We need a new global moderator.

[Jet Cash]

I believe that political discussions and debates on social changes should be one of the most important boards for cryptocurrency users and innovators. Unfortunately the board here is full of trivia, and governemnt and pharma misinformation. The use of vaccines as "cures", the election of people like Biden, Macron and Boris Johnson shows the control the elite dynasties have over countries. The promotion of paedophilia and drug and alcohol abuse is changing families, and mass migration is destroying countries. The rising tide of debt will cause a massive transfer of wealth. It is difficult to discuss any of these topics in the political forum, and that saddens me.

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[PrimeNumber7]

Do I think these types of posts should be removed under a strict reading of forum rules? Yes, it is a low effort post.

So then you would be well within your right to report it. If I had my image deleted, I would know the community thought it was spam. If I posted it again and it was deleted again, then there would be no doubt in my mind. If I did it another 8 times, then I can't really complain about a temp ban. If that's still too lenient, then increase it to 20 posts or 50 posts in 30 days. Even then we would find no shortage of accounts hitting the threshold.

What the community thinks doesn't matter. Moderation is not a popularity contest, and the only consideration that should be used when moderating is if a post follows the rules.

As I noted in my previous post, it is my belief that an exception to the rules should be made for your posts I described. I believe the benefits to both my those specific posts outweigh the negatives. I don't report posts I believe should be allowed to remain.

My point is that if we were to implement a strict policy of banning people after x number of deleted posts, it becomes difficult to account for making exceptions to rules, as I advocate to in your case.

[Poker Player]

I believe that political discussions and debates on social changes should be one of the most important boards for cryptocurrency users and innovators. Unfortunately the board here is full of trivia, and governemnt and pharma misinformation.

The board is full of trivia but not precisely what you are thinking about.

The use of vaccines as "cures", the election of people like Biden, Macron and Boris Johnson shows the control the elite dynasties have over countries.

So the election of Biden (Democrat) Johnson (Conservative) and Macron (something in the middle) shows the control of the elite.

I don't know which is the right alternative for you, as there couldn't be more variety in those people you have mentioned. It seems like if any politician had been elected instead of those, that would also show the control of the elite. If you want you can create a thread in P&S and we can debate.

It is difficult to discuss any of these topics in the political forum, and that saddens me.

Freedom of speech is highly respected in P&S, as it is in general in the forum. There you can discuss whatever you want, that's why even some trivial threads and posts are allowed out of respect for that freedom.

To say that it is difficult to discuss the topics you want because people disagree with your views is another thing.

[actmyname]

If I though my thousands of reports would actually lead to change, rather than only cleaning things up for a matter of hours, I would be back at it in a heartbeat.

What if - and stop me if this sounds like the craziest idea ever - reports weren't restricted by post throttling?

If it takes me 4 seconds to report a post, even if I can instantaneously decide "spam/not spam"...

How long does it take for a spammer to post a new reply? 60 seconds? 120 seconds? Divide that by 4 seconds: how many spammers do I cancel out?

So, how many spammers are there in total?

_Oh.

Moderators can't see if a user has been reported or had x amount of posts deleted recently, unless they manually check via the modlog.

I often reported users with a comment along the lines of "I have x number of good reports against this user for spam in the last 30 days, please consider a ban", which was easy to do by simply visiting my reporter stats page and searching for their username. Even when I the number of reports I (never mind anyone else!) had against that user was in the order of 50+ or even 100+, they did not get banned.

Take my reports as an example and feel free to cross-reference the number of good reports (found in sent feedback and partially-filled in BPIP) against users. There have been some with multiple hundreds. And these aren't just posts here and there, they're every single post

[o_e_l_e_o]

What the community thinks doesn't matter. Moderation is not a popularity contest, and the only consideration that should be used when moderating is if a post follows the rules.

I wasn't suggesting it was a popularity contest, but rather the community as the forum as a whole. Someone would have had to report my post and a mod would have to agree with the report. If that happens to me ten times, then it is obvious to anyone that it is me who is in the wrong here.

My point is that if we were to implement a strict policy of banning people after x number of deleted posts, it becomes difficult to account for making exceptions to rules, as I advocate to in your case.

I don't think so. We make exceptions for plagiarism, no reason we can't do the same for spam. And even then, you could make the limit 50 posts per 30 days. There are very few users who would have 50 posts deleted for spamming in a 30 day period and actually be a net positive for the forum.

