What happened to BitcoinTalk in the last years?

[excro]

I feel like BitcoinTalk became some sort of "earning opportunity" over the years and now it's now just a bunch of people who are new to bitcoin and can barely form sentences in english. What happened?
I think that the more Bitcoin gets covered by news posts, social-media, etc.. The more people join the forum and spam bounty campaigns and seem to be spamming posts to earn merit which is something that you wouldn't see in the last years. 

Let me know what you guys think.

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[Bazley]

I think the forum should have diversified content. If it is limited to the topic of bitcoin, the number of active people will be less and less. Bitcoin is the king of the cryptocurrency kingdom. I want to compare altcoins to his people (which is inappropriate). We also need to care for his people. There are swindlers, unscrupulous bastards, and good people who really want to promote the progress of the cryptocurrency industry.

[Jasper HODL]

As more and more people know Bitcoin, this phenomenon is almost inevitable. For more ordinary people, whether they can make money through cryptocurrency is the most important reason they care about this field. When novices find bounty, they will be more inclined to participate in the bounty program than to study the spirit of Bitcoin.

[MAAManda]

I think the forum should have diversified content. If it is limited to the topic of bitcoin, the number of active people will be less and less.

Have You Explored This Forum? Lots of Sub-Boards You Can See Based on Your Interests.

If you want to discuss Bitcoin, you can go here: Bitcoin Discussion (We Already Here Now) | Altcoins?, You Can See Here: Altcoins Discussion, and much more. I know you just joined this forum last month, but you should have explored before making a statement.

When novices find bounty, they will be more inclined to participate in the bounty program than to study the spirit of Bitcoin.

I also feel sad if someone joins a forum without the intention of learning, but what else? Everyone Has Their Own Purpose In This Forum. and we have no right to force people.

[Coin_trader]

I feel like BitcoinTalk became some sort of "earning opportunity" over the years and now it's now just a bunch of people who are new to bitcoin and can barely form sentences in english. What happened?
I think that the more Bitcoin gets covered by news posts, social-media, etc.. The more people join the forum and spam bounty campaigns and seem to be spamming posts to earn merit which is something that you wouldn't see in the last years.  

Let me know what you guys think.

What Board in the forum you usually reading post? I regularly visiting many threads daily and I only read few newbie post that describes your concern. I usually post on Altcoin, Gambling and Meta. Maybe you are always visiting spam Megathread on Discussion board or Beginners and Help board. There's a lot of newbie post out there that don't have much quality for learning. I'm in the forum for many years and this is not the first time this issue occur so don't be sad. It's part of a newbie phase which will develop in the future once they are actively engaging on discussion here. Forum is still standing despite of bunch spam post during 2017 ICO season tho. This is not the worst if you've been during that time. Maybe check those blacklist spammer user of different trusted user here like Actmyname, Lauda and many more...

Spammer List Thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4440941.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183601.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183601.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545652.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1241968.0

[mk4]

It has been this way since like 2016-2017. While it sucks that a HUGE majority are only here solely for the money, you can still have some great conversations if you just filter out all the noise. It's the simple fact that every communications platforms will have their downsides— Bitcointalk has bounty spammers, while Reddit and Twitter has some coin shillers.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Let me know what you guys think.

We're all of the same opinion but just because some group of people are more invested in abusing the privilege given to them, that doesn't mean other have to be punished for it, I guess that's the reason behind theymos not banning all the avenues to profit monetary from the forum like signature and bounties.

Users that does adhere to the rule and regulations of the forum and spend most of their time on the forum do deserve same like social media feelings (earning opportunity). This days 90% of the social platform can be used as a host platform for personal side hustles or earn directly from the sites. I believe the forum does have the interest of giving her users such feeling as they stays engage with the forum.

The forum would had been a more friendly environment if everyone understand what the privilege are and not considered them to be some milking avenue for their financial difficulties but that's too much to ask from the spammers.

