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August 02, 2021, 10:23:42 PM
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We are a forum of people that saw potential in bitcoin's profitability, technology, or the help it could offer our future societies. People may argue that we are but following a blind faith but the thing is there are multiple evidences that bitcoin can indeed do this and overcome the obstacles that it is faced currently. but I digress. The thing I'm trying to point out is that bitcoin is no religion, nor is bitcoin or Satoshi Nakamoto for that matter a god. It's one thing to be thankful and happy that we are able to experience bitcoin, it's another to think that bitcoin is the new-age Jesus and Satoshi Nakamoto the one true god.
When it comes to religion, there is a lot of take on it and unexplainable scenarios about it tagged mysteries but then, bitcoin has got nothing mystical about it. It's completely open and one can get understanding at any level, asking the right questions and making researches to meet up.
I get it that, having some sort of idea amongst a group of crypto enthusiast would bond them in a way but then, its far from religion because, if you look at it, there are a lot of persons that have varying religion but still, they get to bond in a way. Even at that, bitcoin has never promised anyone anything but then, it lives you to your own level of satisfaction in contrast to religion that promises rewards and punishment based on certain involvements I course of your living. Bitcoin is Jo religion.
Exactly. And the fact that we follow bitcoin because there is evidence in our reasons is enough proof to dignify that bitcoin is no religious thing. We just happen to be believing in the potential that bitcoin could input into our lives and not necessarily to bitcoin itself becoming the true solution to all of our physical and existential problems, much like what a god would be.



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August 02, 2021, 10:36:11 PM
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It seems like some people try to make the most outrageous claims and turn them into articles just for clicks. Cointelegraph is one of the oldest examples of a true shitpost that has been publishing click-baits for years.
Cointelegraph gets so much praise that its unbearable sometimes they are the worst in the news scene for Bitcoin and I wont give them any clicks. I think they make these kinds of statements to make Bitcoin look bad like we are some cult that is planning evil things instead of a currency.
Well its just normal with these news outlets on something just to have to post or published neither it would be negative or positive for bitcoin then it doesn't matter because they do only concern for the
views which is already an expected thing to have in minds on those news sites.

Idea of bitcoin as a religion? for some impression just like on what you had mentioned about cult and its not a new thing because those things had been here on this market for a while.

Just like on what others been saying that investment shouldn't really be tagged up with religion because its a different thing.

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August 02, 2021, 11:33:40 PM
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We have discussed it many times. There are already some threads specifically to discuss a such topic. I think it is not necessary to create a new thread about this issue. Please take a look at these threads first, you probably got the answer.
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157149.0
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161552.0
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=311384.0
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1092155.0

In my perspective, Bitcoin will never be a religion. Bitcoin is a technology and it is human-made. Religion never comes from human creation, it is purely coming from God. Sorry, I think the idea of Bitcoin as a religion doesn't make sense.

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August 02, 2021, 11:43:41 PM
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He just compared what he did and what he must do when in times of hardship.

Thinking that bitcoin could also be a religion is literally odd. What we're going to see in the future? bitcoinism? well, that's enough I guess and there's no need to bring up such a topic that brings religion and bitcoin at the same as a comparison.

But that's an idea that I have never thought of before.

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No, in my opinion, bitcoin cannot solve this problem, since it works in a slightly different plane and does not participate directly in the real sector of the economy. Inflation, overproduction, debt, offsetting payments, crises, this is not for cryptocurrency. Cryptocurrency has its own functions and methods of solving its problems. The author of this topic does not offer any of his own options for solving the problem of debt with cryptocurrency. He generally wonders if this is possible at all. No, this is not a job for cryptocurrency. Let the states deal with their debts themselves.

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August 03, 2021, 05:23:45 AM
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Bitcoin is like a religion for me since I spend so much time thinking about it and hoping it will make my life better.  
Some people will say I worship my crypto since I talk about it so much like some people always talk about a god.

God will also punish you if you forget to worship him or if you do not keep the values that he asks you to though:) So Roger Ver and Craig Wright, if Bitcoin were a religion, should already be punished and gone to Bitcoin hell for committing apostacy of the highest:)

Luckily Bitcoin bible is less than 10 pages long;)

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August 03, 2021, 07:05:30 AM
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What's your opinion on this matter?
I think it is stupid. although I can respect their decision. I'd still think they are stupid. I am pretty sure if someone ever made a religion based on bitcoin that person or whoever follows it will be a laughing stock on the community. It's good to admire the technology but admiring it too much to the point that a person will create a religion out of it is just(just like what mk4 said) cringe.

