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August 26, 2021, 07:28:41 PM
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I would like to make a sports betting bot for stake using their Api on in play games
The bot must place bets on my behalf on certain markets I choose
Based on rules like bet amount . Only bet when odds is below certain  number and above certain number plus some basic rules

Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you

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August 26, 2021, 07:47:28 PM
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Recently I found that stake doesn't use a robust Bookmaker while placing their user's bets, they use a third party Bookmaker and share your IP details (Most likely) because I recently found a user's Bets were Void because the owner of Stake was informed by the Bookmaker that the User has placed another bet on the alternative website but similar bookmaker.

So if you're trying to create make a betting bot to select the best odds for you then watch out if there are bets that you place on multiple websites of the same bookmaker, They know your IP address and will track [Your - Bets, IP, Number of Bets] you placed on the websites to always profit by using arbitrage method, And if the gambling website is losing then they will freeze your account.
This is what I've learned from the experience of other gamblers.
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August 26, 2021, 07:51:29 PM
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Hi
I would like to make a sports betting bot for stake using their Api on in play games
The bot must place bets on my behalf on certain markets I choose
Based on rules like bet amount . Only bet when odds is below certain  number and above certain number plus some basic rules
If i am not wrong, i remember only two bots that can be used in stake.com ;
The first is dicebot which is dedicated for dice games only, this bot was widely used without issues but i can't tell if it's that effecient or not .
The second is Hilo bot, released since 2019 and i can't also tell if it's really secure or not.
For better info, i suggest you to check their forum where you can find a lot of opened discussions about active bots : https://forum.stake.com/

Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you
Of course it's possible. You can hire someone to develop a personalised one. Ask for it in the "Services" board .
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August 26, 2021, 08:37:57 PM
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Hi
I would like to make a sports betting bot for stake using their Api on in play games
The bot must place bets on my behalf on certain markets I choose
Based on rules like bet amount . Only bet when odds is below certain  number and above certain number plus some basic rules

Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you

I honestly don't understand what the advantage of having a bot with these functions is, of course if it complies with the TOS of gambling sites, but going back to what I've been talking about I imagine that bot wouldn't be able to do a better analysis on relation to a human in case of sports betting so i can guess the bot is not for sports betting so what games do you intend to use the bot for? in addition I imagine that the programmer who will create the bot will charge you a good amount of money to create this bot, is it worth having this bot? I'm talking about being worth in terms of cost and benefit

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August 27, 2021, 02:45:37 AM
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I remember Sportsbet used to have their own sports betting bot via telegram and knowing that they have the same odds provider as stake then I guess it's possible to have one.

I honestly don't understand what the advantage of having a bot with these functions is
With a bot you can easily filter the markets that fits your criteria and it saves a lot of time from browsing one match to the other.

This is what I've learned from the experience of other gamblers.
I doubt they'll freeze his account, at best his limits would get reduced to the smallest amount possible.

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August 27, 2021, 04:08:04 AM
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Hi
I would like to make a sports betting bot for stake using their Api on in play games
The bot must place bets on my behalf on certain markets I choose
Based on rules like bet amount . Only bet when odds is below certain  number and above certain number plus some basic rules

Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you

I honestly don't understand what the advantage of having a bot with these functions is, of course if it complies with the TOS of gambling sites, but going back to what I've been talking about I imagine that bot wouldn't be able to do a better analysis on relation to a human in case of sports betting so i can guess the bot is not for sports betting so what games do you intend to use the bot for? in addition I imagine that the programmer who will create the bot will charge you a good amount of money to create this bot, is it worth having this bot? I'm talking about being worth in terms of cost and benefit
As written in my post " place bets on my behalf "  based on some rules like the odds only if odds of a certain sport a certain market is between a number and a number. 
It's strange if people didn't read a few lines post and posting things no relation .
I used to have a bot for Betfair so I want a bot for stake that's all
If people doesn't understand what I'm talking about it means they can't help so no need to post here .
This topic is for programmers or people who understand phyton and API

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August 27, 2021, 04:23:55 AM
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Using bots in gambling sites may be possible with some gambling sites but I don’t think you can do that at stake, there have been issues of accounts closer because of users getting caught for using illegal means to win the bet and the bot can be termed as illegal activities by the stake. So many bookmakers have a system in place that detects such activities.
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August 27, 2021, 04:39:02 AM
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As written in my post " place bets on my behalf "  based on some rules like the odds only if odds of a certain sport a certain market is between a number and a number. 
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I used to have a bot for Betfair so I want a bot for stake that's all
I don't think it would be impossible to implement the requirement that you stated. The problem is Stake does not provide support for their API usage, I mean they will not provide any help or any documentation. I believe that will be hard for the programmers to tinker around with the bot. It comes different with Betfair, they embrace their API usage for those who want to use it. It gives the flexibility for the programmers to play around with the API.