[amishmanish]

I think more than just the bounty earners or Sig campaigners (myself included), this forum has a lot of people deeply involved in the functioning of sub-boards and economies there. There are the campaign managers, spam hunters, scam catchers, plagiarism catchers, Alt-coin evangelists, hardware sellers, collectible enthusiasts, gamblers. A huge group of users deeply invested in the platform. As @mk4 said, it is still better than having to go on facebook and go through an AI suggested newsfeed.

The forum still hosts the likes of G. Maxwell and Achow who appear once in a while with the core updates as well as to provide information in the Technical discussion section. Even a decentralized cryptocurrency which cannot be taken down by anyone needs a roundtable once in a while. In a scenario when all else will break down, i think the forum will still remain a congregation spot.

[Jawhead999]

I feel like BitcoinTalk became some sort of "earning opportunity" over the years and now it's now just a bunch of people who are new to bitcoin and can barely form sentences in english. What happened?
I think that the more Bitcoin gets covered by news posts, social-media, etc.. The more people join the forum and spam bounty campaigns and seem to be spamming posts to earn merit which is something that you wouldn't see in the last years.  

You have a point, but I disagree with your opinion.

1. You wouldn't earn merit if you only create spam posts.
2. Rank up system before merit system was implemented is sucks because you can rank up based on your activity only, you can create one liner spam posts and 2 years old account, you'll rank up to legendary easily. So, merit is far better than previous.

Since on bounties you'll be accepted even if you're a spammer and no strict rules about it, there no solution except the manager more strict to accept participants and report spam post to moderators.

Move this thread to Meta section.

[TheUltraElite]

I feel like BitcoinTalk became some sort of "earning opportunity" over the years

On Reddit it is paid shills. On Twitter, Facebook it is paid bounty participants. You can see the similarity now?

and now it's now just a bunch of people who are new to bitcoin and can barely form sentences in english.

Language barriers might be present for such incidents to be present. I specially found certain country users English to be barely understandable or sometimes even give a wrong meaning. Not that you can help that, but guide them to post in their "Local" sections. Otherwise, just report the post as "Offtopic" and most of the times it gets acted upon by mods.

I think that the more Bitcoin gets covered by news posts, social-media, etc..

News sites are niche and they run mostly on the news already being posted on mainstream news or paid articles from crypto related businesses. I dont think comparing the forum to news sites is same. There is a marketplace area in this forum too where some people running businesses and a technical and mining related section.

Social media is the worst place to be associated with crypto. In case you are a long time user, you would already know this.

The more people join the forum and spam bounty campaigns and seem to be spamming posts to earn merit which is something that you wouldn't see in the last years.

Spam posts will not earn merits. Because merit sources are handpicked by the admin, you can be sure of this.

More people joining the forum is a good thing - it shows bitcoin is being adopted globally - do you not want that?

Lastly, if you dont like the content in this forum, why are you still here? You are free to leave if you wish to.

[20kevin20]

The issue isn't that you can be paid on the forum, nor is it that some people don't speak English that well. The real issue is that there are too many out there who only write posts to get their post count up. If most of us spoke bad English but were interested in Bitcoin and crypto in general, it wouldn't be an issue since there wouldn't be spam. I've been there myself - when it gets easy to earn, your efforts diminish and so you don't care much about what you're writing anymore. Unless you truly care about the forum, you wouldn't care.

[worle1bm]

I feel like BitcoinTalk became some sort of "earning opportunity" over the years and now it's now just a bunch of people who are new to bitcoin and can barely form sentences in english. What happened?
I think that the more Bitcoin gets covered by news posts, social-media, etc.. The more people join the forum and spam bounty campaigns and seem to be spamming posts to earn merit which is something that you wouldn't see in the last years. 

Let me know what you guys think.