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August 03, 2021, 07:45:07 AM
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People nowadays thinking nonsense about bitcoin what i mean they're going too far when it comes to it and i don't know what are they trying to point out here. Lmao it's very obvious tho coz how comes bitcoin become connected with religion.? TBH I've never heard such information about bitcoin so @op stop smoking bro it's not good for your health.  Grin
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I carefully read every reply under this topic, and found that most of the answers are similar, and most of them are opposed to linking Bitcoin with religion. Most people think this idea is stupid, absurd, and unrealistic. Bitcoin has nothing to do with religion at all. Bitcoin is a technology, a new technology based on mathematical algorithms, how can it be related to religion? Bitcoin is a currency. If we say that Bitcoin is a religion, is fiat currency also a religion? Bitcoin is based on the creation of rationality on the technical level, while religion is based on perceptual cognition. The two are in opposition. It is really a joke to compare Bitcoin to religion. And most people are very convinced of their answers.

But is the answer that I firmly believe in must be correct? Is the point made by others necessarily wrong? Is there a certain logic or a certain reason for the opinions put forward by others? If there is no theoretical basis, why have people continue to associate Bitcoin with religion since 2012 and 2013?

We have discussed it many times. There are already some threads specifically to discuss a such topic. I think it is not necessary to create a new thread about this issue. Please take a look at these threads first, you probably got the answer.
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157149.0
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161552.0
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=311384.0
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1092155.0

In my perspective, Bitcoin will never be a religion. Bitcoin is a technology and it is human-made. Religion never comes from human creation, it is purely coming from God. Sorry, I think the idea of Bitcoin as a religion doesn't make sense.


Let’s take a look at this quote. Every once in a while, someone will post to discuss the connection between Bitcoin and religion. This means that similar questions continue to be raised. They have similar understanding or confusion. Although most of the voices in the replies were opposed, we read every reply carefully and there were also some supporting voices. It's just that the voice of opposition is far greater than the voice of support, which also makes people who agree with this view in their hearts dare not reply.


What most people think is wrong must be wrong? Here are two famous sayings to share with you. The first is: truth is always in the hands of a few people; The second is: the more arguments, the clearer the truth. I have been thinking deeply about bitcoin over the years, and I have been exploring some of the things represented behind bitcoin. So, today, with this post, I also express some of my views on this point of view.

My point is: Bitcoin is far from being a religion at present, but it has the conditions to be established as a religion. Bitcoin is now an ideology, gradually becoming a belief system and a social movement. It is not yet a religion, but it does not rule out that someone will establish one or more religions centered on Bitcoin in the future. This time may take 50 or even 100 years, and we cannot rule out this possibility. Although Bitcoin may become a religion, this religion is a brand-new belief system that is fundamentally different from our current religious system. We cannot use our current religious view to look at Bitcoin. Bitcoin's belief system is more likely to be based on the digital world, which is different from our existing physical world. The above are my basic views.We cannot deny the possibility that it will become a reality in the future because it has not yet become a reality.

In the past month or so, I have been writing articles on bitcointalk, publishing my in-depth thinking on bitcoin. In my opinion, Bitcoin is not just a technology or a currency, but more importantly the thought, culture, spirit, and ideals behind Bitcoin. This is a brand new thought, which represents decentralization, freedom, and equality. Many of us may buy Bitcoin just to make money, for profit. However, there are still some people, Bitcoin has become their belief. This is also my belief. What I value is the thought of ​​Bitcoin. I firmly believe that Bitcoin can completely transform our existing human society and create a new, equal, fair, free, and decentralized world. When this world is formed one after another, human society will enter a brand new civilization. I define this civilization as "bit civilization".

This is my most basic view of Bitcoin. This thought has always guided my practice. I believe that as the global consensus of Bitcoin becomes stronger and stronger, more and more people will recognize this thought. The ideological liberation movement will flourish all over the world. In the end, a brand new ideology, or belief system, is formed.



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Well, have you thought about this idea that Bitcoin can be like a religion too? With some level of fanaticism, there can be people who are considering the Bitcoin community like a cultish one but then again all form of organization in varying degree has this energy and can even be used as a bonding agent. Now, in my opinion, while this idea can be a big welcome to some, this can also turned off those people who are not inclined to take up religious matters into their lives.

