Motivated by "breaking the code"

[Saint-loup]

To be honest I've never even played slots in a physical casino and I don't know when I'll have the chance to do so. I feel that the gambler's win against the machine is really unexpected luck and would be very hard to predict. I don't need to talk much about slot machine I never play, this is completely irrelevant to me as I've only bet 99% online so far.

"breaking the code" it sounds like something very difficult for anyone to do but still possible for those who are geniuses. I just think that when one's motivation and belief is to win a bet then there is usually luck in it.

When it comes to slots I do not think there is anything to break, there have been cases in the past of people cheating in slot machines, for example there was one person that coded the machines and introduced a special sequence in some of them that allowed him to win every time, while some people used a physical device that when they won allowed them to cheat the machine and make the machine to keep paying even if it had given them their deserved reward, but besides those methods which are cheating I do not see how can anyone break the code when it comes to slot machines.

How can you say that while even on Stake several users have been recently caught because they've found a way to "break the code" as paxmao says. The case has been exposed here on the forum. You didn't see it? In fact only truly random slots have no "code to break" and can't be cheated, but most of slots are only pseudorandom at best and not provably fair.

[michellee]

That is a good point. There are only two reasons why gamblers gamble on casinos and websites.

1. Profits
2. Fun

Those who play for profits mostly end up losing the money and only a few make good profits.
Those who play for fun are the ones who like the feeling of winning and those people can decrease their amount a lot and get the same gameplay.
Now onwards I would advice those who play for fun to decrease the amount so that they don't lose much when they lose the bets.

When they decide to play for profits will not get the fun or pleasure because they only think about how they can win on the game while they do not see how bigger their chance to win is. If they can only spend time to fun on the gambling game and somehow win, that will be a bonus for them. Yes, that is a good suggestion. It is better to reduce the amount of playing gambling and get fun with little money.

Having a good mindset is key about gambling it can prevent us from getting hooked on gambling. Especially games like slots where the buy in is fairly cheap and you can play it for hours without really losing a lot of money. But we need to be aware that winning the jackpot is very unlikely, it is like winning in the lottery larger amounts. Most of us will probably never be so lucky. Talking to the machine seems like a first step of addiction in my opinion. It creates a connection between us and the machine and makes it seem like we can influence something, but in reality we can't. It is just a machine with a code and randomness.

Yes, a good mindset will help us prevent getting deeper into gambling games because we will think that playing gambling is just a part of our lives. We will be okay if we do not play gambling and if we are playing gambling, we do not search for the win money but we only search for the fun thing and entertainment from the games. The slot machine can make us addicting as we will spend more money to win, but unfortunately, we can not break the code and will only get another loss.

That's what we are looking for in gambling, the words winning and losing are just relativity which is not really used as a reference. Even if you win, it's definitely better. But if we lose, we must immediately have the cure. Gambling is not so bad if we know what to do.

Yes, I am sure we will feel better if we win. But we need to know about the fact that not many of us can win from gambling. So when we lose, we need to realize that we will not have a big chance to recover the losses and it will be difficult to win the games.

[Slow death]

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines.

Are you sure your friend was addicted? maybe he just spent more of his time on the slot machines but he hadn't reached the level of being someone addicted of slot machines

He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it.

it also depends, it could be that your friend had to win and then lost and then won, in this cycle he would spend a long time playing without his bankroll ending

Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I believe people use this word as a way of saying they are confident they will win in the next round, even I use that word when I play something

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

I don't play slot games either

[Sterbens]

Yes, I am sure we will feel better if we win. But we need to know about the fact that not many of us can win from gambling. So when we lose, we need to realize that we will not have a big chance to recover the losses and it will be difficult to win the games.

Everyone returns to their respective luck, losing or winning becomes a cycle that cannot be avoided. Everything has its share when we can control gambling even if you lose, you will still be satisfied with what you bet.
Therefore, no one can motivate gambling other than oneself who is able to optimize gambling based on a fairly stable mentality to play.

[finaleshot2016]

You'll know that it's so hard because he was challenge by that slot machine and claiming that he'll beat that. I think he's motivated to win a game and I think this kind of person has a higher chance of getting addicted as he already challenging the gambling game, won't stop until he beat it. No one can break the code; if you're unlucky, you'll still lose, even if you're super motivated to play hard. Being motivated doesn't mean you'll get a win streak, sometimes it shows that you're ready to bet all just to win the game and sometimes end up losing all.

