Affiliates (Paid Streamers) - Fair or Not to other non-paid gamblers?

[Kakmakr]

So, we know there are a lot of people out there, that are getting money from casinos to gamble and to Stream that online. It is no secret and widely known and a lot of discussion is currently happening, since Twitch has clamped down on some of them.

https://www.wired.com/story/twitch-streamers-crypto-gambling-boom/

https://logincasino.org/article/how-much-do-twitch-streamers-make-on-casino-partnerships65068.html  <== Top Streamers make from $100 000 pm.

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

So what do you think...? Is this fair or not... let's make this a good discussion. (Ps... I merit people for constructive posting) 

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[Kong Hey Pakboy]

I think it's fair because Syztmz decided on his own volition to broadcast his gambling journey to the people and he wasn't forced by the casino to play them in his streams so I think it's fair that he loses his own money. That's my take on this discussion.

[fiulpro]

Most of the players or the gamblers who are paid at the ones who are really into the whole thing and are good at it, they are streaming for a while and have maintained their image in the industry. Therefore I think this might be taken as a form of advertising. Which is completely okay, this is something that all the big companies do very often. The advertisements we see on televisions are all based on something like that, so I do believe that we cannot make a fair argument against them until and unless the contract states that they have to be really +ve about everything, they have to only say good things about the game/casino. If the review is fair then there is nothing that should be considered wrong on the first place.

[zanezane]

Kind of sounds like Syztmz is ranting about how special he is for not being sponsored and how rich he is that he doesn't bat an eye losing his own money in gambling and a considerable amount at that. I think it's fair but it's unfair that he calls out streamers that gets sponsored because you don't do that as a content creator that has sponsors, you don't target their money makers especially if they didn't do anything wrong.

[YOSHIE]

The main factors that every gambling addict needs to pay attention to are: not on the basis of the prospect of winning, in gambling the behavior that is often owned by gambling addicts, motivation is based on their individual habits, no matter lose and win casino money and so on.

The prospect of winning and having a lot of money is one of the strongest factors that gambling addicts often mention, which is fun and exciting, even if you lose the risk still want adrenaline and endorphins in your soul, that's someone's level in casino money, sometimes there are many things that can be done to attract slot or casino players by adding credits and these bonuses will trigger the mind of every gambler to win big the next time or in the next game, even if you lose, you still have the feeling to return to the slot machine, the most serious risk.

[Jackl87]

So, we know there are a lot of people out there, that are getting money from casinos to gamble and to Stream that online. It is no secret and widely known and a lot of discussion is currently happening, since Twitch has clamped down on some of them.

https://www.wired.com/story/twitch-streamers-crypto-gambling-boom/

https://logincasino.org/article/how-much-do-twitch-streamers-make-on-casino-partnerships65068.html  <== Top Streamers make from $100 000 pm.

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

So what do you think...? Is this fair or not... let's make this a good discussion. (Ps... I merit people for constructive posting)  

The topic that big streamers on twitch are sponsored heavily by big online casinos if they stream a certain amount of time during their twitch stream and also post videos of their biggest winnings afterwards on their youtube channel isn't new. In June a big twich streamer named adin ross made a mistake and showed a discord chat on stream where it is obvious that he was offered nearly 2M $ for a month from a casino if he plays on their site. He rejected that offer because another platform made an even bigger offer.
see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BE-XJqQS0A
So we are dealing with really crazy high numbers here. Of course it those paid streamer have the biggest chance to win in one of those pool-based games, but that is just how it is.
Celebrities that have millions of dollars and could easily afford any luxury watch that they like get them for free.

[electronicash]

$2M a month for playing their own money in their casino. now i already have a new dream job. i'm not really watching these kind of video on twitch or youtube. but accidentally stumbled upon a video on youtube upon watching EOS updates. can't remember the name of the channel but the streamer is promoting sportbet.one. seem not a very successful campaign for that guy.

but having Millions to spend to assure winning for the pool is low risk for the casino. and high risk for gamblers. yes its not fair to a newbie thats full of hope to win the money pot.

[crwth]

I think the paid streamers are earning from those who have used their affiliate links and deposits in their new account in that certain casino. I think it's both a win-win situation for the streamer and the casino itself because they are being exposed to the audience of the said streamer.

Those who have a different situation, like those using the casinos' money and who are there for them to entertain, have a different agenda. It's to show how credible the site is and how they can "earn" money from playing there, and from that point on, new people can be hooked or something. It will be difficult to justify how much they can do on a certain casino, but that's their benefit from being a streamer. It's just like that.

When I read this, it seems like they have the power to make "volume" and "activity" on the site, so I guess it's for show entirely unless it's a reputable site already or something.

[Yogee]

This must be a continuation or in relation to your previous topic on RTP. That was a great thread to read by the way.

I don't think there is a need to expand on your RTP argument. There is indeed a level of unfairness there. Anyone with a knowledge on this probably wouldn't bet on the slot or game streamed by the sponsored streamer.

[maju69]

Syztmz earns a lot of money from advertising the casino as well as from its interesting content. Like on Twitch, there are many streamers who will offer their services and take advantage of the casino's advantages by asking for the desired payout amount. In exchange, the streamer can bring in many gamblers to be more active and bring in new gamblers. To be fair or not, since it's only been seen as a casino advertising method so far, I think both sides will benefit.

However, what is clear is that Syztmz who do live broadcasts must also reach the target of at least 20% of the promo profits they spread while streaming.

[finaleshot2016]

Kind of sounds like Syztmz is ranting about how special he is for not being sponsored and how rich he is that he doesn't bat an eye losing his own money in gambling and a considerable amount at that. I think it's fair but it's unfair that he calls out streamers that gets sponsored because you don't do that as a content creator that has sponsors, you don't target their money makers especially if they didn't do anything wrong.