What if - and stop me if this sounds like the craziest idea ever - reports weren't restricted by post throttling?

Actually wouldn't make much difference to me. I always use suchmoon's script which will simply queue up all my reports and send one every 5 seconds (if I set it to 4 seconds then sometimes it messes up due to latency). It does mean that sometimes I have to walk away from my computer for 10 minutes while it processes the queue of reports I have generated though.

[actmyname]

What if - and stop me if this sounds like the craziest idea ever - reports weren't restricted by post throttling?

Actually wouldn't make much difference to me. I always use suchmoon's script which will simply queue up all my reports and send one every 5 seconds (if I set it to 4 seconds then sometimes it messes up due to latency). It does mean that sometimes I have to walk away from my computer for 10 minutes while it processes the queue of reports I have generated though.

One thing to note is that you can just set the promise interval less than 4 seconds, and it'll wrap around if you recursively call report_post on error. Adjust according to your latency.^*

_{*this is spaghetti code but has worked for me}

I typically report by the page, which means 20 replies x 4 seconds each: something like 30 to 40 pages adds up to 40 to 50 minutes of waiting. Or, an alternative metric: it takes a minimum of an hour of waiting to submit every 1,000 reports you make.

Taking a very rough metric as the stats page only measures up to 2017 (at ~50,000 posts/day), checking the delta of message IDs over the past month: 57699315 to 57465182, which is 234133.

I'll take 200,000 as a conservative measure: that's 8333 posts per hour, of which you want the equivalent of 8 people * (% of spam posts) constantly reporting, 24/7.

How much spam is there, then? 10%? One person? 20%? Two people? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

For every 1% of spam that is produced by the forum every month, you will waste at least 2.2 hours of waiting for submission^⸸. I can assure you that there are still enough posts of low enough quality to where you can find them faster than your queue finishes. One positive, though, is that you only need 2 people out of ~10000 in the active user base to act as report martyrs if say, 25% of new replies are spam. Fewer than the number of global moderators we have: surely, there's no problem.

⸸ _{may be true or false depending on definition used}

[NotATether]

Although definitely not in need of a board report cleanup, I can moderate the Bitcoin Wiki subboard if there's any interest (all the current mods are inactive here).

[nutildah]

What theymos thinks happens in P&S:



What really happens in P&S:

  Online information can mis lead information for everyone. Today more spreading a fake news or information and because of that more people believe and mis interpret, The best thing to do to avoid this situation we must know and updated of the news, just listened to the reliable resources not just in the people opinion this can help us to avoid Online misinformation.

A new breed of posters have managed to adapt to the rules where they can crank out a shitpost and not have it deleted because it does not technically violate any pre-existing rules. I'm honestly not sure what the remedy is but being over-run by cheeseball sig campaigners cheapens the forum and makes us all look like morons.

Honestly: if you were visiting the forum for the first time and didn't know that people got paid to post here, you'd take one look through Bitcoin Discussion and think "Wow, a lot of people write way too much about nothing."

I don't really mind the loud mental illness aspect of P&S, that's a byproduct of giving everybody equal access to a platform.

I don't know what the solution is either short of continuing to add people to my ignore list.

[Laudanum]

Always fun to drop by and read the self important non achievers and no coiners harping on about the " improvements " Theymos should introduce to the forum.

Lol, maybe theymos is now catching on, that the bunch of sig spamming greedy slime here, made up of escrow scammers, self defined willing scam facilitators for pay, and the rag tag bunch of trust abusing dumb fucks only give out suggestions that suits them.

I mean look at the pathetic 200 online total members here now? Take your serial sig spammers aka anything managed by hhampuz, darkstar and yahoo away? What do you have left in your echo chamber to moderate?

A new global moderator lol? What's wrong with hilarious selection you've got now. All you need to do is swap the text on hilarious and co's control panel to the inverse and you're good to go.

Of course you could add nutildah who like to delete his own post history when hes trying to hide evidence of his own willing to facilitate scamming for 300bucks
Someone begging for 0.02 btc not long ago.
I'm not joking when I say he could be the least damaging global mod from the current suggestions here.

Prime number 7 ? This is the worst possible choice, I would see suchmoon as global mod before that slimy snake cunt.
That devious skank would manipulate that position and is the least trustworthy person here I believe now.
So that could be an endorsement as far as Theymos is concerned.