[stomachgrowls]

Yes, I am sure we will feel better if we win. But we need to know about the fact that not many of us can win from gambling. So when we lose, we need to realize that we will not have a big chance to recover the losses and it will be difficult to win the games.

Everyone returns to their respective luck, losing or winning becomes a cycle that cannot be avoided. Everything has its share when we can control gambling even if you lose, you will still be satisfied with what you bet.
Therefore, no one can motivate gambling other than oneself who is able to optimize gambling based on a fairly stable mentality to play.

We do have different;

-mindset
-impression
-views
-conception
-plans
-motives

Are these behaviors the same? Yes they are because we are just human and we do have different reaction on how to deal up into something
which can potentially earn us some money but majority hadnt realize on whats the risk behind and they do most likely discover it up
when its already too late.

[uneng]

~snip~
I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

Probably this neighbor didn't have knowledge about informatic, programming and house edge so he thought he could overcome the machine. It's a common thought among older people to think like this, because they have no idea how these machines work exactly or how they reach to the final result. I've seen people believing they could win if they click the button in a way or another, or even following a sequence of customized bets, as if it could trigger a bug in the system and reward them prizes constantly. Actually, a bug isn't impossible, but I doubt the bar/casino owner would let the machine there for too long if it was the case.

^ Actually the thing that comes up in their mind is not about the entertainment anymore, they think that there is one strategy that will increase their odds of winning for specific machines. Because they think that putting any amount still the same either it is on the maximum or in the minimum, there could be a possibility that you will lose. This theory they believe in is that the more you risk the more you can win, so probably in that way they can beat the machine but I don't know if they can actually break the code which is impossible. But on my own, just stick to your budget and move on once you had a loss.

It's impossible or near to impossible to break the code and even if it would happen there are many employees around following gamblers' progress in real time. If a machine is bugged, they will fastly shut it down and call a technician to repair the issue before someone else can start playing on this machine again.
 
On the other hand I know some people who are customers of a casino or another and they have a favorite machine to play during a specific period of the day when attending to these houses, because they suppose during that time the machine gives more rewards. Well, I'm sure something like that is possible in programming, but I'm not sure if it really happens in casinos.

Some might even say a determined machine likes them very much, so it's going to reward them more often. But this is already too much to be taken into consideration.

[Fredomago]

You'll know that it's so hard because he was challenge by that slot machine and claiming that he'll beat that. I think he's motivated to win a game and I think this kind of person has a higher chance of getting addicted as he already challenging the gambling game, won't stop until he beat it. No one can break the code, you'll still lose if you're unlucky and even you're super motivated to play hard.

Aside from luck and a very good emotion control nothing left for you but to lose even how motivated you are,

Most of the time gamblers think that way, they are energize thinking that they are can keep grinding out from the slots.

But in reality, most of that people who shared similar mindsets often lose a huge amount of money, and have a higher chance of  getting addicted to gambling.

Play and enjoy, never to think that you can easily beat the machines, it won't work that way!

[pinggoki]

Most of the people here may tell that the reason people seemingly humanizes what are otherwise non-living items was because of motivation is a bit incorrect for me. If you have watched Cast Away, you'd remember that Tom Hanks made a companion out of a volleyball and gave it a name, even going so far as to risk his life for it when he found out that he is not with him upon deserting the island. The point I am trying to make is that people may sometimes attach themselves to items that they have spent quite the time or effort with, almost to the point of humanizing them, that's why some people name their cars. The fact that they spent fortune and of course irretrievable time with the car or in your case the slot machine was enough to at least endow them with humane attributes.

You'll know that it's so hard because he was challenge by that slot machine and claiming that he'll beat that. I think he's motivated to win a game and I think this kind of person has a higher chance of getting addicted as he already challenging the gambling game, won't stop until he beat it. No one can break the code, you'll still lose if you're unlucky and even you're super motivated to play hard.

Aside from luck and a very good emotion control nothing left for you but to lose even how motivated you are,

Most of the time gamblers think that way, they are energize thinking that they are can keep grinding out from the slots.

But in reality, most of that people who shared similar mindsets often lose a huge amount of money, and have a higher chance of  getting addicted to gambling.

Play and enjoy, never to think that you can easily beat the machines, it won't work that way!