IMO, with such cases, I think you will not get help easily about your particular bot except, you are really into it and want someone do the job for you.
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August 28, 2021, 07:52:07 AM
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Using bots in gambling sites may be possible with some gambling sites but I don’t think you can do that at stake, there have been issues of accounts closer because of users getting caught for using illegal means to win the bet and the bot can be termed as illegal activities by the stake. So many bookmakers have a system in place that detects such activities.
With what I found out, using bot on stake.com is not against their gambling rules.

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https://forum.stake.com/topic/22614-gambling-bots/
Gambling bots are allowed on Stake, and I would suggest you start with Seuntjies dicebot as it is officially endorsed by Stake.

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Today I want to cover the topic of "Is Using a Stake Bot Legal?" yup, many of you who play on Stake.com ask that, as with other websites where it is the benchmark for a gambling website, why? because when you use a bot all the controls in your stake game can be simpler and also faster or more efficient, therefore, once again I want to know, What do you think about bot stake, in my opinion it is very clear how easy it is during daily challenges, where our mission is to find the target set by the MOD, and there you can see how efficient it is to use bots, some bots are free and also paid, depending on what game you are playing. So are you guys interested? please comment below ❤️

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August 28, 2021, 09:27:15 AM
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I honestly don't understand what the advantage of having a bot with these functions is, of course if it complies with the TOS of gambling sites, but going back to what I've been talking about I imagine that bot wouldn't be able to do a better analysis on relation to a human in case of sports betting so i can guess the bot is not for sports betting so what games do you intend to use the bot for?

It has a good advantage. Since it's a bot, you don't need to manually place a bet given the set condition. No need for analysis since the moment you choose a bot to bet on your behalf, you should already have a pre-analysis of the match. You have the assurance that you won't miss betting on a certain match.

If it's allowed by the gambling site and clears from the Terms and Services, I see nothing wrong using it but users should understand that it's not a tool to increase winning chance but instead a tool that will just follow a command set by their users.

in addition I imagine that the programmer who will create the bot will charge you a good amount of money to create this bot,

That was expected and I think OP is already aware of that.
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August 28, 2021, 10:21:20 AM
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Hi
I would like to make a sports betting bot for stake using their Api on in play games
The bot must place bets on my behalf on certain markets I choose
Based on rules like bet amount . Only bet when odds is below certain  number and above certain number plus some basic rules

Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you

If you really want to be safe about this then you'll probably need to know and understand the code that is being used. There are plenty of people out there who might program you this sort of software with a backdoor they can trigger and send your funds to their own wallet. Not to mention they will probably end up reselling it because a professional version (that stays working) will likely require a lot of work and most people usually are not willing to pay the right amounts for it. If the programmer was to end up reselling it then your potential arbitrage profits are likely to drop over time as more people are trying to do the same thing. Be very careful who you trust with access to your wallets or hardware devices.

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August 28, 2021, 01:30:47 PM
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wow, that's quite new, honestly, I never heard of a betting bot for sports betting as you need to carefully analyze the game before you put your bet. Maybe in other games where the outcome is based on the machine, but this is sports betting, based on what I read, experts said that the lesser the bets, the higher the chance of winning as that means it was carefully analyzed before the bet is place.

