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For anyone who loves freedom and hates mask mandates or remote learning, Dr. Jerome Adams has a blunt message: Get vaccinated.

"More mitigation is coming. Whether it's masking, or whether it's closures or whether it's your kids having to return to virtual learning, that is coming," the Trump administration surgeon general told CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday.

"And it's coming because this pandemic is spiraling out of control yet again. And it's spiraling out of control because we don't have enough people vaccinated." As of Sunday, only 49.1% of Americans have been fully vaccinated, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That's nowhere near enough vaccinations to stop the spread of the Delta variant, the most contagious strain of novel coronavirus ever identified. In 48 states, the rate of new Covid-19 cases this past week jumped by at least 10% compared to the previous week, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. In 34 of those states, the rate of new cases increased by more than 50%.

"The thing that's making this possible is the fact that we are dealing with the most transmissible version of Covid-19 that we've seen to date," current US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy said.

So eligible Americans who want to prevent more mask mandates, business closures and a return to remote learning need to do their part and get vaccinated, said Adams, the Trump administration official. "It's going to help every single American enjoy the freedoms that we want to return to," he said.


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July 25, 2021, 10:20:23 PM
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Freedom of choice:

Wear a mask. Get vaccinated. Avoid others who don't volunteer to be infected by you.

Those are some reasonable choices to pick from. Freedom does not mean freedom to harm others and extend a pandemic.

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July 26, 2021, 01:31:40 AM
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I really feel apprehensive about people's awareness of how dangerous the disease is with the epidemic. The Delta variant is raging in many places, and it seems to be causing the healthcare of some countries to fall out of control. But it's really more worrying when bad news hits people's psyche, causing them to lose faith in health care, lose faith in vaccines. I see that's a really stupid thing, but it doesn't change much anyway, maybe the epidemic will change the perception of all of us.

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July 26, 2021, 03:50:13 AM
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Freedom of choice:

Wear a mask. Get vaccinated. Avoid others who don't volunteer to be infected by you.

Those are some reasonable choices to pick from. Freedom does not mean freedom to harm others and extend a pandemic.

Previously some were arguing that not everyone needs to get vaccinated. With the original strain of COVID 19, the mortality rate for the younger people (those who aged below 35 years) was less than 0.1%. At this point, at least some of the experts were arguing that the younger generation should be exempted from vaccination. But now two things have come to notice, which contradicts this stance - a lot of vulnerable people are getting infected as a result of their interaction with the young people and the new strains of the virus (esp. Delta) is much more lethal now for the young. Also, for attaining the herd immunity, it is necessary to vaccinate as many as possible.

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July 26, 2021, 06:05:32 AM
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First of all the government must ensure the safety of the vaccine.

I think the reason people don't want to get vaccinated is because they are scared by the side effects of the vaccine (there are many deaths after vaccination).

It was so sad that he had escaped the virus infection but died of the vaccine.
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I have been vaccinated but I don't buy the argument that it is the fault of those who have not been vaccinated. Rather the fault lies with Fauci and the Wuhan Institute of Technology for wanting to play God by doing experiments with viruses. If you start doing experiments with a chair, and it goes wrong and you break the chair, well, nothing happens, but if you play God you might get a pandemic. That's why: "the US government halted funding for such activities due to biosafety concerns."

Let's see if it will turn out that the previous phases were also due to the unvaccinated.

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July 26, 2021, 08:16:00 AM
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The problem here is that the government made the pandemic a political tool to bolster their power and influence which resulted with the public facing the consequences, not to mention the current vaccine inequity is making the pandemic much worse since vaccines aren't distributed equally among affected nations which only cultivates new variants and make us go back to square one.

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The role of the vaccine is to prevent the virus and reduce the possibility of infection. Refusing the vaccine is totally irresponsible for one's own health. In the face of the epidemic, the control of the country also depends on personal hygiene. However, in the long run, widespread vaccination can achieve true prevention of the spread of the virus.
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I mean it's well known by now that even if everyone is vaccinated there will still be limitations because the vaccination is not as effective in some people as it is in others.  You can see that well in Israel. Although there are relatively many vaccinated, there are already lockdowns again because the Delta variant is spreading.
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At present, vaccines have not been able to keep up with the variation of Covid-19. In my country, people are very skeptical of the protection of vaccines. And even the high virulence of most current vaccines creates apprehension among people about whether to have access to it. I think it's more important to protect yourself to avoid the spread than to get vaccinated. Equipping the necessary items to avoid spreading like this is a priority.
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I don't tend to agree with this title. Covid-19 is a virus and you see that virus fights the human system (in a common explanation) and in that process, it might die off or redublicate itself into either a less dangerous variant or a higher dangerous variant. That is what is happening and not that people who are not vaccinated are the cause of whatever thing happening but it is natural that either the virus dublicated dies off or keep threatening human immune system.
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I mean it's well known by now that even if everyone is vaccinated there will still be limitations because the vaccination is not as effective in some people as it is in others.  You can see that well in Israel. Although there are relatively many vaccinated, there are already lockdowns again because the Delta variant is spreading.