From past few times you can see such degraded posts that only ask how can they earn money but you simply tend to ignore them and move your own way and post in the best possible manner rather than focusing on them.Because they will set no firm future for them and not gain merits also with such posts and eventually leave the forum as their purpose of earning was not satisfied.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I want to compare altcoins to his people (which is inappropriate).

Da fuk are you talking about?  And as far as this forum having "diversified content", if you want that go elsewhere.  This is bitcointalk, and altcoiners are lucky there's a section for that because Theymos threw them a bone when he created Altcoin Discussion and the rest of those spam-infested cracks of the forum.

OP, were you a member in the early days or something?  I've been reading posts on the forum since before I became a member, which was in 2015, and even then the situation was exactly as you described it.  The only time bitcointalk wasn't afflicted with the plague of signature campaign shitposters and bounty hunters was probably one day prior to the first sig campaign coming into existence, and that would be around 2011-12 (but someone correct me if I'm wrong). 

And yes, you hit the nail on the head--but if you browse through Meta, and I mean go deep into posts made in the last 5 years--you'll see that the shitposting dilemma has been discussed a lot.  Look at posts in Meta from December 2017-February 2018, and you'll probably be entertained.  That covers the period just before and right after the merit system was implemented, and Meta was on fire.

Welcome back if you're really an older member.

[mindrust]

Why do I have the feeling that the first 3 posts in this topic are coming from a Chinese farm?

Bitcointalk is fiiine. As long as there are sig camps, people will always spam shit. That was the case 10 years ago and it is still the case. Remove sig camps and the forum activity will down to 1%.

[YOSHIE]

I feel like BitcoinTalk became some sort of "earning opportunity" over the years and now it's now just a bunch of people who are new to bitcoin and can barely form sentences in english. What happened?

Nothing superfluous is done by other members here, it's all for the good of Bitcointalk and Bitcoin, you can see the first Bitcoin launched by @Satoshi and now.

I think the current owner of the Bitcointalk Forum:@theymos, has left a message from @Satoshi for many people in this world to do something about Bitcointalk and Bitcoin.
You want to see the message, what is said by:@theymos, you can read carefully and understand the content.

Bitcoin has come a long way in 10 years, but it still has much more room to grow, with both major challenges and major opportunities ahead. How Bitcoin moves forward - how Satoshi's work continues - is for as many people as possible to take personal responsbility for improving the Bitcoin ecosystem, creating interesting things, and changing the world for the better. Since we've long passed the moon, I hope you'll join me in aiming for the stars.

With the message above, I think Bitcointalk and Bitcoin are currently growing rapidly.
Unlike what you see today, what you see is all just prejudice.


And order another one, if you don't want to learn for yourself what @Satoshi has to say below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306

See the snack machine thread, I outline how a payment processor could verify payments well enough, actually really well (much lower fraud rate than credit cards), in something like 10 seconds or less.  If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423.msg3819#msg3819

You will be left behind and have nothing but depression and regret, he has left it all on this Bitcointalk Forum, just everyone in this world and around the world, want to learn, keep, understand, be responsible, do, the best for Bitcointalk Forum and Bitcoin.

For that, everyone here, especially those who are believed to have a responsibility to protect the Bitcointalk Forum from spammers, spam, etc. there is no particular group here, all of them share knowledge and help each other, language is not a big challenge for us, as long as they want to learn for the best, we know here [immigrants] from various countries, that's understandable.

Do you want to be like this person: could you be Satoshi - #1 did you learn about hashcash before bitcoin?, first learn the system and procedures for at least 5 years about Bitcointalk and Bitcoin, then you open another forum, so on, you are free to do what you want, you are the boss you are the owner.

(and much of what you wrote) just makes no sense.

Ha, ha, which part is that....!

Sometimes when I'm emotional when I read something that doesn't make sense in my mind, I write very hastily, sometimes my left brain says bad and right one says good, so it's a mix between bad and good.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Why do I have the feeling that the first 3 posts in this topic are coming from a Chinese farm?