Anyway, if this experiment would be successful, I might try it, but I highly doubt it.  Sad

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August 28, 2021, 02:28:01 PM
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Hi
I would like to make a sports betting bot for stake using their Api on in play games
The bot must place bets on my behalf on certain markets I choose
Based on rules like bet amount . Only bet when odds is below certain  number and above certain number plus some basic rules

Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you

I honestly don't understand what the advantage of having a bot with these functions is, of course if it complies with the TOS of gambling sites, but going back to what I've been talking about I imagine that bot wouldn't be able to do a better analysis on relation to a human in case of sports betting so i can guess the bot is not for sports betting so what games do you intend to use the bot for? in addition I imagine that the programmer who will create the bot will charge you a good amount of money to create this bot, is it worth having this bot? I'm talking about being worth in terms of cost and benefit
While I am also wondering the same and supposing this is allowed on their TOS each person can do whatever they want with their money and with their time and if the OP wants to try a bot then he can do so, however just as yourself I do not see how a bot will be able to do better than a human as it does not seem as if the bot the OP is talking about will take information of whatever match they want and then come up with an algorithm that can predict what the actual outcomes will be compared with the odds that are given by the casino.
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August 28, 2021, 10:48:36 PM
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If you really want to be safe about this then you'll probably need to know and understand the code that is being used. There are plenty of people out there who might program you this sort of software with a backdoor they can trigger and send your funds to their own wallet. Not to mention they will probably end up reselling it because a professional version (that stays working) will likely require a lot of work and most people usually are not willing to pay the right amounts for it. If the programmer was to end up reselling it then your potential arbitrage profits are likely to drop over time as more people are trying to do the same thing. Be very careful who you trust with access to your wallets or hardware devices.
I reckon this.

It's the first thing that I've thought of when he said that he's looking for a programmer to make this bot. That's why stake and others have recommendation for the bots that their customers will be using.

But for sports betting, I don't know what they can suggest with that as there's a specific niche that they've given for such bots.

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August 29, 2021, 03:29:25 AM
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~snip~ Not to mention they will probably end up reselling it because a professional version (that stays working) will likely require a lot of work and most people usually are not willing to pay the right amounts for it. If the programmer was to end up reselling it then your potential arbitrage profits are likely to drop over time as more people are trying to do the same thing.~
In comparison to Betfair which @OP referred to, Stake doesn't have API documentation, so I believe the dev should reverse-engineer the platform in order to make the bot work charmlessly. Because of that, yeap the cost to make the bot work and also to maintain it will require great costs, that the possibility of someone to develop it as a paid/subscription service to a gambler is assuring, rather than just a one-time based project.

That's why stake and others have recommendation for the bots that their customers will be using.
AFAIK, Stake doesn't have any recommendation for which bot they support. They even remove the API key for the less tech-savvy users.

Users were falling for scams with the API key. We have since removed it from visibility to prevent this. The API key is only relevant for users who use scripts / dice-bot, hilo-bot, etc. We do not support usage of these and inputting your API key anywhere externally will compromise your account.

If you were tech-savvy enough to know what you were doing, then you'll be able to find your API key easily. If you cant figure out how to find your API key now, then you shouldn't be using your API key. Simple as that. Locking this thread.
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August 29, 2021, 04:03:06 AM
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Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you

There are programmers who can help out there but I think it's not that simple "any programmer here who can help me"? You might want to offer some money in order to attract them. Searching the Stake platform there's no API you can work at which means everything will start on scratch and just to be safe, you can contact Stake if that's even possible to do even there's no mention of bots nor related things on their terms of service.

Just a suggestion, you can also consider sharing the thread on Project Development as most programmers or any knowledge with coding are mostly there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=12.0

Create a thread there for their attention, link this thread then locked. No need to lock or move this thread since it's more appropriate here.
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That's why stake and others have recommendation for the bots that their customers will be using.
AFAIK, Stake doesn't have any recommendation for which bot they support. They even remove the API key for the less tech-savvy users.

Users were falling for scams with the API key. We have since removed it from visibility to prevent this. The API key is only relevant for users who use scripts / dice-bot, hilo-bot, etc. We do not support usage of these and inputting your API key anywhere externally will compromise your account.

If you were tech-savvy enough to know what you were doing, then you'll be able to find your API key easily. If you cant figure out how to find your API key now, then you shouldn't be using your API key. Simple as that. Locking this thread.
I've based that from the quote that I've seen at the top. With the quote you've given, it seems that there were scam bots that have been applied to them and using their name to trick people.

But anyway for OP and others that will try it for themselves, they should be careful in using such and be aware of what bot they're using.

