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September 15, 2021, 02:41:24 AM
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this is the fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8XEtqNS3XE

this is just the fight of Alana Mclaughlin vs Celine Provost recently, the fight isn't on sports bet sites though, it's from Combate Global but if it was, it's a sure-win bet. the fight sparks a lot of debate in social media about its fairness because and it might raise your eyebrows as well because history is that Alana Mclaughlin was once a US Army special force to which his real name is Alan Mclughin.

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September 15, 2021, 03:30:04 AM
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this is the fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8XEtqNS3XE

this is just the fight of Alana Mclaughlin vs Celine Provost recently, the fight isn't on sports bet sites though, it's from Combate Global but if it was, it's a sure-win bet. the fight sparks a lot of debate in social media about its fairness because and it might raise your eyebrows as well because history is that Alana Mclaughlin was once a US Army special force to which his real name is Alan Mclughin.

This is not right like Michael Bisping and Pierre Morgan  I share their opinion this is not a gender equality issue, it's insane and unfair for real women fighting in MMA
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the restrictive hormone treatment that sports authorities make transgender women do before they can compete in women’s sport does not reduce muscle density or power.




Just look at this picture above there's really no difference at all
The power of the muscles and bone density is still there, it will eventually ruin MMA sports if they let a transgender woman compete in the Woman's category for me it's a form of cheating,  science is not 100% perfect when it comes to the bodies structure and density

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September 15, 2021, 04:09:34 AM
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it's obviously not fair. but if I am being honest, Alana Mclughin would have lost to a decent female MMA fighter. the dude is so bad that it is cringy to watch. also, have they not learned? I remember there was another MMA fight with a trans woman vs a biological woman. the trans woman ended up breaking the opponent's skull. 

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September 15, 2021, 04:15:46 AM
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They are still Man in which not fair for the women opponent , this may be applicable if the fighters has the same gender meaning both are transgender but if the opponent is Woman then this must not take place.

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September 15, 2021, 04:29:25 AM
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It's not fair and that's basically it. No matter how much others fight for the equality of transgender people, it doesn't hold to let them participate in competitions like this since it is for a fact that the body composition of a transgender woman is still comparatively different from a female.

It's already stated in the meaning of transgender, it may identify that you were of the wrong sex that was given to you, it still remains that the body you have is different from that of the same sex. Yes, equality for transgenders should be possible, but it doesn't mean that they should use it to take advantage of competitions since what you fight with competitions like the MMA is bodies, and not spirit (or core(?) idk you name it).

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September 15, 2021, 04:57:39 AM
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If that match was offered on sportsbook then the odds would've been one sided and like what you guys mentioned it's clearly unfair but the decision will depend on the organization they're joining since they're the ones allowing the fighters to compete in the same division. Then again even with an advantage like that, I feel like he'll have a hard time dealing with other fighters once he starts progressing or move to another organization.

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September 15, 2021, 05:11:08 AM
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It isn't fair, to be honest, but how come the fight has been set? It was decided by both parties and they are fine with it I guess but it will still be questionable on the MMA side on why they come into green light with this. I wonder if there will still be similar fights in the future but I likely doubt that possibility, it's too one-sided scene.

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September 15, 2021, 05:28:18 AM
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I guess it not good if the transgender will fight for the opposite sex because we know the genes they have origins from their natural gender and it's not good to fight with a pure masculine, still instead they can fight with other transgender too or else to the division they are appropriate. The last decision is still on the event handler and organisation if they would like to allow this kind of fight.

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September 15, 2021, 05:35:47 AM
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Thanks to the Olympics for allowing trans to participate in women by birth events, we will now see cases like this one more often. I hope that their numbers grow to force fight organizations to open up a trans-only division.

Honestly, I find this quite complicated since I read an article about trans who were born men but scientifically proven as living in a women's body.
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September 15, 2021, 05:40:28 AM
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Thanks to the Olympics for allowing trans to participate in women by birth events, we will now see cases like this one more often. I hope that their numbers grow to force fight organizations to open up a trans-only division.

Honestly, I find this quite complicated since I read an article about trans who were born men but scientifically proven as living in a women's body.
Yes it is indeed must needed that they should add trans division for them to face each others because we knew that there are many trans that wanted to partake but they don't know in which category they deserve.

also while there are no available spots for their divisions then they must face their own level in which male division because they only change their gender but their physics remain as Man and stronger compared to woman.

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This is a consequence of the ideological garbage that wants to equalize what is not equal.

