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September 17, 2021, 09:16:12 AM
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Wait, I don't think I understand you correctly. Your project DO implement an ICO, as stated on your page, as well as stating in your tokenomy that your team will not allocate any fund for team because they're already employed by Zero Avocado, Ltd. This part instantly made me interested to do a small DD because I don't think many project would do this.

And, although Zero Avocado's age is quite young (7 months), I have to say that said fact shouldn't justify its (dis)ability to raise a non-paid side-project, hence should be given the benefit of the doubt. What raises a small concern in me, though, was the appointed director, Sven Tomas Egerstrom, as I stumbled upon some search result about him and several convictions, a fraudulence in 2002 and the recent 2017 case of some ships? Can you please clarify about this.

Yes there is an ICO of the Zercados Token as correctly stated. The reply was to your question “can the business work with out the ICO”, and this it can as its already up and running. Selling Avoozer phones and services is already being done without the Zercados Token. But to fully offer the privacy and anonymity that users expect, a transfer of value is needed within the system. This is the Zercados Token being launched.
The token as per its White paper is also used to reward developers of systems and other things that benefit and expand (therefor also increase the value / income / profit) of the ecosystem.
This is why Zero Avocado Ltd buys back tokens yearly.
There is no need for management to be given free tokens on the launch, they are paid by Zero Avocado Ltd already.
Everyone who works, or more correctly “is contracted” by Zero Avocado gets paid for the task they have in their hands. Not for anything else. As an example The wallet app being developed for the Avoozer smart phone for Zercados the developers will get partly paid in Zercados and therefor have a potential better reward for their work instead of just a fixed fiat payment.
Regarding the CEOs past as you mention, not all you read is true. Mr Egerstrom has a clear criminal record in every country he has ever lived in. Yes he used to be a ship owner and has extensive experience in security related issues in complex areas. Maybe this is why he knows there is a good market for secure communication in some less democratic countries and risk zones. The Charter of a ship you mention was as you can see politically driven and Mr Egerstrom made it clear many times that he does now judge charterers by their political views, religion, race or sex, it’s same conditions for everyone. In this case the charters had less popular political views. In a democracy this happens, but the laws apply the same to everyone.
Political party groups and other organisations that act in countries where democracy is less developed are actually a very interesting user group for the privacy ecosystem as they often need exactly what the ecosystem offers, secure ways to communicate and transact with each other within the group. It’s one of many target groups!

I'd like to clear the issue regarding your director before we move to the technical matters of the project, if you don't mind. Entire post quoted for future reference

First, your statement that Mr. Egerstrom didn't have a criminal record, were you saying the snippet below is false?



Now, I didn't speak Swedish, but google helps a lot translating them into English, and I'll be very happy if anyone here who speaks Swedish could correct or confirm me.

The snippet said he was imprisoned for two and a half years for a "grovt bedrägeri", an accounting fraudulence, i.e. a misuse of company assets or faking financial reports, or was this document referring to a different Egerstrom?

Second, about your confirmation that his shipping company is involved in a criminal activity back in 2017, if we have to put this issue  away from the political side and the parties involved, I'd like to point out that the company were caught on forging documents. I'd love to hear your insight on these matters.
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September 20, 2021, 09:11:04 PM
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No your information is not right at all, the CEO has a clear criminal records check in Sweden too. You can always contact him directly on the telegram group for the token and I’m sure he can show you this.

As is your information of “falsified documents” for the vessel. There was no documents that where wrong. This was proven in court.

While I understand your need to ask relevant questions, please try to at least have somewhat accurate information.

But I’m here to answer as best as I can, so please continue with your questioning.
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September 21, 2021, 06:56:43 AM
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No your information is not right at all, the CEO has a clear criminal records check in Sweden too. You can always contact him directly on the telegram group for the token and I’m sure he can show you this.

As is your information of “falsified documents” for the vessel. There was no documents that where wrong. This was proven in court.

While I understand your need to ask relevant questions, please try to at least have somewhat accurate information.

But I’m here to answer as best as I can, so please continue with your questioning.