I had the same feeling at first, but I don't think OP is part of it.  The writing is too good, especially compared to the two posts that followed it (which I have no doubt are part of a farm).  Then again, what the hell do I know?  They could all be RainbowKun's alts or kwalxdrzdz's or whatever that dude's name was.

You will be left behind and have nothing but depression and regret, he has left it all on this Bitcointalk Forum, just everyone in this world and around the world, want to learn, keep, understand, be responsible, do, the best for Bitcointalk Forum and Bitcoin.

I merited your post because you obviously put in a good deal of effort, but Jesus....I probably should have read it in full before rushing to hand you merits, as the above quote (and much of what you wrote) just makes no sense.

OP, are you seeing why the forum ain't what it used to be?

[NeuroticFish]

I feel like BitcoinTalk became some sort of "earning opportunity" over the years and now it's now just a bunch of people who are new to bitcoin and can barely form sentences in english. What happened?
I think that the more Bitcoin gets covered by news posts, social-media, etc.. The more people join the forum and spam bounty campaigns and seem to be spamming posts to earn merit which is something that you wouldn't see in the last years. 

Let me know what you guys think.

You are somewhat right, but not completely.
Indeed, too many are here only for the money. But on the other hand bitcointalk grew as a bigger and more diversified (international) community.
Clearly in the bigger the community is, the more the scammers, the spammers or the illiterate. Or those posting translated text.. 

Somehow I think that all this both good and bad. But I don't think that you can realistically have one without the other.
So, as said, get used to ignore the noise and you'll be able to easily make proper conversation.
I also recommend you start using the ignore feature. It can do wonders 

[Poker Player]

Why do I have the feeling that the first 3 posts in this topic are coming from a Chinese farm?

I had the same feeling at first, but I don't think OP is part of it.  The writing is too good, especially compared to the two posts that followed it (which I have no doubt are part of a farm).  Then again, what the hell do I know?  They could all be RainbowKun's alts or kwalxdrzdz's or whatever that dude's name was.

I see some similarities. First, to me that a newbie who registered on January 3 but only started posting two days ago is talking about how Bitcointalk has changed in the last few years smells funny.

Then, the first responder, he registered on August 4 but only wrote 3 posts since then and comes just today to respond to this one. The second responder, registered on July 5 and that same day wrote a few posts, but has a gap in his posts like the other two and the first thread he has responded to today is this one.

It is clear to me that they are somehow connected.

[GeorgeJohn]

As more and more people know Bitcoin, this phenomenon is almost inevitable. For more ordinary people, whether they can make money through cryptocurrency is the most important reason they care about this field. When novices find bounty, they will be more inclined to participate in the bounty program than to study the spirit of Bitcoin.

The question is that while thousands of people is joining bitcointalk today?
A) is because earning money?
B) is due to they are lover of cryptocurrency, especially bitcoin?
C) is that bitcointalk community is a source of living a comfortable live?
This question is actually meant for beginners like you to answer.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The question is that while thousands of people is joining bitcointalk today?

No, the question is why bitcointalk has become overrun by garbage shitposters in the last X number of years, and I'd say X>6, because it was just as bad when I registered as it is today--though there's been maybe some improvement because of the merit system.

C) is that bitcointalk community is a source of living a comfortable live?

Say what?  I don't expect that if I asked you to clarify what you meant that you'd even see my post, but how the hell does a discussion forum provide a comfortable life for anyone?  For older members, sometimes it can make them want to pull their hair out, especially if they're trying to read threads in sections like Bitcoin Discussion.  That should be the most sacred of sections, and yet it's nothing but a wall-to-wall, floor-to-ceiling shitbox of crap.  Haven't you noticed that? 

Oh wait, are you talking about the desperate booger-eating bounty hunters who work for a month or more for a handful of scam tokens that they may or may not receive?  Yeah, that'll provide a comfortable life.