Thing is this is a bias of our brain that had been there since time immemorial, we can work around it but we will always fall under the same pit over and over again eventually. Although of course, just because it has been there as a part of our instinct doesn't mean it's normal.

[michellee]

Yes, I am sure we will feel better if we win. But we need to know about the fact that not many of us can win from gambling. So when we lose, we need to realize that we will not have a big chance to recover the losses and it will be difficult to win the games.

Everyone returns to their respective luck, losing or winning becomes a cycle that cannot be avoided. Everything has its share when we can control gambling even if you lose, you will still be satisfied with what you bet.
Therefore, no one can motivate gambling other than oneself who is able to optimize gambling based on a fairly stable mentality to play.

Yes, losing and winning become a cycle, but losing will dominate the gambling than the winning and that is happening for many people who play gambling. If we can enjoy the game and know when to stop, we will be satisfied with the result, even if we lose and think that the next days will be better than today. We can motivate ourselves that losing in gambling is normal but what is not normal is if we still continue playing without thinking about the big loss that can come to us. We can return to gambling in the next days but we should have control for ourselves.

[KTChampions]

Slot games give different experiences sometimes they want to play it because of the design of the roulette, the sound making of it and the lever if we are talking about the physical slot it gives a different kind of excitement when you play it's too hard to explain but it looks like satisfaction to yourself. Today we are already in a digital world so we have different online gambling platforms and now they make more animations so the eyes of the players get more active and caught by the game to play more. Of course, if you win the game there's a chance to get to play more.

To be honest, I have never understood the appeal of slot machines. In addition to music and bright colors, there is nothing in them. The player usually presses a button and waits for the result, it is super monotonous and there are no options to change the strategy of the game.

[taguig]

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

This is what happens if you spend hours in front of the machine, you breathe life into it and treat it like human that you can conquer, but I don't think he can break the code, of all gambling games, slots are one of the games that it's hard to beat, the house edge will always pull you down.

[Sterbens]

We do have different;

-mindset
-impression
-views
-conception
-plans
-motives

Are these behaviors the same? Yes they are because we are just human and we do have different reaction on how to deal up into something
which can potentially earn us some money but majority hadnt realize on whats the risk behind and they do most likely discover it up
when its already too late.

Yes, losing and winning become a cycle, but losing will dominate the gambling than the winning and that is happening for many people who play gambling. If we can enjoy the game and know when to stop, we will be satisfied with the result, even if we lose and think that the next days will be better than today. We can motivate ourselves that losing in gambling is normal but what is not normal is if we still continue playing without thinking about the big loss that can come to us. We can return to gambling in the next days but we should have control for ourselves.

Therefore I believe, they will learn from the first table game to another table very well. Losing no matter how many times they will find a point where he knows how to become a winner. Sometimes the motivation in gambling is born from previous defeats so that you can be careful and calm in controlling the situation. Because outwardly a person will get a boost if he has the will to win. As long as you have the belief to be a winner, then don't give up you will be at the most perfect point.

[mu_enrico]

it is super monotonous and there are no options to change the strategy of the game.

There are many progressive strategies for slot games, and you can activate it in-game for ELK Studios games:




The awesome thing about slots is it has many providers who each offers unique features: progressive betting, double chance of bonus round, gamble the result, etc.

[Fredomago]

Therefore I believe, they will learn from the first table game to another table very well. Losing no matter how many times they will find a point where he knows how to become a winner. Sometimes the motivation in gambling is born from previous defeats so that you can be careful and calm in controlling the situation. Because outwardly a person will get a boost if he has the will to win. As long as you have the belief to be a winner, then don't give up you will be at the most perfect point.

If you are good in observing those mistakes after several losses and you are willing to adjust,

sometimes that patterns things out to a much better gambling outcomes, when you have good anticipation and you manage to execute the right way.

Not easy but doable, though you must also consider that it can bring more risk as the will to win will continue to keep goig back, a never ending desire of breaking the codes and win decently.

[Oilacris]

Therefore I believe, they will learn from the first table game to another table very well. Losing no matter how many times they will find a point where he knows how to become a winner. Sometimes the motivation in gambling is born from previous defeats so that you can be careful and calm in controlling the situation. Because outwardly a person will get a boost if he has the will to win. As long as you have the belief to be a winner, then don't give up you will be at the most perfect point.

If you are good in observing those mistakes after several losses and you are willing to adjust,

sometimes that patterns things out to a much better gambling outcomes, when you have good anticipation and you manage to execute the right way.