Israel mostly used the Pfizer vaccine, so it is actually surprising. Pfizer vaccine is supposed to be the most effective one out of the available brands, having an efficacy of 95% against symptomatic CoVID and almost 100% protection against hospitalization. If it is not effective against the Delta variant, then it is a cause for worry. Also, Israel was one of the first countries to achieve 60% vaccination rate. Is this a sign that the antibodies generated by the vaccine doesn't last for more than 6-7 months?
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Freedom of choice:

Wear a mask. Get vaccinated. Avoid others who don't volunteer to be infected by you.

Those are some reasonable choices to pick from. Freedom does not mean freedom to harm others and extend a pandemic.

Valid point.

Vaccination is indeed important especially right now that we are in a pandemic. To achieve herd immunity, a specific count of population must be vaccinated so that we can control the spread of virus. We can only achieve that by volunteering to be vaccinated by whatever kind of brand of vaccine is available. Like what they say, the best vaccine is the one that is available.

I believe that we all have a choice. We have a freedom to choose what we want for ourselves. However, during this time, we must take into consideration the good of the majority instead of just looking out for ourselves. Freedom doesn't equate to negligence and it should not be enjoyed in the expense of others' welfare. I know there are people here that are anti-vaccines. I respect your beliefs, but I would like to ask some consideration to think about it again. You can do research and more about the vaccines. We have beaten several plagues and pandemic before, and we can do it again now. We just need to be united for the greater good.

While there are recorded side effects to some, there are still studies that prove vaccines are effective. It may not guarantee a 100% efficacy, but it can still protect you from the virus. The mutation of the virus is unevitable. What we can do is to play our part - participate and cooperate in doing the safety health protocols and be vaccinated as soon as possible. Right now, it is a privilege to be vaccinated. So if it's already available in your area, you have an access to it and you can be vaccinated, please do so. It's the key to be one step closer to the end of this crisis. Please be vaccinated and stay safe.
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July 26, 2021, 03:45:10 PM
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If the delta variant of COVID-19 emerged 1 month ago. How long does it take to develop a vaccine to counteract it.

The media desires obedience and trust from the public. But isn't willing to offer full disclosure on many key facets of the pandemic debate. It seems we've reached an impasse. Many no longer appear to trust the media or state authority figure verdicts on the pandemic. The media repeats the same message. In the hope of it being complied with through repetition. With neither side making progress as far as I can tell. Whether one side or the other can make adjustments to break the impasse in their favor remains to be seen.

This conflict highlights the need for better scientific exposition on topics like vaccines, to better enable the public to make informed decisions. As well as perhaps higher standards from experts and the media if they wish to earn back the public trust.
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Currently, at the current level of prevention of this disease, some people still lack awareness and do not protect themselves, they despise covid, not afraid of death, lack of awareness in cooperation in disease prevention.
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It's hard to gain people's trust to get vaccinated when they see testimonials of side effects and people suddenly dying after getting the shots. They are more scared of that than the virus. It also doesn't help that even injected people are still infected with the new variant.

...The media desires obedience and trust from the public. But isn't willing to offer full disclosure on many key facets of the pandemic debate.
Social media is also controlled. I have read of Facebook accounts censored and banned for challenging or posting something critical of the vaccines.

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July 26, 2021, 04:37:59 PM
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I still don't understand the thoughts of some people who still underestimate the virus that has happened and it is still very difficult to comply with the health protocols that have been recommended.
even though it is very clear that the number of deaths that have been recorded in all countries in the world is not just a number of tens or hundreds, it has even reached millions and I think this is a pandemic with the highest number of victims so far.
flashing about the actual vaccine, there may still be some doubts in people's minds because there are several cases caused by this vaccine, and in the country I live in now, there are many cases caused by vaccines starting from being unable to see, not being able to walk and some even being infected. until he died because of the vaccine. therefore they feel anxious when they want to be vaccinated.
but if we look at the use of vaccines themselves, I actually think the benefits are very good, for example yesterday when the euro was held, which at that time could be seen by many spectators. this is evidence from the country that has promoted and recommended its people to be vaccinated to avoid a pandemic and the results obtained are very few patients who are infected after the euro is over and this is one of the advantages of the vaccine.
apart from that I highly recommend to all of my friends to be more concerned with health regardless of whether you have been vaccinated or not, do social distancing and continue to use masks to avoid this virus and hopefully this virus will end soon

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July 27, 2021, 08:03:49 AM
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Freedom of choice:

Wear a mask. Get vaccinated. Avoid others who don't volunteer to be infected by you.

Those are some reasonable choices to pick from. Freedom does not mean freedom to harm others and extend a pandemic.
Agreed that If you love your life and family then you must act to do these and make it the best for your entire life.

there are haters of vaccine but they don't even know how to prevent from dying in  this virus.

So best to follow the experts and make your family living good .

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July 27, 2021, 08:13:39 AM
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Meanwhile wearing mask and getting vaccinated is not enough to save you from getting infected with covid 19 then why people should be bothering about?

Covid will not stop by wearing masks, etc and vaccines are making the Covid virus more furious due to mutations.









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July 27, 2021, 08:27:50 AM
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Meanwhile wearing mask and getting vaccinated is not enough to save you from getting infected with covid 19 then why people should be bothering about?

Covid will not stop by wearing masks, etc and vaccines are making the Covid virus more furious due to mutations.
At least you will be less affected mate, because the vaccine will boost your immune system and become more strong than none vaccinated people.
Meaning you can more to survive the dying with this corona .

though The healthy people will never become hardly affected but only those who has sickness specially internals and also this our life in which we must protect.
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