What's your opinion on this matter?

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Bitcoin Holy Capitol
The religious echoes seemed pretty obvious to many observers of the recent Bitcoin 2021 conference in Miami.

The New York Times article was titled “Thousands descend on Miami to glorify Bitcoin” and quoted the convention center’s owner Moishe Mana saying: “The more you fight religion, the more holy it becomes and the stronger the movement becomes,” he said.

Media outlet Paradox described how a “ten-thousand-plus legion of devoted believers” came together with “followers of Bitcoin maximalism” to listen to the high priests of the movement:

“Before thousands of wide-eyed attendees like Joel Olsteen preaching at a megachurch, prophets like Michael Saylor called Bitcoin the ‘apex’ of human achievement, while architects of the Holy Capitol blatantly acknowledged the asset as a full-fledged religious movement.”

And just like followers of a religion, Bitcoiners believe, with some justification, that they’re on a righteous mission to change the world. Twitter’s Jack Dorsey told the crowd: “I don’t think there is anything more important in my lifetime to work on.”

This text is part of the cointelegraph article sent by OP. I suggest that each of us can read this article carefully. From this point of view, the content of this report still has a certain logic. We cannot deny it 100% just because we hold different opinions.

What is human civilization? In my opinion, human civilization is a collection of all social behaviors and natural behaviors that make human beings free from barbarism. These collections include at least the following elements: family concept, language, writing, belief, religious concept, law, culture, art, city state and the country and so on. It is these factors that constitute the main body of our current society, some are economic foundations, and some are superstructures.

Therefore, if Bitcoin is really bringing mankind into a new civilization system, when this civilization system is formed one after another, it will definitely transform religions, and it will establish a new set of religions that adapt to the development of new civilizations system. What is the specific system? Maybe only 50 years later will there be some clear answers. At present, I can't answer it.

Let's take a brief look at the history of the establishment of Christianity. When Jesus was alive, he did not establish a denomination and named it Christianity. Christianity was gradually formed in the process of spreading the thoughts of Jesus among the followers of Jesus within two to three hundred years after the death of Jesus. The evolution of each important node takes hundreds of years. Later, due to the different beliefs of believers, they split into different sects. The split of sects is the split of consensus, which is similar to the current Bitcoin fork. Isn't BCH split from BTC because of some different concepts? They have a new independent leader. Then, because of different ideas, they continued to split.

Now let’s look at this 2013 quote. There are too many similarities between Bitcoin and religion. I hope we can look at this with a more open attitude. Maybe we think it is absurd now, but it may become a reality in 50 years.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157149.msg21175482#msg21175482

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Let's be honest, it does have all the makings of a religion, let me just go through the list:

. Mysterious creator that has suddenly vanished off the face of the Earth or doesn't exist  - Check

. Celebrities are endorsing it to give it more legitimacy - Check

. Multiple sects splitting off from the main beliefs because they disagree with them or want to form their own cult instead - Check

. Lots and lots of conspiracy theories surrounding it - Check

. Persecution from government organisations that fear it - Check

. Crazy evangelical fringe believers who run around and try to harass people into following it - Check

. Extremely negative mass media attention - Check

Yep, I'd say we're a religion now Cheesy
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I would add the following:

-It was conceived to save the world from evil and secure a future of prosperity for those who accept it fully: -Check

-Believers tend to label nonbelievers as confused people who go the wrong way that leads to (financial) destruction, and their only hope is to repent and accept the new creed: -Check

-Those who have accepted the new creed make up a superior caste of Chosen who will one day reign over the unconverted: -Check



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August 03, 2021, 11:49:18 AM
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Bitcoin is the greatest technological revolution of our century that we live in and this is my opinion.Also it is backed by an algorithm,something exact which does not let a lot of space for being a religion,religion is irrationality to believe in something you don't see.
Bitcoin is in fact the exact opposite of such,you are the owner of it and no other entity,no third parties like banks etc.

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August 05, 2021, 06:45:57 AM
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My point is: Bitcoin is far from being a religion at present, but it has the conditions to be established as a religion. Bitcoin is now an ideology, gradually becoming a belief system and a social movement.
Do you think religion is established by humans? No, the religion comes from God, it has been already established. What humans do is to know everything about religion. It takes the process from no knowledge --> know deeply about religion. What should be established? It is the knowledge related to religion owned by humans. While the religion itself is already established by God, not the human business.

