🥶 Winter Beijin 2022 🥶 Discussion and bet thread 🥶 Winter Game 🥶

[Boristhecat]

As I guess swimming has nothing to do with this Olympiad, but you have touched on an interesting topic. Has anyone seen information about trans athletes who will participate in this olympiad? As far as I remember, several trans athletes took part in the last summer olympiad, but did not achieve any success. I also wonder how such athletes will perform in China, as far as I know such things are not welcome there.

You cant expect medals from trans athlete straight away. They are very recently included in olympics and its a welcome move, nobody cares about people who are not in favout of there inclusion. Give them some time and space just like we gave to normal athletes. On 21 July 2021, at the same Games, Canadian non-binary soccer player Quinn became the first transgender person to compete at the Olympics, playing for the Canadian women's soccer team.   

Sad news. I have nothing against trans athletes (and generally against trans people), but I think that women with a male body have an advantage over women with a female body. This is supported by the statistics and by the fact that there are many successful trans women, but I have not heard of any of the successful trans men. Perhaps the ideal solution would be to allocate a separate category for transathletes.

[joker_josue]

Sad news. I have nothing against trans athletes (and generally against trans people), but I think that women with a male body have an advantage over women with a female body. This is supported by the statistics and by the fact that there are many successful trans women, but I have not heard of any of the successful trans men. Perhaps the ideal solution would be to allocate a separate category for transathletes.

I share the same idea. It is one thing for a person to feel that he is of another gender, another is for the body to have characteristics of that gender. Now, it will be very complicated for federations to create a specific category, taking into account how socially this can be seen. So it will always be difficult to deal with this situation.

[AmoreJaz]

More controversies are part of the Beijing Summer Olympics for humanitarian reasons. The country keeps taking adequate measures to keep the three Olympic locations isolated from the rest of the nation. This has been criticised by other countries, but they aren't taken into consideration by the government. Even after such a restricted way of conducting the events, 34 have been tested positive. There is political pressure, health and safety measures from Western Nations are supporting the country overcome these problems.

i don't think they will attain zero infection here, but it is up to them how they will contain the situation as this is not the first country to manage an event like this during pandemic. for sure, they got some pointers during the tokyo 2020 (happened jul-aug 2021) olympics.
controversies will always be a part of any event but it is up to the host country how they will handle this event to put troubles at minimum.
 for us, spectators, just be happy that we can bet at the comfort of our homes.

[wxa7115]

However in the games in which your skill is more important this is not necessary, for example do you need illegal enhancing drugs to shoot a bow and arrow? Most likely the answer is no, and in such a sport cheating by using illegal substances is way more rare compared to what we see in other disciplines.

Athletes will find a way to cheat archery anyway. Use aimbot or have a built in glasses scope, zoom or wind statistics. Or cheat with bow or an arrow. If pharmacology cant help, engineers will do.

This is sad but you are right, if someone is determined to cheat then they are going to find way to do so, after all when it comes to esports there have been many scandals of people using software that aims for them to get perfect shots every time.

So it would not be impossible that someone has tried this already and if they have not that they will try this in the future and get an unfair advantage that way.

[joker_josue]

This is sad but you are right, if someone is determined to cheat then they are going to find way to do so, after all when it comes to esports there have been many scandals of people using software that aims for them to get perfect shots every time.

So it would not be impossible that someone has tried this already and if they have not that they will try this in the future and get an unfair advantage that way.

Unfortunately, when someone really wants to cheat, they will try to come up with a scheme to achieve this, even though it may take time to achieve it. But once you get it, without getting caught, then you'll take advantage.

Although organizations continually try to control this type of situation, to try to prevent them from happening, it is always difficult. This turns out to be a game of mouse and cat, where one tries to run away from the other.

One thing is for sure, sooner or later these cheaters end up getting caught. They may have already caused several problems, difficult to solve.

[KTChampions]

Unfortunately, when someone really wants to cheat, they will try to come up with a scheme to achieve this, even though it may take time to achieve it. But once you get it, without getting caught, then you'll take advantage.

Although organizations continually try to control this type of situation, to try to prevent them from happening, it is always difficult. This turns out to be a game of mouse and cat, where one tries to run away from the other.

One thing is for sure, sooner or later these cheaters end up getting caught. They may have already caused several problems, difficult to solve.