Not easy but doable, though you must also consider that it can bring more risk as the will to win will continue to keep goig back, a never ending desire of breaking the codes and win decently.

Instinct would really be there and its just normal to have those kind of adjustment when we do see that it is repeatedly done or happening and since gambling doesnt really have any patterns then this would really be a

continous process which you shouldnt really have that kind of mindset because it would really be motivating you to play even more but to focus on something positive where adjustments made just for the sake of

entertaining yourself on playing gambling because not all would really be having the same behavior towards it.Some are desperate and some are just finding ways to enjoy.

[LUCKMCFLY]

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

Many years ago something like this had also crossed my mind, although I play the slot machines only as a way to de-stress, I do not seek to win in them, I just have fun, for this reason I have very little money to bet there. Based on the knowledge that any programmer can use against these machines, whether they are algorithms to break their code is something that turns out to be too unlikely if not impossible, now with all the development of artificial intelligence I do not know how much it may be possible to do it, although I still doubt it, I think that if artificial intelligence + quantum computing is developed it may be another story.

[michellee]

Yes, losing and winning become a cycle, but losing will dominate the gambling than the winning and that is happening for many people who play gambling. If we can enjoy the game and know when to stop, we will be satisfied with the result, even if we lose and think that the next days will be better than today. We can motivate ourselves that losing in gambling is normal but what is not normal is if we still continue playing without thinking about the big loss that can come to us. We can return to gambling in the next days but we should have control for ourselves.

Therefore I believe, they will learn from the first table game to another table very well. Losing no matter how many times they will find a point where he knows how to become a winner. Sometimes the motivation in gambling is born from previous defeats so that you can be careful and calm in controlling the situation. Because outwardly a person will get a boost if he has the will to win. As long as you have the belief to be a winner, then don't give up you will be at the most perfect point.

That will happen if that gambler can learn from his mistake to try hard to learn more and practice to get better than before. But we already see that even they learn more, it is still hard to win because there will be other players who have better skills than them and of course, the luck factor will be count on this. But if they motivate themselves by still learning, maybe someday, they will win but we do not know how much money they will use to reach that level. If that happens, maybe we need to realize that we can not always gamble if the situation is not right for us and we need to think that taking a break for a while will help us analyze more and learn more details.

[KTChampions]

it is super monotonous and there are no options to change the strategy of the game.

There are many progressive strategies for slot games, and you can activate it in-game for ELK Studios games:




The awesome thing about slots is it has many providers who each offers unique features: progressive betting, double chance of bonus round, gamble the result, etc.

It's interesting, but it's nothing more than automated money management. Even in a game as simple as dice, you can choose the odds you want to play with. This is not the case in slot machines, the whole game is reduced to pressing the start button and choosing the size of the bet. In my opinion, this is too primitive to play at least some long time in such games.

[Betwrong]

If the player is initially determined to find weaknesses in the code/algorithm of the slot machine and use it to win, then this is quite adequate (although in many cases it is illegal and it is necessary to look at the details in each individual case).

I think it is illegal in all conceivable cases. How can it be otherwise? Say, you find a weaknesses in a vending machine in the US: it accepts some Zimbabwean coins and gives you back change 100 times more valuable than the coins you inserted. Is it a weakness that can be exploited? Yes. Is it illegal to exploit it? Absolutely.

Your analogy is incorrect. Let's consider normal cases when, for example, a slot machine developer makes mistakes in algorithmization:

For example, I read that in some slot machine, after several losses, the player received a "hint" ie guaranteed to receive one win. At the same time, the slot machine did not take into account the change in the bet size, i.e. the player first lost on micro stakes and after that he was guaranteed to win at the maximum bet.

What could be illegal to beat this slot machine? An error in algorithmization is entirely a problem of the developer and the company that deals with these slot machines.

I agree, there's nothing illegal in that, unless it was stated in T&C that changing the bet size after receiving a "hint" wasn't allowed. If it was said in T&C, though, you wouldn't be sued for breaking that rule, but you wouldn't be able to withdraw the winnings either.

For example, if a player makes a "wrong" bet and, having lost, demands to return it back, everyone will laugh at this behavior. Why should we have a different approach if the opposite side makes a mistake?

This is a fair point, but in reality the "flaws" in the slot machines exist only in legends invented to keep you looking for them.