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August 28, 2021, 08:13:22 AM
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This is not really new news but I read that there are already companies that offer this service, as these services are compared, a long time ago Google came out saying that they had reached a certain Qbits, but IbM denied it.

Quantum computers continue in their advance to reach the highest number of Qbits, they are not close to being able to decipher a private key, still, but in that process there are advances are being made.

NIST’s New Quantum Method Generates Really Random Numbers
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Researchers at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) have developed a method for generating numbers guaranteed to be random by quantum mechanics. Described in the April 12 issue of Nature, the experimental technique surpasses all previous methods for ensuring the unpredictability of its random numbers and may enhance security and trust in cryptographic systems.
Soorce: https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2018/04/nists-new-quantum-method-generates-really-random-numbers / April 11, 2018

Quantum generators of random numbers
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Finally, we present our new prototype of fully operative miniaturized quantum random generator JUR02 producing a random bit sequence with velocity of 1 Mb/s, which successfully passed standard tests of randomness quality (like NIST and Dieharder tests).
Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95388-7  /August 09, 2021

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The topic doesn't make sense to me. What does generating true random numbers have to do with cracking bitcoin private keys?
Quantum computers will excel at some things, but they will not be superior to classic computers at others.

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I don't think we are going to see quantum technology in embedded devices anytime soon because the very definition of "embedded" means that there is limited space for hardware parts, not the least all the tubes used in quantum computers which are simply too big to stuff inside one.

Embedded devices oftentimes have a problem getting enough entropy from its random sources because there is limited to no human input.

The topic doesn't make sense to me. What does generating true random numbers have to do with cracking bitcoin private keys?

Agreed. Bitcrack just checks all possible private keys (which themselves are just random numbers) anyway.

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The topic doesn't make sense to me. What does generating true random numbers have to do with cracking bitcoin private keys?
Quantum computers will excel at some things, but they will not be superior to classic computers at others.

What do you mean not superior to classical computers? They're made so we can go much faster than the fastest classical computers there is and they wouldn't be made, researched and developed if they aren't going to be better than classical computers. Yes they might not be able to crack the private keys but it's all just a speculation.
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NIST’s New Quantum Method Generates Really Random Numbers
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Researchers at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) have developed a method for generating numbers guaranteed to be random by quantum mechanics. Described in the April 12 issue of Nature, the experimental technique surpasses all previous methods for ensuring the unpredictability of its random numbers and may enhance security and trust in cryptographic systems.
Soorce: https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2018/04/nists-new-quantum-method-generates-really-random-numbers / April 11, 2018

Quantum generators of random numbers don't help in determining previously used private keys any better.
We know the range of private keys, and there should be no difference between a truly random or an ordered pattern of searching that space.

I would hesitate in saying that anything is truly random. Many methods that were thought to have been random have proven not to be so.
But, perhaps it is a step forward in creating more random, random numbers.
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Yes they might not be able to crack the private keys but it's all just a speculation.

No, it's not just speculation.
A quantum computers will have the ability to break ciphers that were previously inaccessible to traditional computers, however, they will not be omnipotent. In spite of what many people think, we already have encryption methods that are powerful enough to stand up to quantum computers. For instance, the widely used AES algorithm. (source).

Also, why do you think that the bitcoin protocol will remain the same and will not evolve over time? Bitcoin has already undergone many improvements in order to satisfy newer requirements. There is no reason to believe it will not undergo further improvements in the future.

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August 28, 2021, 06:57:17 PM
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When I read about this "Certified quantum random numbers" the first thing that I thought sure the subject will go to quantum computers, crack...

So it has been bit like that, but it's my fault perhaps leaving or having placed those sources of queries at the end of the post and of course having left  the OP brief in its approach...

I do not say anywhere that today's Qbits are better in ... or in relation to ...

It's about the related industry that "exists" in this field, databases, the quantum Internet, what I mention in this post ...

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I would hesitate in saying that anything is truly random. Many methods that were thought to have been random have proven not to be so.
But, perhaps it is a step forward in creating more random, random numbers.

Indeed it is so, there is not a certainty of 100%.

The topic doesn't make sense to me. What does generating true random numbers have to do with cracking bitcoin private keys?
Quantum computers will excel at some things, but they will not be superior to classic computers at others.