Just look as what quicksellout7 is proposing ..that is perfectly fine and correct to slap lies and misleading claims demanding threads be terminated with dont feed the troll bullshit.

When

1. Oloeieo fails when challenged to present even 1 instance of trolling ever.

2. More importantly fails to even challenge the inconvenient truths being labelled falsely as trolling.

This is actually scam facilitating that PN7 is supporting here.
If you try to mislead people into believing independently verifiable evidence of financially motivated wrong doing is trolling in other words conclusively debunked garbage you are facilitating scamming.

Pn7 aka quicksellout for years was constantly claiming lauda was a proven scammer and produced evidence to corroborate that.
Then when lauda has also red tagged and flagged quicksellout and had claimed he was a proven scammer.

Then what happens ? Lauda tags PN7 and suddenly quicksellout7 and lauda at the same time that both are not scammers after all. Qs7 retracts and delete a bunch of evidence he has stood behind for years just to be able to earn some money on his new account without a red from lauda.

You would see this kind of weasel as global mod. You will make the forum a laughing stock more than it is now.

Sure hilarious and co is a totally biased scammer supporting parasite, but as far as I know is not actually a scammer himself. Lets not sink further than that for the admin level here.

What this forum needs is to delete all sigs and then you'll need less mods.

Or it needs objective clearly defined standards that are enforced equally to all members.

Maybe Theymos needs someone as global mod that has never had one of their posts regarding the trust system, nor a post regarding the on topic and relevant nature of a post debunked or successfully refuted even though they have been challenged 100s of times?  Someone who's isn't here to eat ass and chum up with other broken down scumbags to eek out some btc dust? Isn't afraid to do what is required to rid the forum of the parasites draining it and making it a deserted echo chamber.

No no that's just a silly idea... sorry.

The fact the forum can even take seriously what proven scammers and willing scam facilitators for pay have to say regarding the operation of this forum is hilarious.

Then when you look at the only people that respond to or engage with these proven financially dangerous scum you notice it is simply more of their ilk. Couple of exceptions myself being one of those.

The forum does not need more global mods it needs one global mod that can successfully defend all of their actions publically when a novel action is taken that has not been defended successfully before. When taking into account the rules. Whilst introducing a sensible permitted flow for everyone to follow.

No sigs for anyone will soon fix 90% of the spam, the rest can be taken out under the sensible " trolling " definition of posting previously conclusively debunked garbage as true or Visa versa.

Nobody would support such a global mod because most of the dregs posting in this thread would be either banned or sig banned for life by now. Couple or exceptions maybe

Keep entertaining me though no coiner non achieving dregs with these self important demands that will make all the difference to the handful of posters that are not just here to sig spam for dust.

Hilarious and co does a great job of ensuring nobody takes the mods here for serious enthusiasts trying to improve the forum. Rather just using multiple accounts to eek max dust whilst supporting scammers abusing their whistleblowers since they feel that helps them retain their sig dust spots.

Then the forum acts all shocked that other very well known members of the original bitcoin community go around reporting that this forum is a biased and broken echo chamber full of non achieving insignificant losers.

I mean feel free to debunk any points I've made.

I nominate The-Mod-Above-All

[o_e_l_e_o]

I don't know what the solution is either short of continuing to add people to my ignore list.

I still think the solution is the one I've outlined above - ban the spammers, punish the campaigns, punish the managers.

Deleting individual posts in isolation does nothing. A sig spammer is always incentivized to make more, and can churn them out just as fast as we can report them. If you start doing something which will actually affect their income - temp bans - then they may be motivated to change. If after multiple temp bans they are still not motivated to change, then a permanent ban provides no loss to the forum.

Most managers similarly have no incentive to clean up their act. Properly moderating their participants and monitoring post quality takes time and effort. Why bother doing that when you can just put in the minimum amount of effort and get paid the same amount? There is literally no downside at present to them doing this, since they are never punished for promoting spam. Start handing out temp bans to managers not doing their job properly, and they become incentivized to weed out spam and spammers.

And the worst of the worst campaigns, such as Yobit, can be banned from the forum directly.

-snip-

Has anyone got a blank copy of my cryptohunter bingo card? I'm travelling away from home right now. This post might be our best result yet!

[Laudanum]

I don't know what the solution is either short of continuing to add people to my ignore list.

I still think the solution is the one I've outlined above - ban the spammers, punish the campaigns, punish the managers.

