Transgender on MMA

[iv4n]

Well, there's a history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports

This is not happening for the first time, but for sure it's the first time in MMA! I think it's not fair to women, but as Mindrust said above, if they want to fight with half man/ half woman then why not?! After all, they are all fighters, I guess they know against whom they are fighting!

One thing confuses me about these trans people... after so many operations to get where they are, why they are risking getting beaten and punched in the face? Isn't that like a huge health risk for them?

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[plr]

Why would they be on the same class? There's men and women's class for MMA so why can they be in there? Shouldn't they have their own because I think it's the true equality, I mean they wouldn't classify their gender as men or women so why on their class right?

I support that, they should have their own category hormone cannot change the mass muscles and Bone density, I dread the time will come that the top 5 fighters in the women category are all transgender, this should be stopped and organizations that accept transgender in woman's category should be protested I am for gender equality but what they are doing is inequality for true women.

[bryant.coleman]

Well, there's a history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports

This is not happening for the first time, but for sure it's the first time in MMA! I think it's not fair to women, but as Mindrust said above, if they want to fight with half man/ half woman then why not?! After all, they are all fighters, I guess they know against whom they are fighting!

One thing confuses me about these trans people... after so many operations to get where they are, why they are risking getting beaten and punched in the face? Isn't that like a huge health risk for them?

When they refer to transgenders, they can be either pre-op or post-op trans people. The post-op trans people are essentially 100% male. I don't know how the sports federations define which category of these people can take part in women's sports. As far as the LGBTQQIP2SAA and radical feminist groups are concerned, they want pre-op and post-op trans people to be treated using the same threshold. So essentially if a guy claims that he is trans-sexual, he will be able to compete in women's sport. BTW, what is the issue if there is a third, separate category for the trans people, in addition to male and female sports? 

[Davidvictorson]

this is the fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8XEtqNS3XE

this is just the fight of Alana Mclaughlin vs Celine Provost recently, the fight isn't on sports bet sites though, it's from Combate Global but if it was, it's a sure-win bet. the fight sparks a lot of debate in social media about its fairness because and it might raise your eyebrows as well because history is that Alana Mclaughlin was once a US Army special force to which his real name is Alan Mclughin.

This match should have been cancelled. Totally unfair. Who even makes these rules? Trans people should fight trans people. I mean, they should have their own league or something. And this should be applied to every other competitive events.

[izsara]

I agree with a lot of people who comment how unfair a fight where the sexes have to be the same. although this is transgender, but outwardly is..........
I'm not sure that the MAA rules can be revised for just one or two bouts to certify a fight. What will happen if this is used as a reference for other fighters? In fact, crossing the sexes in the same ring will result in a violation of the MAA rules and tarnish the match.

[michellee]

The majority wins in this forum and on media, people are voting it's not fair and will not be fair, this is not fair for natural-born women to compete against transgender, the transgender will have a psychological advantage over a woman in a match, their opponent will think that they are fighting a man, the bone structure never change even if they change the hormone, they will still have the strength of a man.

The transgender somehow will have more power than the woman and I am afraid that those women can beat up easily by them. Even if that women have high skills in that fighting but still has less power compared to that transgender person. Hopefully, those matches will not continue and will get attention from the public so transgender can fight with the other and the women can fight as usual with other women. It is not just about money but it is about morale and psychology.

[Saint-loup]

I don't care if the females don't care. ...[snip]

So in brief you don't care until it concerns a female sport you like... But aren't you uncomfortable to see a (transgender) man beating a woman with his fists, his elbows, his knees and his legs? I found that horrible, she heavily bled from her mouth at the end of the fight. I feel sad for Celine Provost, I hope she won't be too much psychologically affected.  

Well, @mindrust does have a fair point due to the fact that the female participant had an option whether or not to participate. While I know that this is not ethically and morally correct due to some biological differences especially when it comes to their bone density where most of them does not get affected and change even if you undergo with to an operation, still this is a business where the money comes in.

The point here is that the people behind this event were the ones who allowed them to have a/an fair unfair fight in the first place. And this simply means that once money is involved in such a firm, ethics will be left aside. What do you expect from a bUsineSS' point of view?

You didn't get my point of view obviously. I'm not talking about fairness here, I would have been shocked in the same way if the transsexual man had been 2 weight classes below Celine Provost. What is unbearable for me here is to see a man hitting a woman with his fists.

[Gyfts]

This is equality, right? Something the woke left always told us, in fact, demanded, was in line with basic human rights. Forget the differential in bone structure, muscle mass, testosterone levels, clearly men and women must have the same physical abilities.

I watched the full fight. The (real) woman put up a good effort despite fighting an actual man.

Since I don't even watch any female sports other than the beach volleyball, nothing of value has been lost. Beach volleyball is however, my red line. If those freaks (no offense to my trans friends) manage to make their way to that, I might join the protests.

Don't worry, it is coming, and is coming soon. Never in my life time would I have predicted women and men fighting in the same organization. Normally, we call that abuse, some might called it domestic violence, whatever.

[OgNasty]

I don't care if the females don't care. ...[snip]

So in brief you don't care until it concerns a female sport you like... But aren't you uncomfortable to see a (transgender) man beating a woman with his fists, his elbows, his knees and his legs? I found that horrible, she heavily bled from her mouth at the end of the fight. I feel sad for Celine Provost, I hope she won't be too much psychologically affected.  

Well, @mindrust does have a fair point due to the fact that the female participant had an option whether or not to participate. While I know that this is not ethically and morally correct due to some biological differences especially when it comes to their bone density where most of them does not get affected and change even if you undergo with to an operation, still this is a business where the money comes in.

The point here is that the people behind this event were the ones who allowed them to have a/an fair unfair fight in the first place. And this simply means that once money is involved in such a firm, ethics will be left aside. What do you expect from a bUsineSS' point of view?

Usually I would agree with you on the whole freedom of choice thing... but, I'm not sure how many of these fighters you know in real life, but they are basically broke.  Even the pretty high level fighters.  They spend all their money training and don't make much back from their fights.  It's highly likely (I don't know the specific circumstances) that this was the only fight she could get and while I'm sure she would have preferred to fight a woman instead of a man, I'm sure she had bills to pay.  Shame on whatever promoter put on this fight, shame on the man who cut off his dick to pretend to be a woman and is now assaulting women for money, and shame on anyone who supported this event by buying tickets.  Feminism is one thing, but in competition there is an expectation of fairness, and a man fighting a woman isn't fair, regardless of what surgeries he's had.

[cabron]

This is wrong. He somehow struggled to beat the real woman but I'm not sure how much acting he situate to make it appear as if the fight is fair. Looking at his previous built before his operation, this man has really masculine built with all the muscles which can only be achieved by someone who spends hours a day in the gym.  

If he has a sense of fairness in his mind, he wouldn't really be going into this fight but for money, he will do it.