Modern sport is a struggle not only (and not so much) of athletes, but also a struggle of pharmacology. When sports federations ban a substance as doping, laboratories immediately develop a substance with similar properties but with a different chemical composition. And this race is endless. It's hard to say whether this is good or bad, because in the process, new drugs / stimulants are being developed that ordinary people can then use.

[LTU_btc]

One thing is for sure, sooner or later these cheaters end up getting caught. They may have already caused several problems, difficult to solve.

Yeah, cheaters always will find ways how to cheat. And it doesn't even matter which sports it is, whether it's weightlifting or chess.
You're right that cheaters will be caught sooner or later. Fair athletes will get their earned medals eventually, but they won't have that memorable moment when you see your country flag raised and anthem played during medal ceremony.

As I guess swimming has nothing to do with this Olympiad, but you have touched on an interesting topic. Has anyone seen information about trans athletes who will participate in this olympiad? As far as I remember, several trans athletes took part in the last summer olympiad, but did not achieve any success. I also wonder how such athletes will perform in China, as far as I know such things are not welcome there.

As far as I know, probably there won't be transgender athletes in Winter Olympics. Otherwise I guess news about it would spread widely already.
Personally, I'm sceptical about transgenders in such competition. For example, someone in male body competing against female, it's just not fair.

[joker_josue]

The games start today, with the following modalities:

Luge (02 Feb 2022, 19:30) Men's Singles Training Group A Run 1

Curling (02 Feb 2022, 20:05) Mixed Doubles Round Robin Session 1
SWE vs GBR
AUS vs USA
NOR vs CZE
CHN vs SUI


Beijing time

[TopTort777]

That is the thing I could never understand. Why would teams compete, show strategies, show team rosters before Olympics starts.
It is ok with the luge and sports like that - athletes test track. But what can team test in curling? Ice? Brush or rocks? Teams can have some training before games start, but why team play curling today and tomorrow?

[KTChampions]

That is the thing I could never understand. Why would teams compete, show strategies, show team rosters before Olympics starts.
It is ok with the luge and sports like that - athletes test track. But what can team test in curling? Ice? Brush or rocks? Teams can have some training before games start, but why team play curling today and tomorrow?

These are not training sessions, but official games. If you follow the Olympics, you should have noticed that the games start a few days before the official opening. This mainly applies to team sports (such as football) because the period of the competition is longer than the duration of the Olympiad. This happens at almost all the Olympics, both winter and summer.

[TopTort777]

That is the thing I could never understand. Why would teams compete, show strategies, show team rosters before Olympics starts.
It is ok with the luge and sports like that - athletes test track. But what can team test in curling? Ice? Brush or rocks? Teams can have some training before games start, but why team play curling today and tomorrow?

These are not training sessions, but official games. If you follow the Olympics, you should have noticed that the games start a few days before the official opening. This mainly applies to team sports (such as football) because the period of the competition is longer than the duration of the Olympiad. This happens at almost all the Olympics, both winter and summer.

I know that competition starts before official opening. And that was I dont understand. Why not then make duration of Olympic games longer, instead of running games before start? That would give some extra rest day for athletes.

As a hockey fan, I remember that game for gold happens usually on Sunday. And one team advances to final on Thursday, other on Friday. Always one team has one day less rest. If they increase duration of games, it might turn that both team will get same time for rest.

[joker_josue]

I know that competition starts before official opening. And that was I dont understand. Why not then make duration of Olympic games longer, instead of running games before start? That would give some extra rest day for athletes.

This is a situation that happens in all Olympic games, summer and winter. There are only 1 or 2 competitions, which have very long qualifiers. So that the worship of the tournament is always the same, despite new competitions entering.

Honestly, I don't see that too serious, when it's just a matter of qualifying, a competition that will last the entire period of the Olympic Games. But I understand, that it would make sense to open the games earlier, but then there were no competitions to fill so many days. It's a balance they found for these sports that last longer.

[LTU_btc]

I know that competition starts before official opening. And that was I dont understand. Why not then make duration of Olympic games longer, instead of running games before start? That would give some extra rest day for athletes.

As a hockey fan, I remember that game for gold happens usually on Sunday. And one team advances to final on Thursday, other on Friday. Always one team has one day less rest. If they increase duration of games, it might turn that both team will get same time for rest.

