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July 15, 2021, 11:15:22 PM
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I'm talking about RIPEMD-160. Is a hash function considered a symmetric algorithm?
Oops. I was thinking of using Grover's which works for both. Point stands, the security of addresses isn't reduced more by quantum computers through the possibility of collisions as opposed to cracking the ECDSA directly. Finding collisions of RIPEMD-160 is still difficult enough, combined with the fact that there is SHA256 hashing prior to it and that you're finding a very small set of keys.

You might be able to find a collision of two addresses far in the future but it still probably wouldn't be worth the time

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July 16, 2021, 02:09:53 AM
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If this is established with finality, then the implication is that the never-ending and even futile search for the person behind the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto might finally end. And while it is sad that the genius Hal Finney has already passed, his passing might actually save Bitcoin a lot of trouble, if in case it is confirmed beyond reasonable doubt that Satoshi is indeed Hal. But it seems Satoshi is not Hal. Why would Hal even be Hal in the open and also Satoshi at the same time, and corresponds with each other, exchange ideas, and so on? Don't you think it's such a waste of time and kind of ridiculous?

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July 16, 2021, 04:33:31 AM
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I think the more you get involved with bitcoin technology the more you get away from that question and from having the tendency to put specific names to get "confirmation".

Even just a few years into the existence of Bitcoin, this already transcends individualities and it is not for not giving credit to who  managed to launch Bitcoin, but it is perhaps the greatest tribute ever, is to forget the guesswork.


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July 16, 2021, 06:03:06 AM
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Giving Hal the title of Satoshi is not a bad thing, and honors his contributions since 1993 in developing PGP, proof of work, and hash cash and elliptic curve methods.

If Hal was not Satoshi, then he was a parent.

When Satoshi announced the first release of the software, I grabbed it right away. I think I was the first person besides Satoshi to run bitcoin. I mined block 70-something, and I was the recipient of the first bitcoin transaction, when Satoshi sent ten coins to me as a test. I carried on an email conversation with Satoshi over the next few days, mostly me reporting bugs and him fixing them.

I have only now realized the importance of this. Hal must have been the third person connected, or blocks 1-70 would not have been mined. Perhaps Hal had mining off, or Satoshi used two computers?

Adding to that Hal's wallet:


It was not an unreasonable assumption to believe Hal is the Satoshi. There are many threads, here, on other forums, and in professional articles articulating such a belief. Perhaps I could have framed it differently, but this was a question about the implications of if Hal was Satoshi, which is different than whether Hal is the individual behind the original pseudonym.

In terms of implications, there was an attempted extortion on Hal when he was alive beyond what Hal possessed. We know Hal's politic (a libertarian with Ayn Rand of Atlas Shrugged type). Hopefully his family will be ok.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/03/25/satoshi-nakamotos-neighbor-the-bitcoin-ghostwriter-who-wasnt/?sh=7eff57934a37

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July 16, 2021, 10:33:29 AM
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Certainly he is not.
If Hal was Satoshi, that would be a big fraud.

Fraud? I would rather call it a genius diversion, because if we were to assume that Hal really was Satoshi, then he had every right to protect himself and his family, wouldn’t each of us do that? In addition, Satoshi coins have not moved to this day, and the Hal family is clearly not in their possession.

The man has been dead for some time and should be left to rest in peace - if nothing else then out of respect for everything he has done and his family who probably visit the forum from time to time.

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How do you find someone who has spent a lifetime covering his tracks?

For some, he was a guardian angel. For others, a ghost, who never quite fit in.

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