Bithobo.com — Provably Fair Dream Catcher

[boyptc]

He is not a "gambler" he deposited because he found out the game's results before they were played. We are resolving his case with him privately right now.

Do you have any leads how did it happened and where he got the exposed secret keys result before it was played?

Isn't that a flaw in your platform but getting to know that early makes you aware to fix it as soon as possible.

[Mahanton]

We offer instant deposits and withdrawals.

So where is your instant withdrawal? I think this was the first withdrawal request from the forum gambler where you promised instant withdrawal. Even withdrawal requests weren't much big. For me, it's really not a good sign. You should take a look immediately in this case and update here what was the issue. Otherwise, you will lose faith in the forum before gain it.

Site recovered but my INSTANT withdrawal still didn't processed

Still not yet confirmed your withdrawal request?

He is not a "gambler" he deposited because he found out the game's results before they were played. We are resolving his case with him privately right now.

Surprising! Means there were technical problems in your site and @hauzenberg have taken advantage of that. If it's true, then that's your problem, you should identify the issue and solve it as soon as possible. If hauzenberg tells the truth then you should award him due to point you the bug. I am not much expert and can't determine who is cheating. A statement from hauzenberg clears the suspension. Just ask him to post here once you solved the issue.

If thats the case then this would really be ending up on both agreements between the two neither he would really get some bug bounty or would really be receiving nothing at all

but as an ethical thing to be done then he is really worth on getting something because exposing some bugs or something like that.

[Haunebu]

but as an ethical thing to be done then he is really worth on getting something because exposing some bugs or something like that.

Based on Bithobo support's clarification earlier, it seems like he didn't inform them about the bug at all. He simply took advantage of it in order to win a lot of games and tried to withdraw his winnings which Bithobo refused.

If this is the actual truth, the ethical thing to do here is to ban him from their site and improve the security of the site drastically in order to prevent more such cases asap.

[Twinkledoe]

but as an ethical thing to be done then he is really worth on getting something because exposing some bugs or something like that.

Based on Bithobo support's clarification earlier, it seems like he didn't inform them about the bug at all. He simply took advantage of it in order to win a lot of games and tried to withdraw his winnings which Bithobo refused.

If this is the actual truth, the ethical thing to do here is to ban him from their site and improve the security of the site drastically in order to prevent more such cases asap.

Let us see how will this pans out. In case, the site should just return the initial deposit of hauzenberg and ban his account afterwards. If they have potential bugs to resolve, they need to provide rewards for those who find bugs on their site so people will not take advantage if they found one. There will always be people like that.

[hauzenberg]

Whoa, big words here!

No, I didn't find any bugs expect that I need to reload after almost every bet because countdown won't start again after rolling was done. Another bug I found and reported on chat (which you can see) is this:
https://i.imgur.com/NUg4PZX.png

But nothing will expose outcome of the game or seed or whatever.

I have question for your. I deposited $50 and requested cashout of $76.5, do you really think I would CHEAT for $16..??

The thing is that I placed multiple bets for every round

1, 2, 5
or
1, 2, 40
(with some exceptions trying to figure out best strategy).

1 = 23/54
2 = 15/54
5 = 7/54

45/54 = 86% chance on win.

I played ~30 bets in total I think. On ALMOST every bet there was 2 misses and 1 hit which gives me my money back or some profit. Sometimes I lose on every 3 places bets, yeah...

And best of all is - YOU DELETED MY BET HISTORY - and now I cannot confirm my words without this.
https://i.imgur.com/MolCi5r.png

[panjul07]

We offer instant deposits and withdrawals.

So where is your instant withdrawal? I think this was the first withdrawal request from the forum gambler where you promised instant withdrawal. Even withdrawal requests weren't much big. For me, it's really not a good sign. You should take a look immediately in this case and update here what was the issue. Otherwise, you will lose faith in the forum before gain it.

Site recovered but my INSTANT withdrawal still didn't processed

Still not yet confirmed your withdrawal request?

He is not a "gambler" he deposited because he found out the game's results before they were played. We are resolving his case with him privately right now.

Surprising! Means there were technical problems in your site and @hauzenberg have taken advantage of that. If it's true, then that's your problem, you should identify the issue and solve it as soon as possible. If hauzenberg tells the truth then you should award him due to point you the bug. I am not much expert and can't determine who is cheating. A statement from hauzenberg clears the suspension. Just ask him to post here once you solved the issue.

Bithobo accused hauzenberg knowing the result before the game is played, if it is true then basically hauzenberg should have been able to win big (at least bet with the max amount).
Looking at the requested withdrawal, the profit made by hauzenberd is less than his deposited amount so it does not really make senses for me because I think real cheater wont be risking bigger amount for smaller profit.
Logically, if someone/cheater knows that there is a way to make profit easily with a system/bug abuse then the cheater will try to rob the available bankroll as much as possible.
I do not mean to defend hauzenberg but there should be a clear clarification/explanation as well as proof from bithobo that hauzenberg did cheat on the game.

[Twinkledoe]

Whoa, big words here!