It's obvious that it's unjust; we're in different situations, and it's his choice to gamble a lot of money and doesn't care if he loses because gambling is his true passion. So he shouldn't compare his situation to that of other streamers by criticizing those who have sponsors simply because he doesn't have one.

He has the option of getting sponsorship; he's well-known on the platform, so it should be easy for him to find a sponsor, right? Very unfair.

[Sanugarid]

It's fair because non paid streamers wanted to play at those casinos not wanting the site to sponsor them it's a bit of a snowflake situation in regards to what that streamer says in his live stream, it's his choice so why get mad over that idea that it's unfair.

[Davidvictorson]

So, we know there are a lot of people out there, that are getting money from casinos to gamble and to Stream that online. It is no secret and widely known and a lot of discussion is currently happening, since Twitch has clamped down on some of them.

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

So what do you think...? Is this fair or not... let's make this a good discussion. (Ps... I merit people for constructive posting) 

I strongly believe that paid streamers are merely businessmen and women. They are not true gamblers. They don’t have anything to lose whatsoever. They bear no risk at all even at so called big stakes. They are recruited to bring in the big bucks for  casinos at the expense of responsible gamblers and folks with gambling issues. Non-paid/responsible gamblers, must realize that they are not playing by the same rule(s) with the paid streamer and that the game is probably “rigged” in favour of the paid streamer.

[Fortify]

So, we know there are a lot of people out there, that are getting money from casinos to gamble and to Stream that online. It is no secret and widely known and a lot of discussion is currently happening, since Twitch has clamped down on some of them.

https://www.wired.com/story/twitch-streamers-crypto-gambling-boom/

https://logincasino.org/article/how-much-do-twitch-streamers-make-on-casino-partnerships65068.html  <== Top Streamers make from $100 000 pm.

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

So what do you think...? Is this fair or not... let's make this a good discussion. (Ps... I merit people for constructive posting) 

Anyone who is watching gambling streams (except for Poker) is basically watching one long advertisement. As you say, the vast majority of streamers playing on such sites will be using casino money and definitely have their accounts rigged to give a false impression of winning - or they may even win as a calculated means of payment for their services. The only exception will be those few players, who having more money than sense and a large income stream, are willing to throw tens of thousands away to entertain their streamer fan base. Honestly, you should stay away from this section of twitch because it is all a faked illusion to draw in more money for the casinos.

[crzy]

Are streamer really using their own money to play on the casinos? Are you gonna agree on this one or it is being on the contract that you will be using the money of casinos and later on, you’ll get your real payment at a specific time. Those streamer wont risk a $100k just to show off that Casinos, so I believe they are being funded to make a stream and when they done playing their wages will be paid and the same cycle continues.

[seleme]

The Roshtein and TrainwrecksTv just got $2mln hits on Plinko for $2k base bets, it is no a coincidence. Probably Stake team requires them to play on house games instead of all-day spinning thousands on useless slots, anyways it is the money of the Stake team, these streamers have to do whatever Eddie asks to do. It shouldn't be a problem for fake money streamers with million-dollar balances, the real streamers(Syztmz are the innocent victim of the bloody marketing cycle. It is obviously not fair to compete with the fake money streamers with raw capital.

[pinggoki]

The streamer you were talking about used his own money under his own accord, the gambling casinos that he is playing in did not beg him to play with them so I don't see the reason for his complaints. These paid streamers get paid because there is risk in streaming casino games in their channel. Imagine a big streamer, known for solely playing League of Legends one day starting to stream casino games either full time or on the side, there's a huge possibility of him/her losing viewership which could cause loss of profit, so the payment these casinos give as sponsorship is a fair compensation for when that event happens.

I think that most streamers are getting no real bonus against the house. While their money is coming from the casinos, they are still playing the same games the average gambler is playing. The only difference is that the losses are not hurting the streamer. It is much easier to gamble if it is not your own money you are losing. In the end the streamer provides advertising which means more gamblers will join the game and increase the jackpot.

This too, I noticed some streamers winning way above average but most of them lose just as much as a regular player who doesn't stream would. That being said, in-house losses are the only thing that the streamer is shielded from, viewership and donations may also be affected because why would I watch someone play poker when I can switch to someone else who I know plays videogames at the same instance?

[harizen]

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

Kind of curious here. If he had some concerns like that since then why still risk that big amount of money for the sake of playing on the specific site if there's something wrong with the system that has already been on his mind for long.

I think he can easily make partnerships with gambling sites knowing his influence and a good number of followers. He didn't try it before but instead, wait for proposals to come?

Anyways, can you provide the link to that content? I want to watch it for me to learn some more details and information.

[Wexnident]

It's fair I think? I mean, it's technically the streamers capability that let them be able to become affiliates of the said gambling site or whatnot, plus, the casino themselves are doing said affiliates for advertisements and endorsements, I don't really see anything wrong with it. The streamers also get paid since they actually do something for the casino, so I don't entirely see what's wrong with it. It may seem unfair but we are trying to limit the scope to money that came from the casino after all, and not really the "how" did that happen kind of thing. It's like saying money earned from the lottery when used against someone who worked hard isn't fair kind fo thing.

[ethereumhunter]

There is nothing wrong with that because the casinos will see how that streamer can influence their audience and help the casino get more visitors. If the casino gives the free money to the streamer, that will be part of the promotions from the casino and as long as the streamer does the job, it won't be a matter. Maybe people would see that is not fair but it is about how the promotions go and how people will take care of themselves watching those streamers promote the casino.