Baltic - Black Sea Union as an alternative to the EU.

[iv4n]

Stompix man, you never fail to amaze me with your comments! Your arguments are crazy, you hit the point every time... where do you get all the information, how do you remember all that... I am truly facinated!

After reading a little debate I would say Stompix win, in my opinion (from my perspective) he is totally right with all things he said!

Sorry but this Union has the same chances of being successful as BRICS had. I honestly see more chances in bringing back Yugoslavia than this union.

This is funny! As a person who lives in former Yugoslavia, I can say the chances for bringing it back are like -10000000000%, and I am probably soft!

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[Paul stuart]

It could be an incredible idea! But in this case, it will create a new block against Russia (except Belarus if Lukachenko stays and also Turkey which is playing on both side) and Putin, this chess player, will never let this happen!
Second point, for me, Turkey is mostly interested by Western Europe, not Eastern so this kind of block is not in its interest.

[paxmao]

You could put together any number of names and it would not look as unlikely as this union which lacks any strength or meaning. There is nothing that would make this stick together to be honest. You may want to check the history of economic unions and particularly what makes these worthy of that name. The old hanseatic union or some other trade alliances were not very strong, but there were clear interest aligned on these and clear limits to the union.

[Sithara007]

It could be an incredible idea! But in this case, it will create a new block against Russia (except Belarus if Lukachenko stays and also Turkey which is playing on both side) and Putin, this chess player, will never let this happen!
Second point, for me, Turkey is mostly interested by Western Europe, not Eastern so this kind of block is not in its interest.

Economically such an union doesn't make sense. All these nations are economically dependent on Germany and forming such an union with non-EU member states such as Turkey and Ukraine will be impractical. A country can't be a member of both the EU and this new proposed union, because the EU laws doesn't permit any such overlap. And since the main purpose is to counter Russia, I don't think that countries such as Turkey and Bulgaria would show much interest. They are careful not to antagonize Putin.

[stompix]

Stompix man, you never fail to amaze me with your comments! Your arguments are crazy, you hit the point every time... where do you get all the information, how do you remember all that...

Crazy, hmm, maybe....to be honest, I'm not that proud of them all the time I sometimes think I'm crossing one too many lines with my sarcasm and I do usually edit a post when I see it's way too salty for an actual conversation

This is funny! As a person who lives in former Yugoslavia, I can say the chances for bringing it back are like -10000000000%, and I am probably soft!

Just as Lucius comments, this reveals why some countries are simply meant not to be friends. Let's compare the war in Yugoslavia with the civil war when Czechoslovakia split. ..Oh, wait!!! There was no war! You can't put random countries in an alliance and think everything will work fine with all the combinations possible.

It seemed to me that such an alliance is quite logical both from the point of view of economic expediency and from the point of view of a certain military-political alliance aimed at real ensuring the security of the participating countries.

As a resident of Ukraine, I will

Since you doxxed yourself  let me ask you something, assuming you're one of the leaders negotiating this union, how are you going to reply to your Romanian counterpart when he asks you about the return of Bessarabia and Snake Island? You realize now that strategically speaking, Romania now couldn't care less about Russia and would be far more interested in seeing Ukraine split into twenty provinces, right?
There are ways too many debts to be paid here, and you are focusing only on the leader's opinions and their political games, ignoring the sentiment of the community, and trust me the resentment is great even in the few that moved here from those countries. I see it with Hungarians I see it with Romanians and every single one of them who I've talked about told me that back in their home country it's even worse.

[Lucius]

Just as Lucius comments, this reveals why some countries are simply meant not to be friends. Let's compare the war in Yugoslavia with the civil war when Czechoslovakia split. ..Oh, wait!!! There was no war! You can't put random countries in an alliance and think everything will work fine with all the combinations possible.

You may not know it, but the green light for the war in the former Yugoslavia was given by the US and the UK, although each for its own personal reasons. It is no secret that the US wanted to break up Yugoslavia because it was a communist creation and under the great influence of Russia, while the UK, as a great Serbian friend, wanted to preserve that creation at all costs and harm Croats as much as possible because of some past quarrels.

Speaking of Czechoslovakia, it is interesting that it was Russia that invited the then Serbian leader Milosevic to Moscow to agree on the peaceful disintegration of Yugoslavia, following the example of Czechoslovakia - but the green light for the war in the UK was enough for the Serbs to launch a general attack and try to break poorly armed Croatian defenders who then opposed the third military force in Europe.

Thirty years after the start of the war, Serbian authorities, led by a man directly involved in the aggression against Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina (Vucic - current president - with a rifle in his hand above the occupied Sarajevo where 1601 children were killed during the 3 years of occupation), continue to deny guilt for the war, genocides committed in Vukovar or Srebrenica and hundreds lesser-known places.

The worst thing that can happen to the EU is for all these countries to find themselves in the same community again, and that is only a matter of time.

[DrBeer]

Since you doxxed yourself  let me ask you something, assuming you're one of the leaders negotiating this union, how are you going to reply to your Romanian counterpart when he asks you about the return of Bessarabia and Snake Island? You realize now that strategically speaking, Romania now couldn't care less about Russia and would be far more interested in seeing Ukraine split into twenty provinces, right?
There are ways too many debts to be paid here, and you are focusing only on the leader's opinions and their political games, ignoring the sentiment of the community, and trust me the resentment is great even in the few that moved here from those countries. I see it with Hungarians I see it with Romanians and every single one of them who I've talked about told me that back in their home country it's even worse.

As they say in a similar situation - "Thank you for a good question!"
The answer is that you have distorted reality a little, and "pulled by the ears" a problem that does not exist. Although I agree - some hotheads have such thoughts, but then ALL EUROPE will have to raise the issue of revising borders, etc. BUT ! After World War II, many pacts and treaties were adopted, which essentially say "changing the borders of European countries is NOT ALLOWED. We agreed to the current state of affairs, and we are not changing borders anymore." Therefore, the final answer will be this: no, interstate disputes over territories until 1945 are closed, only the question of annexation or seizure of territories after this period is open, for example, such regions as Abkhazia, Karabakh, PMR, DPR / LPR, Crimea. Yes, I will agree in advance - the examples I have given are very localized, I will not argue about other territories - I do not have accurate information.
In this situation, I am actually more worried about the economic difficulties of implementing such a union than the far-fetched type you specified (no offense).