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September 13, 2021, 03:35:02 PM
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Actually, your overall ratios are good, considering all the awarded sMerits (as of last Friday):
-   Overall sent sMerits: 15048 to 873 users
-   Overall sent sMerits to banned users: 459 to 19 users
-   Overall Merited later to be banned users: 2,18%
-   Overall sMerits sent to later to be banned users: 3,05%

(last 180 days counting from last Friday backwords – not exactly the same as current forum stat therefore):
-   180d sent sMerits: 4553 to 330 users
-   180d sent sMerits to banned users: 235 to 8 users
-   180d Merited later to be banned users: 2,42%
-   180d sMerits sent to later to be banned users: 5,16%

Me:
-   Overall sent sMerits: 13771 to 1565 users
-   Overall sent sMerits to banned users: 197 to 62 users
-   Overall Merited later to be banned users: 3,96%
-   Overall sMerits sent to later to be banned users: 1,43%

(last 180 days counting from last Friday backwords – not exactly the same as current forum stat therefore):
-   180d sent sMerits: 3088 to 419 users
-   180d sent sMerits to banned users: 42 to 7 users
-   180d Merited later to be banned users: 1,67%
-   180d sMerits sent to later to be banned users: 1,36%

I left everyone’s ratios here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DlUgqQhy6VSMMUufCUM1lPcyi-kI1EUGzXDHymrlOd0/edit?usp=sharing

So much/many wasted knowledge merits ...

Note: Banned users derived from @LoyceV’s weekly updates.
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September 13, 2021, 03:57:01 PM
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Actually, your overall ratios are good, considering all the awarded sMerits (as of last Friday):
-   Overall sent sMerits: 15048 to 873 users
-   Overall sent sMerits to banned users: 459 to 19 users

Damn! I sent 335 merits to acquafredda and 87 to Karartma1, for a total of 422 merits to banned users out of 459.  92% of merits to those two profiles only.
I reckon he was a very knowledgeable user, and I don’t know why he plagiarised content on the gambling section (where I have never set foot). So I think the merits I sent were done because he/she wrote something useful, but I am so upset about this lack of respect to the forum community…and made me top a chart I didn’t mean to.


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September 13, 2021, 04:58:46 PM
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In fact, there is nothing wrong with that. The task of any merit source is to evaluate useful posts and ... that's it. We do not guarantee that the user to whom we have sent merit will always adhere to the rules. I believe that it is worth worrying only if you sent merit to posts containing plagiarism. Then you should work on your attentiveness and more carefully check the posting of users before evaluating it.


Please note that all the plagiarised content was posted in the gambling section, where I didn’t even know it existed, let alone read it or merit it…
Any other content  I merited on both profiles wasn’t plagiarised, at least to my knowledge.
Enough for this, let’s not derail too much this thread anymore.

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September 13, 2021, 06:21:15 PM
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Knowledge and Skills are the two keys to achieve success in trading. If you wish to obtain success in the same, you need adequate knowledge.
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September 13, 2021, 06:45:33 PM
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Newbie account talking about knowledge>merit, which looks to me like yet another merit fishing attempt.

Dunno, maybe I am wrong and I am just too paranoid, but I smell BS here.

Yes, it's already so tiring to see the same repetitive posts from newbies that praise this forum as some grand temple of knowledge when really it's just an online forum about Bitcoin. I wouldn't recommend anyone to start their Bitcoin journey only from here, there's a lot of structured educational materials about Bitcoin, while here you will mostly find some personal opinions. And all these questions that newbies keep asking here every day like "what happens when the last bitcoin is mined" can so easily be googled, yet people find it easier to create a topic on this forum.

It's good to see that the members of this forum can see through the merit baiting.

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September 14, 2021, 09:47:27 AM
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Wow it is very good to see you are newbie and you got a lot of merits means that you are working hard and your and focus on your goal. You are absolutely right, newbies should learn first how this things work, make quality post and be thirsty for knowledge. Still it is hard for me earning merit, I should mainly focus on understanding and exploring this forum and maximize everything I will learn.
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September 14, 2021, 11:24:15 AM
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The knowledge is what brings the merits, if you observe what's ongoing in the forum, you'll realize that those that are knowledgeable in specific areas are those who get merited easily because they tend to produce more quality content based on their exposure in that area. What that means is, if you want to get merited, get yourself educated.
You obviously need to know what you are talking about to get merited. You need to sound knowledgeable and professional to be taken seriously. But even people that don't know a lot have managed to gain plenty of merits. What you don't have in the knowledge and experience department, you can always make up by being helpful, respectful, and eager to research and learn. 