I already answered something or I am trying to do it, but I like your answer, because the subject of quantum mechanics does not make logical sense and cannot be explained but it has many applications, but of course it is quantum and you mean the OP, so .. What can I tell you, yes, no, or both.

On the other hand, however, I find it extremely curious that in your same post is the answer and I quote:

"...Quantum computers will excel at some things, but they will not be superior to classic computers at others."
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August 28, 2021, 07:05:15 PM
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Yes sir you are right and i also agreed with you. This post dosen't make any sense to me also. No doubt quantum computers are the best computers according to tech experts. But is there any sense of about true random number for such cracking bitcoin private keys. Quantam could be best but classic conputer are the real boss.

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You tech analysis is quite informative than the topic. Which should be more acceptable to us. That's it sir. Because after reading all of your point of view i think you both are giving us such needy information thanks for it.
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August 28, 2021, 08:41:48 PM
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Here we go with one more Quantum topic...but this time I save good news for all doomers who think that quantum computers will kill Bitcoin yet again.
Scientists from Germany created RISC-V Chip that has quantum-resistant encryption and interesting thing is that this RISC-V standard is open source, that could mean creation of new algorithms:
https://spectrum.ieee.org/risc-v-chip-delivers-quantum-resistant-encryption

The topic doesn't make sense to me. What does generating true random numbers have to do with cracking bitcoin private keys?
Many random numbers generators are not really generating true random numbers and that can be applied to some Bitcoin wallets.

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Grateful for your opinions and guidance.


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Yes sir you are right and i also agreed with you. This post dosen't make any sense to me also. ...//...:
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You tech analysis is quite informative than the topic. Which should be more acceptable to us. That's it sir. Because after reading all of your point of view i think you both are giving us such needy information thanks for it.

...//,,,, No doubt quantum computers are the best computers according to tech experts,,,//,,,, Quantam could be best but classic conputer are the real boss.
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This issue is not about a competition between bitsvsQbits.

Subject:Certified quantum random numbers.
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Yes sir you are right and i also agreed with you. This post dosen't make any sense to me also. ...//...:
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You tech analysis is quite informative than the topic. Which should be more acceptable to us. That's it sir. Because after reading all of your point of view i think you both are giving us such needy information thanks for it.
Hi, when I disagree with someone and that has been manifested in a post by another user, I am happy to read it ... and unless I can contribute additionally, I put the "post" or the shitpost, I think that sometimes it is not so much To give an opinion if I agree or not, but from the contribution in the opinion to guide, that happens in certain posts not in all, most of them are of free opinion, friend it is Certified quantum random numbers that you know about the subject.  


/dev/urandom already proven to be secure, sp i don't think we need different RNG which available only for very few people.

Yes, it does not contradict the RNG available, but there are just companies that are making this type of technology accessible, well maybe not accessible in price but available.

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Which is the first self certified quantum random number generator?
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In an increasingly digitised world expected to be connected through 75.4 billion devices by 2025, protecting the security of data is an essential task, whether it is for a government facility, private company or an individual. One of the critical components of any encryption system is the entropy source – the random number generator.
Source: https://quantum-dice.com

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There is a big difference between generating a random entropy (selecting a random number) and finding an already generated random entropy by brute force.
Imagine you are on a beach. You can select any grain of sand at random in an instant. You just pick up a fistful of sand and select one. But it will take you years to find the single grain of sand someone else selected and maybe marked on that same beach.

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A quantum computers will have the ability to break ciphers that were previously inaccessible to traditional computers, however, they will not be omnipotent. In spite of what many people think, we already have encryption methods that are powerful enough to stand up to quantum computers. For instance, the widely used AES algorithm. (source).
As in symmetric cryptography isn't in the equation because there isn't any algorithms to effectively break them, so AES is just one of them. The problem we're looking at with QC is asymmetric cryptography, which hasn't been sufficiently developed as an alternative or some of them involves more tradeoffs.

It sounds like snakeoil to me. Your radioactive decay, which can be measured with a Geiger counter has an uncertainty which serves to be sufficiently secure as a source of randomness. Radioactivity is already a function of quantum mechanics, so not sure why it would be a big deal.

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