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It's a nice idea but hope it wouldn't be a matter of urgency because even after creating the bot it has to be test runned on multiple games to ensure it satisfies at least 80% of the games it might decide to bet on. There are a bunch of programmers willing to help you satisfy your quest but as usual it would cost you much fortune

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Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you

Sure it’s possible. If you can do it, a bot can do it. The questions are how much time and energy would it take and how much would it cost you to hire someone to do it. If you’re serious, you should post a job offering in a different section that developers might read or a site that caters to software development.

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Hi
I would like to make a sports betting bot for stake using their Api on in play games
The bot must place bets on my behalf on certain markets I choose
Based on rules like bet amount . Only bet when odds is below certain  number and above certain number plus some basic rules

Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you

You're too brave to use the bot in sports betting because as for me, it needs analysis and enough knowledge about the game. As long as you're not afraid to take the risk then I think there's no harm in trying. It's also possible as per other website users. It's still a good thing that you're trying new things to make the game more thrilling.
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I reckon it's allowed since someone else already posted about Stakes TOS allowing it. There's already one in their forums themselves (though not open source) https://forum.stake.com/topic/44407-hilo-bot-made-for-hunters/. As for finding someone to code for you, I'd suggest not looking here but instead in freelancing sites, heck, if you know even a little bit of how to code, you can simply find some open-source ones and adjust it based on your preference.

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August 29, 2021, 01:23:07 PM
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Hi
I would like to make a sports betting bot for stake using their Api on in play games
The bot must place bets on my behalf on certain markets I choose
Based on rules like bet amount . Only bet when odds is below certain  number and above certain number plus some basic rules

Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you
Although that is possible to create the bot, I think you still need to watch the bot running and change the bet if you know that your analysis or info is not right.

Maybe you can open an offer in the Marketplace section so you can get many programmers that can help you to create the bot.

I can only suggest you use a manual way than using the bot, no matter if the site allows you to use the bot, because you can fully control and only place the bet when you want.

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I've based that from the quote that I've seen at the top. With the quote you've given, it seems that there were scam bots that have been applied to them and using their name to trick people.
Ah right, I'm completely missed that. I took a quick glance at Seuntjies, and look like the bot is well-reputable, and the bot is also open-sourced.

The removal of the API key might be some mitigation to prevent users from being lured by scammers. Nevertheless, on my quoted link, yet people still find a quick way to find out the API key easily, I don't think it would be hard for a scammer to work around that. After all, I'd agree with you the users should take extra precautions with the bot they are using.
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Hi
I would like to make a sports betting bot for stake using their Api on in play games
The bot must place bets on my behalf on certain markets I choose
Based on rules like bet amount . Only bet when odds is below certain  number and above certain number plus some basic rules

Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you
You sound like one who has a pre-knowledge on how to develop the bot. Are you search of a teammate or you intend giving some one the project to execute for you. You should be clear enough so you get the right recommendation for the kind of service you seek we have lots of developer willing to deliver
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I am pretty sure this might not be possible. I am certain that the sites do have a way to filter out players like that, who are using bots etc. Since that would mean sooner or later players might manipulate the whole system perse. Which would be bad for their profits etc . Therefore even if you decide to do that , do not post it publicly 😂, secondly you would have to hire someone very professional to take care of all of this and at the same time you might have to check the rules and regulations first. Do not waste your money just like that. Then also there is no guarantee that you can still trust it since they can block your account or limit it anytime.

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Recently I found that stake doesn't use a robust Bookmaker while placing their user's bets, they use a third party Bookmaker and share your IP details (Most likely) because I recently found a user's Bets were Void because the owner of Stake was informed by the Bookmaker that the User has placed another bet on the alternative website but similar bookmaker.
I was aware that Stake is using a third party bookmaker but i was not aware that if you are placing bets with another sportsbook who is using the same platform will get our bets voided which is crazy, not sure how they function but where have you heard about this situation.