To conclude, you deny the snippet and, indirectly, state that articles which said Egerstrom has a criminal record back in 2002, are all inaccurate information and merely lies? As these information are published in several articles online, which were in harmony mentioning this 2002 record, one with a tangible snippet, and I am yet to see one published article which claim the accusation is false, so the situation here is rather your words against evidence. But, trying to have an open mind and neutral position, could you clear this issue by providing an evidence that said otherwise and negate this said snippet?
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September 22, 2021, 06:56:52 AM
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Correct me if I’m wrong but all EU countries issue something called a “criminal records check”. They are issued by government entities and not “online blogs”..  that should clear the matter and avoid any doubt correct? Why don’t you contact him and ask to see one? There is no need to trust anyone or any website when there are official and verifiable channels to use. Don’t you agree?



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Correct me if I’m wrong but all EU countries issue something called a “criminal records check”. They are issued by government entities and not “online blogs”..  that should clear the matter and avoid any doubt correct? Why don’t you contact him and ask to see one? There is no need to trust anyone or any website when there are official and verifiable channels to use. Don’t you agree?


Yes, I'm aware that govt. websites that facilitate criminal records exist, and I've been wandering around one owned by Sweden themselves, however for both sites:

1. I don't think these sites would be applicable for a request made by a non-EU citizen? Which, I'm not.

2. Suppose they allow requests by a non-EU citizen, it requires me to fill forms and bills. Hassles, especially since it's your side who actually need to prove the existing evidence to be wrong.

3. How do we know if the snippet is not the result of ECRIS requested by another party interested in you, thus asking for another form would just proving what's already proven.

4. In relation to point number 2 and 3, it's your side who need to prove the said accusation and evidence is wrong. Correct me if my logic is impaired, but from my point of view, wouldn't it be more efficient and beneficial for you if you request the form yourself? One, because ECRIS has an option for the individual to ask for their own record. Two, because the accusation and the snippet is already revolving around on the internet and will probably be there forever, having a document that prove otherwise will be very much helpful to clear his credibility for this and future cases.
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September 23, 2021, 09:26:25 PM
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Well to be fair, no one asked you to arrange that yourself. We asked you to contact the CEO directly and he could show you. I’m sure you understand that posting private info here might not be the best idea. And if you can verify it, you can also post that your claim was wrong. Then no one needs convincing. Much easier, much more effective, don’t you agree?
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September 24, 2021, 06:52:47 AM
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Well to be fair, no one asked you to arrange that yourself. We asked you to contact the CEO directly and he could show you. I’m sure you understand that posting private info here might not be the best idea. And if you can verify it, you can also post that your claim was wrong. Then no one needs convincing. Much easier, much more effective, don’t you agree?

Well to be fair, your post heavily implies to it, given how you inform readers about the existence of ECRIS, followed by an ambiguous "contact him", and directly followed by suggesting to reach official and verifiable channels, which, people would strongly assume you're referring "him" as the ECRIS themselves. Unless... you boldly claim that an individual claim of their own criminal record as an "official and verifiable" while the better option of a government sanctioned body sat one sentence before and after the said subject in the sentence. But, it's a trivial matter, one I'd really like to drop in order to keep us on track.

Now, about reaching Egerstrom himself, I said numerous times all over this forum that I prefer an open discussion where all the communication exchange can be consumed by anyone interested. However, I have to agree that this one probably contain a sensitive case (I said probably because it's still debatable, as some of his details are actually already exist for public consumption, I don't see how a snippet of criminal records which said he's clean will reveal details that's not already on the internet) and I really want to get to the bottom of it.

So... I looked at your group and didn't see him on the member list, or any members tagged as an admin. I find it kind of interesting that the handler officially appointed as an admin, @zercados_admin, is not even on the group. Anyway, how do you propose me to reach him, then?


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September 24, 2021, 08:35:08 AM
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Sorry that’s of course a fair one, my mistake. He replies quickly enough normally on Telegram @teger68

Sorry I missed that rather important detail Smiley
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October 22, 2021, 09:34:23 PM
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Sorry that’s of course a fair one, my mistake. He replies quickly enough normally on Telegram @teger68

Sorry I missed that rather important detail Smiley

I think it's not too hasty if I asked for an update for our unresolved matter, It's nearly one month since I reached Egerstrom and he said he's submitting the request and will inform me once he got the result. Earlier this week I reached again to ask for the matter and your CEO is yet to read the chat although he's online for several times.
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