Only few competition which is longer and don't fit into that 2 weeks of Olympics starts before opening ceremony. It's mainly curling, women ice hockey, or football in summer Olympics. Probably it's not worth to start whole Olympic Games earlier because of few competition.
And I think you're wrong about hockey, football or other team sports semifinals - it usually happens on same day. For example, in 2018 they played both on same day, so, none of teams didn't got extra day rest.

[delfastTions]

That is the thing I could never understand. Why would teams compete, show strategies, show team rosters before Olympics starts.
It is ok with the luge and sports like that - athletes test track. But what can team test in curling? Ice? Brush or rocks? Teams can have some training before games start, but why team play curling today and tomorrow?

In general, it is clear that the organizers of the Olympiad hold a number of team competitions before the day of the opening ceremony of the Olympiad.  Otherwise the games would go on for too long. 
But there is also a negative point here.  I think that the absolute number of people in the world think that only after the opening ceremony the games begin.  And this is generally logical.  Then some fans are surprised because they miss certain stages of the competition.  But, really, whoever follows their favorite team is aware of this "paradox"

[KTChampions]

These are not training sessions, but official games. If you follow the Olympics, you should have noticed that the games start a few days before the official opening. This mainly applies to team sports (such as football) because the period of the competition is longer than the duration of the Olympiad. This happens at almost all the Olympics, both winter and summer.

I know that competition starts before official opening. And that was I dont understand. Why not then make duration of Olympic games longer, instead of running games before start? That would give some extra rest day for athletes.

As a hockey fan, I remember that game for gold happens usually on Sunday. And one team advances to final on Thursday, other on Friday. Always one team has one day less rest. If they increase duration of games, it might turn that both team will get same time for rest.

It is impossible to make a tournament of the same length for all participants, the organizers choose the optimal length. As for the different number of rest days, it is wrong to consider only the number of rest days before the final - the calendar is designed in such a way that the difference in the number of rest days between the finalists is minimal. If we take the entire distance of the tournament, then for example it is 30 and 31 days - this is an insignificant difference to talk about injustice.

[joker_josue]

It is impossible to make a tournament of the same length for all participants, the organizers choose the optimal length. As for the different number of rest days, it is wrong to consider only the number of rest days before the final - the calendar is designed in such a way that the difference in the number of rest days between the finalists is minimal. If we take the entire distance of the tournament, then for example it is 30 and 31 days - this is an insignificant difference to talk about injustice.

This question of two semi-final games being on different days does not happen in the Olympic games.

Usually this type of situation only happens in football competitions. And teams don't usually complain about that situation. Because as you say and very well, in a tournament held in 30 days, it's not 1 day that will make a big difference.

[galambo]

Sad news. I have nothing against trans athletes (and generally against trans people), but I think that women with a male body have an advantage over women with a female body. This is supported by the statistics and by the fact that there are many successful trans women, but I have not heard of any of the successful trans men. Perhaps the ideal solution would be to allocate a separate category for transathletes.

They are just ordinary people like us and have same strength like we have. Let them come in Olympics and with time when things get matured, may be we see some policies for them. Right now they are in phase of inclusion in Olympics. I am sure Olympics committee have some policies regarding there inclusion. 

[TopTort777]

transathletes.

They are just ordinary people like us and have same strength like we have.

Maybe in winter olympic sports there is not so huge gap between such athletes, but during summer olympics there was a case during weightlifting.
Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard was the first athlete to participate. You think this is fair? He/she did not won a gold medal, but he/she is having worlds gold medals. They are ordinary people, but their strength is different. In gym, I never saw women lifting same weight as men. If a transgender participates in biathlon, dont you think he might have slightly more stamina?

[blatchcorn]

Maybe in winter olympic sports there is not so huge gap between such athletes, but during summer olympics there was a case during weightlifting.
Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard was the first athlete to participate. You think this is fair? He/she did not won a gold medal, but he/she is having worlds gold medals. They are ordinary people, but their strength is different. In gym, I never saw women lifting same weight as men. If a transgender participates in biathlon, dont you think he might have slightly more stamina?

Laurel Hubbard has edge over other weightlifter but still she couldn't won any medal. Can you please tell what sort of edge she has over other weightlifter's? There are not many transgender in sports and I have seen very few in my life. They have strengths just like normal people so there is nothing to worry about there inclusion.

[TopTort777]

Try to arm wrestle your mom and dad and find out who has more strength. For me, Laurel was like a man between women. I might be wrong, I might be an idiot, but that is how I see them. I think his/her muscles, ligaments and joints were more developed.