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September 14, 2021, 01:59:44 PM
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You obviously need to know what you are talking about to get merited. You need to sound knowledgeable and professional to be taken seriously. But even people that don't know a lot have managed to gain plenty of merits. What you don't have in the knowledge and experience department, you can always make up by being helpful, respectful, and eager to research and learn. 
Getting merits is not a tough as well as not an easy task and for that you must have knowledge to share with others which can be in any field like technical, non-technical, economic, political and other boards available on the forum.You can share good and relevant information in the topics and if someone find it suitable and useful you will be merited for the same and even if you are indulging yourself in some healthy discussion even if you are not sharing something like a newbies sharing his idea or any technical questions which promotes healthy discussion on the forum comes under merit criteria as seen in many cases.

You are right that some members lack knowledge but it does not imply that they don't have any knowledge of bitcoin or crypto market at all but simply know the basics and Normal stuff.They might be having some other related information to share with other members but the whole concept is that you must be sharing, learning good information on the forum and this should be primary motive of the members and your secondary goal of merits will be fulfilled with accomplishment of the first one.

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September 15, 2021, 02:15:29 AM
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Firstly I would like to say I am also doing my personal work on plagiarism, I'm not too good in that. I want to understand more so that I cannot take someone else's content and use it as mine that's why the little I can give that's what I give.


I will tell you a very simple trick on how to avoid plagiarism, and not later cry for the fact that there was a ban.
Just write. Don't look anywhere at other sources, don't copy from anywhere, close all pages, and write your post. I doubt that it is possible to fully remember something exactly with the original so that later it would pass for plagiarism (I exclude memorization). Write in your own words what you think, ask, do not try to be what you are not.

What you said is a bit complicated, just indicate the source and add a link.
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In fact, there is nothing wrong with that. The task of any merit source is to evaluate useful posts and ... that's it. We do not guarantee that the user to whom we have sent merit will always adhere to the rules. I believe that it is worth worrying only if you sent merit to posts containing plagiarism. Then you should work on your attentiveness and more carefully check the posting of users before evaluating it.


I watched you want to motivate newbies for a while as you gave them 1 or more merit. Believe me, it was just for fun, nothing more. And I understood your motives very well. But since you yourself said it out loud, then for a quick check you can simply add an extension from prepostseo, or sometimes check the texts from newbies creating themes.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=3211920  Smiley
These people do not want to accept or read the rules, but they quickly learn from whom and how to get merit. By creating new topics, there is a better chance of earning merits.
I often complained about plagiarism from newcomers. And you can also understand that not everyone is ready to check any texts, since they do not have time for such checks. But sometimes it makes sense and also teaches others not to abuse trust and start thinking and writing for themselves.

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September 16, 2021, 05:22:37 PM
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You sounds like you already know what merits are use for and I'm surprised that this your post looks on point. Well knowledge is power! Power can bring merit and create opportunities for one which is the sole reasons why we are all learning everyday. Once you stop learning them knowledge will be diminishing without cos. For me, I tend not to compare the two words cos merit is just a compliment for writing a quality posts... simple!

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September 18, 2021, 02:29:00 AM
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You sounds like you already know what merits are use for and I'm surprised that this your post looks on point. Well knowledge is power! Power can bring merit and create opportunities for one which is the sole reasons why we are all learning everyday. Once you stop learning them knowledge will be diminishing without cos. For me, I tend not to compare the two words cos merit is just a compliment for writing a quality posts... simple!
Yeah,exactly! Instead of one to seek for money,I think knowledge should be the first thing that man should seek for,and when he has gotten knowledge,every other thing including money shall be added into it.
Knowledge is the mental ability of an individual in relation to the things he learns and experiences in life.
Knowledge gives strength and confidence,and instills stability in ones mind.
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Everyone here knows what you have stated that 'knowledge is better than merit' but merit is more run after than knowledge because most forum users are in a haste to cross over to the next rank and then join a campaign. Only if people will slow down a bit and do more research work before posting. You got 10 merits on your first post because of how you presented your post as someone who wants to learn and not because you shared anything vital there.
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September 21, 2021, 01:01:28 PM
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It’s no good to have a mindset in keep contributing to this forum just to earn merits. Remember, merits are just bonuses if your post has great value no matter if it’s short or long. Of course, most of the newbies and beginners here are having that mindset of “posting for merits”. It’s better to stop thinking about that and instead start posting or contributing here on the forum without any expectations in return. You’ll just be blessed if your post got merited, and it’s a great bonus. Your journey will be all worth it if you keep contributing without thinking about the merits.

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September 21, 2021, 02:45:38 PM
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It’s no good to have a mindset in keep contributing to this forum just to earn merits. Remember, merits are just bonuses if your post has great value no matter if it’s short or long. Of course, most of the newbies and beginners here are having that mindset of “posting for merits”. It’s better to stop thinking about that and instead start posting or contributing here on the forum without any expectations in return. You’ll just be blessed if your post got merited, and it’s a great bonus. Your journey will be all worth it if you keep contributing without thinking about the merits.