And I say this without having any religious beliefs myself, for example, I am in favor of gays being able to marry too, but things like this are way out of line.

....it's insane and unfair for real women fighting in MMA

it's obviously not fair.

They are still Man in which not fair for the women opponent

It's not fair and that's basically it.

...it's clearly unfair ...

Don't say that out loud or you will be accused of being sexist.

Honestly, I find this quite complicated since I read an article about trans who were born men but scientifically proven as living in a women's body.

I would like to see the proof, because the problem is that when science is previously ideologized, it can end up demonstrating what suits the ideology. Did the woman born with a penis have chromosome 23 XX?





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September 15, 2021, 06:18:23 AM
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Yes it is indeed must needed that they should add trans division for them to face each others because we knew that there are many trans that wanted to partake but they don't know in which category they deserve.

also while there are no available spots for their divisions then they must face their own level in which male division because they only change their gender but their physics remain as Man and stronger compared to woman.

Having a trans division in any sports related I guess is much way better than allowing a trans women to compete in a women's division category type of game. We do promote a gender equality but we all know that a man's body physique was much stronger to a woman. Though Alana Mclaughlin is now seen as a women but there's some internal feature to her that has an advantage with her opponent. But there's also some aspect that we need to consider like that this fight were agreed by both parties and for sure the other opponent know this info but still they do agree then I think there's no cheating on the said game that Mclaughlin committed.

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I guess that is not fair because the power will still be different.
If they want to join the MMA, maybe they should fight with the other transgender people and not with women.
But if that is illegal fighting available only at the underground fighting, maybe that can be allowed as the fighter will meet with the other fighter, no matter if they are man or woman.
Hopefully, there are clear rules for MMA so transgender will not fight with real women.

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If we are talking solely about force of each fighter. They should be equal or fair since they are on same weight class. F=m*a so basically they are equal but this is MMA and each player has a unique fighting style. I think the transgender has an advantage but not that great to the point that he can surely win the match. Remember both fighter undergo on training specifically on for this kind of fight so I believe this not a total unfair but rather some minor advantage.

Looking at his track record. He still loss to a woman so my hypothesis has some point.

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Next time the trans is on the list, you can just bet on the trans for easy money. That's what I think before I watch the fight. The fight went pretty even though. Alana wasn't like beating the shit out of Celine, and (s)he only won by submission. BUT, this interview confirms trans women have an unfair advantage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRBGnjoWdo8

So if the technique gap is wide, the "real" women can still have a chance.

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I don't care if the females don't care. It is their league. If they don't protest this, why would anybody else care? They went full woke, now it is the pay back time. If this continues, those trans people soon will overtake female sports and you won't find a born female participant. Since I don't even watch any female sports other than the beach volleyball, nothing of value has been lost. Beach volleyball is however, my red line. If those freaks (no offense to my trans friends) manage to make their way to that, I might join the protests.





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September 15, 2021, 07:14:39 AM
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Don't say that out loud or you will be accused of being sexist.
I have stumbled upon people who would ignore all facts and base their opinions on their feelings and I've been called a lot of things for what I believe regarding the topic and I realized that it's better to just ignore it. besides, being in this forum thought me that members here actually can have a decent conversation even if the one they are arguing is against what they believe in.

anyway, this topic reminds me of a thread I posted before regarding a trans woman being approved to join the women's football league in Argentina.

If that match was offered on sportsbook then the odds would've been one sided
yep, especially if the trans woman is properly trained.

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September 15, 2021, 07:24:17 AM
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I don't think a match like that in any sport will get a point of justice. although I believe that in the match that happened, he had already passed the examination for more dominant hormone levels and or physically appeared to be a woman to get approval to participate in the match. but in body resistance and energy produced by the gender of women and men are still different.

I would probably prefer if the match were to be classified into a special transgender class. and not mixed in the women's class. I'm sure it will be more interesting because it's a professional match, not a rehearsal or a match that only cares about showing.

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September 15, 2021, 07:25:49 AM
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For me it's not fair because it would be unfair for them that in terms of strength, they either have the advantage or disadvantage, I mean South Park did a great episode about letting the Trans community join the same league, I say, we give them their own league like how we separate men and women's league, they should have their own league to compete.



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September 15, 2021, 07:27:03 AM
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Why did they let this happen because it's business and they don't want to lose followers and the organizations don't want to be labeled as racist or sexist and gender inequality, this is not fair imagine if they have a champion that is a transgender the title will lose the credibility and many transgender will join to compete and women will be left out.

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