the taxes are being spent for their own comfort, it becomes a problem to me.

Taxation on gambling is actually not as bad as it might seem because it demotivates the gamblers as they have to pay taxes on winnings while also contributes to the country's growth which sends the appropriate message. Tax must be very consciously set though because if it is set too high for the gamblers, they will find some illegal ways of gambling and elude all the taxes.