Deleting individual posts in isolation does nothing. A sig spammer is always incentivized to make more, and can churn them out just as fast as we can report them. If you start doing something which will actually affect their income - temp bans - then they may be motivated to change. If after multiple temp bans they are still not motivated to change, then a permanent ban provides no loss to the forum.

Most managers similarly have no incentive to clean up their act. Properly moderating their participants and monitoring post quality takes time and effort. Why bother doing that when you can just put in the minimum amount of effort and get paid the same amount? There is literally no downside at present to them doing this, since they are never punished for promoting spam. Start handing out temp bans to managers not doing their job properly, and they become incentivized to weed out spam and spammers.

And the worst of the worst campaigns, such as Yobit, can be banned from the forum directly.

-snip-

Has anyone got a blank copy of my cryptohunter bingo card? I'm travelling away from home right now. This post might be our best result yet!

Hey dummy safe trip by the way.

Now just in case the worst was to befall you,  could you try to debunk anything I have said rather than hiding behind your bingo cards or other scam facilitating provably bogus negative value contributions?

No? Lol

Anyway I'm just here discussing the need for a new global mod and the fine proposals to fill those shoes.

So far we have quicksellout7 who naturally being an escrow scammer and proven liar agrees with your right to post lies and misleading demands rather than answering legitimate questions.  Already demonstrating he would be a great selection for admin.

[nutildah]

Deleting individual posts in isolation does nothing. A sig spammer is always incentivized to make more, and can churn them out just as fast as we can report them. If you start doing something which will actually affect their income - temp bans - then they may be motivated to change. If after multiple temp bans they are still not motivated to change, then a permanent ban provides no loss to the forum.

That sounds good to me.

The problem is the rules need something between a slight adjustment and a complete overhaul. A lot of posts are empty calorie garbage but don't technically break any rules, thus they're not likely to be deleted and I'm not likely to report them.

-snip-

Has anyone got a blank copy of my cryptohunter bingo card? I'm travelling away from home right now. This post might be our best result yet!

Speaking of giving equal footing to the mentally ill. I was almost tempted to take him off ignore but nah. Can't recall ever thinking "that was a good move, glad I did that" as a result.

[Kittygalore]

What I worry though is that we might see a tyrant GM rising that will probably Frodocooper a lot of discussions if you know what I mean. Probably it's that we do what @suchmoon is doing, ignore. It's a bliss sometimes.

[o_e_l_e_o]

A lot of posts are empty calorie garbage but don't technically break any rules, thus they're not likely to be deleted and I'm not likely to report them.

Those kind of posts are easily covered by rule 1 - zero/low value, pointless, or uninteresting. I've reported thousands of posts like that (literally) with the simple comment "Low value spam", and my 100% accuracy suggests that the mods don't often disagree with my assessment of these posts. The problem is I could spend all day reporting such posts, and sometimes did, and by the time I woke up the next day there would be twice as many new spam posts to work through. Reporting the same user 100+ times and seeing no action taken against them is a pretty strong indication that you are wasting your time playing a never ending game of whac-a-mole.

[Laudanum]

Deleting individual posts in isolation does nothing. A sig spammer is always incentivized to make more, and can churn them out just as fast as we can report them. If you start doing something which will actually affect their income - temp bans - then they may be motivated to change. If after multiple temp bans they are still not motivated to change, then a permanent ban provides no loss to the forum.

That sounds good to me.

The problem is the rules need something between a slight adjustment and a complete overhaul. A lot of posts are empty calorie garbage but don't technically break any rules, thus they're not likely to be deleted and I'm not likely to report them.

-snip-

Has anyone got a blank copy of my cryptohunter bingo card? I'm travelling away from home right now. This post might be our best result yet!

Speaking of giving equal footing to the mentally ill. I was almost tempted to take him off ignore but nah. Can't recall ever thinking "that was a good move, glad I did that" as a result.

Ah, the new global mod pipes up.

I don't know why anyone here including notildah believes that anyone who's not a not a broke down no coiner bum that needs to eat DT ass cares at all about your ignore list.

So once again mr prospective mod why don't you pick something I've said and try to debunk it or even form some semblance of a rebuttal rather than running away hiding behind the old mental Illness, trolling etc

Another mod? Let's get one mod that actually dares to present a robust case for their actions that can withstand transparent analysis and probing without collapsing to reveal it is just the actions of a person looking out for their own financial interests and just doing what is required to remain part of the meta human centipede riding on the merit = trust = darkstar hhampuz yahoo self serving gravy train.