So if you're trying to create make a betting bot to select the best odds for you then watch out if there are bets that you place on multiple websites of the same bookmaker, They know your IP address and will track [Your - Bets, IP, Number of Bets] you placed on the websites to always profit by using arbitrage method, And if the gambling website is losing then they will freeze your account.
This is what I've learned from the experience of other gamblers.
I never tried arbitrage betting as i am not a big shot and never do any major research while placing a bet but if what you said is true then it is possible that your accounts will be restricted, but have you heard anyone complaining that their account was restricted in stake.
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August 29, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
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Hi
I would like to make a sports betting bot for stake using their Api on in play games
The bot must place bets on my behalf on certain markets I choose
Based on rules like bet amount . Only bet when odds is below certain  number and above certain number plus some basic rules

Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you

I honestly don't understand what the advantage of having a bot with these functions is, of course if it complies with the TOS of gambling sites, but going back to what I've been talking about I imagine that bot wouldn't be able to do a better analysis on relation to a human in case of sports betting so i can guess the bot is not for sports betting so what games do you intend to use the bot for? in addition I imagine that the programmer who will create the bot will charge you a good amount of money to create this bot, is it worth having this bot? I'm talking about being worth in terms of cost and benefit
Human thoughts and decisions sometimes are based on feelings, and not rational. On the otherhand, if the bot was created very well, whatever logic you've input there, it will do what it was asked to do. So basically it's just more rational than the human. The code will be the basis of the code for every bets that it will make, relating to human, if we remove the gutt and feelings, the process will be the same. It is just that, bots are way faster than humans.
Definitely it's worth having if it gives the owner a high win rate.

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August 29, 2021, 07:08:47 PM
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Hi
I would like to make a sports betting bot for stake using their Api on in play games
The bot must place bets on my behalf on certain markets I choose
Based on rules like bet amount . Only bet when odds is below certain  number and above certain number plus some basic rules

Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you
Although that is possible to create the bot, I think you still need to watch the bot running and change the bet if you know that your analysis or info is not right.

Maybe you can open an offer in the Marketplace section so you can get many programmers that can help you to create the bot.

I can only suggest you use a manual way than using the bot, no matter if the site allows you to use the bot, because you can fully control and only place the bet when you want.

It's indeed possible and there are programmers who understand the needs of OP and can work on it for his interest, though bot have some advantage in terms of emotion and if you don't have that time to keep watching the game that you wanted to bet, bot can easily work it out for you and make sure that you won't miss the chance.

I go with manual betting as you always have time to adjust and change up your minds when certain influenced in games happened, unlike with bot, it will execute your commands and there no chance of interference if you won't do it manually.

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August 30, 2021, 02:38:56 AM
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Hi
I would like to make a sports betting bot for stake using their Api on in play games
The bot must place bets on my behalf on certain markets I choose
Based on rules like bet amount . Only bet when odds is below certain  number and above certain number plus some basic rules

Is it possible ?
Any programer here who can help me ? And thank you
Although that is possible to create the bot, I think you still need to watch the bot running and change the bet if you know that your analysis or info is not right.

Maybe you can open an offer in the Marketplace section so you can get many programmers that can help you to create the bot.

I can only suggest you use a manual way than using the bot, no matter if the site allows you to use the bot, because you can fully control and only place the bet when you want.

It's indeed possible and there are programmers who understand the needs of OP and can work on it for his interest, though bot have some advantage in terms of emotion and if you don't have that time to keep watching the game that you wanted to bet, bot can easily work it out for you and make sure that you won't miss the chance.

I go with manual betting as you always have time to adjust and change up your minds when certain influenced in games happened, unlike with bot, it will execute your commands and there no chance of interference if you won't do it manually.
Yes, as you say, we can play gambling whenever we want and we always have a chance to control or manage our money and time so we do not break the limit that we already set before. Using a bot may help us have more time to do another task, but sometimes, the bot can not work 100%  perfectly.

Hopefully, @OP can find what he wants to have the bot that can help him place a bet in the sports. But that will need more time to find the right programmers.

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August 30, 2021, 05:45:20 AM
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I reckon it's allowed since someone else already posted about Stakes TOS allowing it. There's already one in their forums themselves (though not open source) https://forum.stake.com/topic/44407-hilo-bot-made-for-hunters/. As for finding someone to code for you, I'd suggest not looking here but instead in freelancing sites, heck, if you know even a little bit of how to code, you can simply find some open-source ones and adjust it based on your preference.
I was not sure if stake offers such services of using bots on their website, but with your reply am going to also visit stake forum to read their term of services for bots before I look for a freelancing site to code the bot I hope it works well I will post my experience here after giving the bot a try.
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