Anyway, I think debating about religion will be never-ending. Everyone will deliver their opinion based on individual perception. So, it is better to stop it now. The reason is clear enough, it is already discussed many times in this forum. The topic of religion is also very sensitive, I suggest not continue it to avoid racism and misunderstanding among us. Let Bitcoin be Bitcoin, no need to compare it to religion.

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August 05, 2021, 03:45:35 PM
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But you can't deny that some people are probably way too indulged with Bitcoin that it has gotten to a rough point wherein they only do Bitcoin and Bitcoin alone everyday, Bitcoin as a religion would be hilarious, imagine altars and some rituals dedicated to Bitcoin, religion is definitely not the way to go, it will only complicate things that involves heavily on money, so in conclusion, it's a bad idea, but it is never impossible that some people may have been praising Bitcoin as something similar with God or a god.
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Well, have you thought about this idea that Bitcoin can be like a religion too? With some level of fanaticism, there can be people who are considering the Bitcoin community like a cultish one but then again all form of organization in varying degree has this energy and can even be used as a bonding agent. Now, in my opinion, while this idea can be a big welcome to some, this can also turned off those people who are not inclined to take up religious matters into their lives.

What's your opinion on this matter?
How do you guys come up with things like this? I mean, why? How can someone turn bitcoin into a religion? The cult, are they going to say that Satoshi was a god that created something very powerful like bitcoin that solved all financial problems of every human being? A miracle! Lol. Religion is something that gives people hope during desperate time. I don't think people can rely or hope anything from bitcoin when something awful is happening in their life. So I think the idea of bitcoin as a religion is somewhat crazy.

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August 06, 2021, 02:10:48 AM
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I don’t think Bitcoin can be used as a religion, because it will be a drag on Bitcoin. I don’t want to spend a lot of my energy on operating Bitcoin. It’s true that others talk about me as a believer in Bitcoin. I’m not obsessed with it yet.

I think the OP just thinks this view is an interesting idea, but it is not the case, give up this kind of thinking, and don't let your thinking be tied to religion.

Bitcoin is a highly credible blockchain product, and we live in a credible network.
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August 06, 2021, 02:33:29 AM
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I think the essence is different. people being fanatical about bitcoin does not mean bitcoin becomes their religion, but because bitcoin provides real benefits, so maybe whatever people say they will not pay attention to, in religion it prioritizes spiritual needs, this is different from bitcoin which only prioritizes business. on the other hand bitcoin can be manipulated by someone, but will this apply to religion, where its teachings are absolute and inviolable
true as you said, bitcoin is just a belief, and belief, while religion is a matter of faith, faith cannot be exchanged for anything, if bitcoin is definitely we are looking for profit in this business, because if the price is high we will definitely release bitcoin and sell it.. so it's not logical if we associate bitcoin with religion..

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August 06, 2021, 03:18:26 AM
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It's kind of funny some people really do think Bitcoin as a religion, maybe they are just grateful about the opportunity that the Bitcoin give to them but considering it as a religion is a not really a good idea. If the market falls they might call it a devil or if a new revolutionary coin will come they might even forget the Bitcoin.

Yeah people do weird stuff that has no meaning, this shouldn't come as a surprise at all, except I fail to understand why btc be seen as a religion, what exactly makes it appear as one! What system of faith btc has that though, loving the technology and the whole concept is one thing, taking it as a religion is another thing, however, people perceive things differently and it is their prerogative to do so.
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I don’t think Bitcoin can be used as a religion, because it will be a drag on Bitcoin. I don’t want to spend a lot of my energy on operating Bitcoin. It’s true that others talk about me as a believer in Bitcoin. I’m not obsessed with it yet.

I think the OP just thinks this view is an interesting idea, but it is not the case, give up this kind of thinking, and don't let your thinking be tied to religion.

Bitcoin is a highly credible blockchain product, and we live in a credible network.


Righ, it's ridiculous if we overdo it in bitcoin, even i don't see the bitcoin price every day even though i have a balance in the wallet, i only check the price when i really need money or when i have extra money to buy bitcoin.

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August 06, 2021, 03:30:47 AM
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Bitcoin as a religion? People thinking this way is too much attached on bitcoin to think that its a religion.

Even it has a wide community and maybe sharing same sentiments about this digital currency, its funny thinking that someone is considering it as a religion.

Well we have different belief but not to the extent that we are treating bitcoin as a system of faith and worship.

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