How about some objective standards that are transparent and clear to which all members are measured equally ?

The examples given by nutildah are clearly not even realistic.
That bot generated post is clearly not sneakily weaving it's way through loop holes in the rules.

It is low value meaningless rubbish and would be deleted instantly.

However the post to which i refer is not as low value as many that get merit, many of the posts by DT, mods, merit sources are provably false and have previously been conclusively debunked. I mean their posts are trolling and in many cases a form of scam facilitating.

You don't need more mods, you need independently wealthy mods that dont need to spam sigs, dont require payment and are objective and honest and under no pressure to befriend or side with scum bags to continue eeking out their dust here.
Mods that can field robust, credible and  transparent arguments and reasoning to justify their actions.
If their actions are not based on objective and robust reasoning that stands up to scrutiny they are not suitable as mods.

It really isn't that difficult.

The best part for the objective and discerning reader here is that whenever there's an independently verifiable but inconvenient truth or any form of argument they cant cope with the DT fools start boasting they will place you on ignore?  as if that makes them appear anything but pathetic and corrupt. Then say oh its lovely and peaceful in our provably corrupt and pathetic echo chamber. The back slapping human centipede just continues to entertain.  

The best mod would clearly be the person that has been challenged the most but has never had any of their points regarding the trust system, merit system, permitted flow, DT etc debunked even once ever.
Clearly that type of person is the supreme and credible selection for The-Mod-Above-All.

Anyway, that's all the time I can donate to helping the forum for this month.
Unless I see some special effort, appreciation and incentive to hang around.

[Hhampuz]

With all due respect laudanum or ch or whoever-the-fuck, suck a dick and get a life, loser.

[The-Mod-Above-All]

I nominate The-Mod-Above-All

Clearly that type of person is the supreme and credible selection for The-Mod-Above-All.

Hi, it's me. Make me a mod now plz thermos.

P.S. cryptohunter is a twat.

[Laudanum]

With all due respect laudanum or ch or whoever-the-fuck, suck a dick and get a life, loser.

This is perfect example of a negative value, off topic effort from a corrupt campaign manager and ex garbage collector.... well I say Ex but is collecting more garbage continuously on his campaigns.

Are you sure you posted on the correct thread ?

You've made no attempt to stay on topic or even debate the merits of a new global mod?

This is a debate for anointing another global mod ? Your post seems off topic and irrelevant?

Of course no mod will delete it because their dust could depend on it.
Hence the mess of  allowing mods to have a clear conflict of interests.

Come to my Roobet thread ( which I have a feeling could get busy over the coming weeks )
I guess that's what has rattled your cage really scumbag.

When I'm global mod you and your campaigns are in for a shake up. Everyone will get a fair crack at sig spots, except proven scammers. The rest will be measured fairly against objective standards, not just let my pals and those that give me some backhanders on the gravy train.

Now pick specific on topic points and tackle them, debunk what I've said or just run away like usual and keep milking the forum with your parasitic pals.


@ the pretend The-Mod-Above-All  

Now that's what I call effort and appreciation. I wasnt going to spend any further time here for a month or two but since you've gone that extra mile put in that effort and attempt at humor.  I'll stick around and help the forum a lot lot more.

[nutildah]

Those kind of posts are easily covered by rule 1 - zero/low value, pointless, or uninteresting. I've reported thousands of posts like that (literally) with the simple comment "Low value spam", and my 100% accuracy suggests that the mods don't often disagree with my assessment of these posts. The problem is I could spend all day reporting such posts, and sometimes did, and by the time I woke up the next day there would be twice as many new spam posts to work through. Reporting the same user 100+ times and seeing no action taken against them is a pretty strong indication that you are wasting your time playing a never ending game of whac-a-mole.

Alright well I'm just gonna suck it up and start reporting all/more shitposts as "zero/low value, pointless, or uninteresting"... is that the exact verbiage from the rule?

And I thought newbies could be banned for spamming if they had a certain enough posts deleted. Maybe that's an area of penalization that could be re-invigorated.

Frankly this put a damper on my enthusiasm, which is why I didn't respond earlier:

At the moment, the number of unhandled reports is at an all time low, so don't expect much change there (but a surprise is always possible).

Except surely the all-time low for unhandled reports was previous to the filing of the forum's first report.

[o_e_l_e_o]

is that the exact verbiage from the rule?

More or less:

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.