No, I didn't find any bugs expect that I need to reload after almost every bet because countdown won't start again after rolling was done. Another bug I found and reported on chat (which you can see) is this:
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I played ~30 bets in total I think. On ALMOST every bet there was 2 misses and 1 hit which gives me my money back or some profit. Sometimes I lose on every 3 places bets, yeah...

And best of all is - YOU DELETED MY BET HISTORY - and now I cannot confirm my words without this.

That's not fair. They should have not deleted your bet history especially you are raising your concern here. Where is bithobo? They should have not done that. And if the money involved is not that big, the site should resolved this fast and in fair resolution. In this way, they will earn trust from the users here.

[TheGreatPython]

Based on Bithobo support's clarification earlier, it seems like he didn't inform them about the bug at all. He simply took advantage of it in order to win a lot of games and tried to withdraw his winnings which Bithobo refused.

If this is the actual truth, the ethical thing to do here is to ban him from their site and improve the security of the site drastically in order to prevent more such cases asap.

Let us see how will this pans out. In case, the site should just return the initial deposit of hauzenberg and ban his account afterwards. If they have potential bugs to resolve, they need to provide rewards for those who find bugs on their site so people will not take advantage if they found one. There will always be people like that.

I understand the "pay people to find bugs" type of thing, it is done by many people and many places and I agree that it doesn't sound that bad at all, it is basically just a way to make people work for free until they are actually useful, that way you do not pay some staff member to do nothing for not finding something, you only pay when there is actually proof of hard work. However I do not agree that anyone who finds one and abuses it should be given their money back, basically just either notify the website or be banned about it if you ask me.

[Bithobo.com]

Whoa, big words here!

No, I didn't find any bugs expect that I need to reload after almost every bet because countdown won't start again after rolling was done. Another bug I found and reported on chat (which you can see) is this:
-

I played ~30 bets in total I think. On ALMOST every bet there was 2 misses and 1 hit which gives me my money back or some profit. Sometimes I lose on every 3 places bets, yeah...

And best of all is - YOU DELETED MY BET HISTORY - and now I cannot confirm my words without this.
https://i.imgur.com/MolCi5r.png

That's not fair. They should have not deleted your bet history especially you are raising your concern here. Where is bithobo? They should have not done that. And if the money involved is not that big, the site should resolved this fast and in fair resolution. In this way, they will earn trust from the users here.

The history got deleted for ALL the players since we had to remake entire game log from scratch with a new server secret.

[lienfaye]

Welcome to the forum
I visit your site and find it quite simple. The dark mode is really suiting.
I suggest to consider having a faucets to test the game and buy a copper membership so you can post image to make your thread attractive.

I have question for your. I deposited $50 and requested cashout of $76.5, do you really think I would CHEAT for $16..??

What happened in your case? Are you able to withdraw now?

[hauzenberg]

The history got deleted for ALL the players since we had to remake entire game log from scratch with a new server secret.

I don't know what to say to this. You deleted the proofs.

What happened in your case? Are you able to withdraw now?

No, my withdrawal is still stuck in "processing".

This is email I received from them:

Hello hauzenberg,

We have detected suspicious pattern that has resulted in you winning almost 100% of the all the bets you placed during your long session.

As our server secret was briefly exposed, we need to make sure that you did not know the results of the games beforehand.

Please let us know so we can finally complete your withdrawal request.

All the best,

Cheesecake

I already replied there in the thread to this big words. No, I did not found a bug. I did not found server secret. I did not known result before game.
you winning almost 100% of the all the bets you placed - it is because my win chance was around 86% if my calculations are correct and I only placed around 30 bets if I remember correctly. Just to try site. And I didn't won every times and you agree with that.
during your long session - this is lie.

I'm high roller, I just wanted to see how your site is because I like non-standard type of games. Please proceed with my withdrawal or refund my deposit and that will be all from me.

[AmoreJaz]

The history got deleted for ALL the players since we had to remake entire game log from scratch with a new server secret.

I don't know what to say to this. You deleted the proofs.

What happened in your case? Are you able to withdraw now?

No, my withdrawal is still stuck in "processing".

This is email I received from them:

Hello hauzenberg,

We have detected suspicious pattern that has resulted in you winning almost 100% of the all the bets you placed during your long session.

As our server secret was briefly exposed, we need to make sure that you did not know the results of the games beforehand.

Please let us know so we can finally complete your withdrawal request.

All the best,

Cheesecake

I already replied there in the thread to this big words. No, I did not found a bug. I did not found server secret. I did not known result before game.
you winning almost 100% of the all the bets you placed - it is because my win chance was around 86% if my calculations are correct and I only placed around 30 bets if I remember correctly. Just to try site. And I didn't won every times and you agree with that.
during your long session - this is lie.

I'm high roller, I just wanted to see how your site is because I like non-standard type of games. Please proceed with my withdrawal or refund my deposit and that will be all from me.

if the site can't give strong proof that you violated any of their ToS, which right now the content of their ToS is very short, they should return your initial deposit to move on in this case. if they will keep those money for themselves, which i assume is not that big, then, something is wrong with how they handle with player's issues here. dont think they will go far if simple things like this is not resolved in timely manner.