Mostly those people think about always getting that when they post a what they think good content to always get a merit to rank up and maybe they shouldn't stress theirselves by looking at their post since at the end of the day if there's someone will like the idea they give as if its helpful to the.community then that one will follow but forum users really need to focus on the ideas the can get on this forum since those ideas are more helpful to them since they can put food in their tables with the ideas they can get rather than those merits.

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September 22, 2021, 08:13:28 AM
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Definitely yes of course. Knowledge is far more better than merit my dear friend. Because what merit can not do, knowledge does it far more better.

And here are my analytics about MERIT and KNOWLEDGE

1. With Merit you can only earn on this forum alone, but with knowledge you can both earn on this forum and outside this forum (I.e offering solution to those in need in our crypto community)

2. With Merit you are allowed to access certain features on the forum (posting images & e.t.c) but with knowledge you can both be of great value to those on this forum and the crypto community at large.

So with this two points of mind, it is advisable to first seek for knowledge before merit. But thou both are important, but first thing first..
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September 22, 2021, 01:10:54 PM
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The first post I made on this forum was a post of my introduction and also my set aside goals I want to achieve on the forum.
I got from the reply enough advise, Knowledge and guidance
Like Frequent asked questions https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0
And rules guiding the forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
that has been very useful to me so far and I know if I continue to abide by them I will keep on going in the right track.
     With that said, Prior to my first post I never had any interest or any excitement of merits, in fact I had basic knowledge of it but as I found out I got more than 10merits on that particular post.
      I found out about merits from posts I see from Newbie's like me searching and crying for merits, saying merits are not shared properly, or wanting to know about merits so soon without even participating in the forum or reading the forums rules and regulations.
      Citing myself as an example with my first post on the forum, I have come to realise that searching for knowledge should come first before any other thing in the forum.
CONCLUSION
All these being said, I wish to advise my fellow newbie's to seek for knowledge first before talking about merits. Merits should come when you make a good post, so focus on making quality and educating posts than looking for merits.

Personal perception is what drives you to this I guess, but
am sure also that others do not have the same mindset that
you had, so to you "KNOWLEDGE" is the greatest, while to
others the merit and other incentives are the vital aspects why they are here.

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September 22, 2021, 07:00:33 PM
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The first post I made on this forum was a post of my introduction and also my set aside goals I want to achieve on the forum.
I got from the reply enough advise, Knowledge and guidance
Like Frequent asked questions https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0
And rules guiding the forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
that has been very useful to me so far and I know if I continue to abide by them I will keep on going in the right track.
     With that said, Prior to my first post I never had any interest or any excitement of merits, in fact I had basic knowledge of it but as I found out I got more than 10merits on that particular post.
      I found out about merits from posts I see from Newbie's like me searching and crying for merits, saying merits are not shared properly, or wanting to know about merits so soon without even participating in the forum or reading the forums rules and regulations.
      Citing myself as an example with my first post on the forum, I have come to realise that searching for knowledge should come first before any other thing in the forum.
CONCLUSION
All these being said, I wish to advise my fellow newbie's to seek for knowledge first before talking about merits. Merits should come when you make a good post, so focus on making quality and educating posts than looking for merits.

Personal perception is what drives you to this I guess, but
am sure also that others do not have the same mindset that
you had, so to you "KNOWLEDGE" is the greatest, while to
others the merit and other incentives are the vital aspects why they are here.

So what drives to get merit is not a matter but only how many merits are earned is a matter. The requirement to move up to next position is highly expected and looked up on as this is what will help earn more here especially from signature campaigns. Knowledge on what we are discussing and sharing is really as important as merits. As we all share our knowledge here and that is the main key to earn here I am sure. So both should go hand in hand.  

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September 22, 2021, 07:48:37 PM
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I think is very obvious what you are also after, I believe all what you just wrote is just a story you are also looking for merit and I think one person have given you atleast you have gotten what you want right. Your topic is really making sense and it's interesting which I believe people to source for knowledge and not merit, but from your right up I believe you are also begging for merit.

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September 22, 2021, 10:31:44 PM
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Knowledge is the basic.
Whenever we are, getting knowledge by learning is a must in order to understand more about what we are doing, to be ready with this, and also to really care about our concern.
Knowledge will be useful if we can implement it or spread or give it also to other people.
And knowledge will not be better if we only keep it by ourselves in our minds.

Merit is such a reward of how we can utter the knowledge in the right place, right topic, informative, and also people like how you realize it in what you write here. So, just do as best as you can.

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