[nakamura12]

Both sides have said their part but my opinion is that, bithobo might be the one who doesn't want to pay hauzenberg the withdrawal. Why did I say this?. First, hauzenberg deposited and play as hauzenberg said and won then process a withdrawal of the btc then bithobo sent an email stating that hauzenberg is suspicious and then bet history is gone. It is very much like a cover up to avoid paying the gambler by using the issue of server secret being exposed. I'm guessing that the next bithobo will reply might prove that hauzenberg did cheat or take advantage of a bug. I don't defend both sides so let's wait for both and see what they will say. Let's wait for bithobo to prove the suspension on hauzenberg for cheating.

Bithobo should resolve this issue by providing proof that hauzenberg really did cheat or violate any rules or take advantage of a bug if really wanted to run a legit gambling site.

I already replied there in the thread to this big words. No, I did not found a bug. I did not found server secret. I did not known result before game.
you winning almost 100% of the all the bets you placed - it is because my win chance was around 86% if my calculations are correct and I only placed around 30 bets if I remember correctly. Just to try site. And I didn't won every times and you agree with that.
during your long session - this is lie.

I'm high roller, I just wanted to see how your site is because I like non-standard type of games. Please proceed with my withdrawal or refund my deposit and that will be all from me.

This is why I never deposit any funds on a site that I am not sure if it is trusted or not and once it is proven to be trusted then i'll deposit but for fun and wasting bored time only.

[hauzenberg]

I really can't believe why would anyone scam for $16. @nakamura12 thanks for support but it's really unbelievable that site refuses to pay $16 win. I mean, I really don't want that $16, I just want my deposit back. And really I just deposited $50 to try site, not to actually gamble. I'm high roller and I'm just trying new kind of game with (for me) small amount of money. I really liked the game, I would definitely play on this site big amounts if the website is legit, but it seems not to be.

Waiting for @OP response.

[nakamura12]

I really can't believe why would anyone scam for $16. @nakamura12 thanks for support but it's really unbelievable that site refuses to pay $16 win. I mean, I really don't want that $16, I just want my deposit back. And really I just deposited $50 to try site, not to actually gamble. I'm high roller and I'm just trying new kind of game with (for me) small amount of money. I really liked the game, I would definitely play on this site big amounts if the website is legit, but it seems not to be.

Waiting for @OP response.

Don't thank me. I am not defending you or anything like that. I only state the facts about the issue and as what I read from both yours and bithobo replies , you have most likely in advantage because of deleted bet history but this won't be enough as bithobo did say about you possibly cheating or taking advantage of a bug. Let's just wait for bithobo to reply and see which side is saying the truth.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Hello and Welcome to the Forum,

I registered on the site and to be starting they are not doing it wrong, it seems to me that the site is good and if I support the motion that they can have a faucet for players to try the roulette and thus trust when making the deposit.
Seeing in the thread the problem with one of the forum members, it would be great if they could fix it, here the reputation on the platforms is very important, it is what determines the future for customers and the ability to create a community that helps grow to site.

[Bitinity]

The history got deleted for ALL the players since we had to remake entire game log from scratch with a new server secret.

Did you delete it all without any back up for the data? If you delete it all, how could you provide a proof when there is something happened like above case?

Waiting for @OP response.

So your withdrawal is still stuck on the website? Bithobo previously said that they are resolving it with you privately, how is it going? How do they try to resolve it or at least what is their offer to you for this case? If there is no win-win solution for this, and if you feels that you are getting scammed then I do think it is better if you create a scam accusation thread against bithobo. Probably with scam accusation thread, bithobo will try to resolve your issue better and faster.

[LimLims]

Oh yes another wheel game.
It’s a great theme to be honest and yes the game design too pretty good.
But here at Bitcointalk the OP should have been well designed.
Moreover admin what’s the max bet that we can make on the site?
And what if we deposit a sum in a device and try to play with another device, as the site doesn’t accept registrations.
Waiting for your reply.

[rodskee]

The history got deleted for ALL the players since we had to remake entire game log from scratch with a new server secret.

Did you delete it all without any back up for the data? If you delete it all, how could you provide a proof when there is something happened like above case?

Deleting all the history ? what about those players that has issues and just recently that they find out? and what about those who has question about their bets ? and have the team update all the players at least before deleting all the game history ? because this seems to be a controversial action and very not trustworthy because if the gambling site can do this easily how can the players be assured that all their history are safe in case of filing issues in the future?

[Bitinity]

Oh yes another wheel game.
It’s a great theme to be honest and yes the game design too pretty good.
But here at Bitcointalk the OP should have been well designed.
Moreover admin what’s the max bet that we can make on the site?
And what if we deposit a sum in a device and try to play with another device, as the site doesn’t accept registrations.
Waiting for your reply.

You can say the design is the pretty good means that you have visited the website at least but how can you say that the site does not accept registration while in fact you can register an account. Means that you can play on any other devices with your registered account. Are you drunk at the moment so you do not see the register button? The max bet information is also available on the Help page, spend your time more to know what you are looking for is better than asking about something which is available on the website.