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October 02, 2021, 11:15:43 AM
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I thought that sports betting was legal across the United States. So I was wrong about it. But then another question arises. How they are going to calculate the tax, if the sportsbook is not mandating KYC for its users? Unless the user himself mentions about it in his tax return, the IRS may be unaware of these transactions. And it gets really complicated, because many of the sportsbooks are based in off-shore tax havens such as Dominica and Cayman Islands and they are not required to provide any information to the US authorities.

KYC I think is mandated, especially on the site that OP mentioned, the Draftkings.

According to their terms: "DraftKings, Inc. will take appropriate steps to prevent unauthorized withdrawals from consumer Accounts. Users are subject to an automated Knowledge Base Authentication ("KBA") verification process provided whenever a user attempts to withdraw funds".

Don't know how taxation works there but it should a have tier depending on winnings.

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October 02, 2021, 12:33:28 PM
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I agree.

Seems like their Government started to accept that gambling industry is indeed contributing a lot of money in the economy, especially right now that we are just slowly rising up from the pandemic. Entertainment is very important to the majority of population since everyone is still at home being afraid to get infected by the virus. I hope Arizona will continue to legalized gambling industry to help its own economy to rise up again and build more things to make their country even more productive.

In the Philippines, the impact of gambling has brought about billions and billions of profit over the past year from gambling revenue alone. Imagine if other gambling establishments were to be recognized and legalized, the impact and profit could be an essential factor in dealing with poverty and education in the country. But the boundary has to be seen on which activities and establishments should be legalized.

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October 02, 2021, 01:31:01 PM
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I agree.

Seems like their Government started to accept that gambling industry is indeed contributing a lot of money in the economy, especially right now that we are just slowly rising up from the pandemic. Entertainment is very important to the majority of population since everyone is still at home being afraid to get infected by the virus. I hope Arizona will continue to legalized gambling industry to help its own economy to rise up again and build more things to make their country even more productive.

In the Philippines, the impact of gambling has brought about billions and billions of profit over the past year from gambling revenue alone. Imagine if other gambling establishments were to be recognized and legalized, the impact and profit could be an essential factor in dealing with poverty and education in the country. But the boundary has to be seen on which activities and establishments should be legalized.
Due to the position of the world economy what every government ought to do is to legalize and recognize the setting that will bring more revenue than to order for some loans and the Philippines governments are now for been understanding when it comes to this aspect.

However, I like the move of the Arizona government towards the online gambling site in the subject but I hope they set certain rules and regulations that will prevent people from addiction.



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October 02, 2021, 01:44:00 PM
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I thought that sports betting was legal across the United States. So I was wrong about it. But then another question arises. How they are going to calculate the tax, if the sportsbook is not mandating KYC for its users? Unless the user himself mentions about it in his tax return, the IRS may be unaware of these transactions. And it gets really complicated, because many of the sportsbooks are based in off-shore tax havens such as Dominica and Cayman Islands and they are not required to provide any information to the US authorities.

I do not know much about US tax legislation (I think very few people are a specialist who knows everything since each state has its own peculiarities), but as far as I know, the duty to report their income lies with the citizen. In the absence of a KYC, it seems easy to evade taxes in this case, but the punishment is pretty severe (up to jail time) so I don't know if the risk is justified.

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October 02, 2021, 02:19:23 PM
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Hi OgNasty, can you give an example of popular fantasy sports betting? I gotta be honest, I heard of this but I have not played this type of game and I don't know what kind of betting sites in the crypto space that are offering this kind of game.

Also, can I request the link to the full story or news, I'd love to read the full details regarding this.
Maybe next time before you ask this kind of question requesting for a link to the news just use that same time you waist in typing the question here to google what you are looking for as that will safe so many people time to read more reply here my brother. OG has answered your question by giving you explanation of what fantasy sports is all about and though didn't provide you the link but here is the link to the news https://www.legalsportsreport.com/arizona/

Don't be harsh. The user is asking for a betting site that offers fantasy sports that accepts crypto.

I looked at the link you provided, checked the first 5, and didn't saw crypto as one of their payment methods.

If you can found one, then it would be awesome to share it here.

as per botnake's post ,  he also ask for the link of the news and thats what XCANA supplied ( not the link for fantasy sport betting sites that accepts crypto ) although your right that XCANA is a bit harsh there ,  Botnake is only asking and there is nothing wrong with that , who knows maybe he dont know what to google and find the wrong links ? but it will be more sure if OgNasty is the one that shares it .  

@XCANA some users will prefer to post here than to research for the answer directly because it opens a discussion , not to mention it gives them incentive if they are in a campaign .
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October 02, 2021, 07:39:44 PM
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Good for the people that are in AZ. They don't have to go elsewhere just to be able to gamble. To be specific with fantasy sports, by just doing a little search.

There are a lot of players on it that will like this legalization made on that state.

Yeah, another cash cow for the state.
They are on the process on making things legal, the sports and casino games because they know there’s a lot of gamblers on their area and it can really generate profit to them. Its good to hear that some gamblers are really into Fantasy sports, this is a good start for them to gamble legally without any fear of being caught, now they can focus on choosing their players and have a good bet.
It's one thing for sure if a country or state declares any type of betting as a legal activity and that is to generate another revenue for their government.

That's usually really the reason why they do that because they can't ignore to imagine that how much they would be missing if they're not going to act on it fast and just let it pass.

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October 03, 2021, 07:30:57 AM
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Good for the people that are in AZ. They don't have to go elsewhere just to be able to gamble. To be specific with fantasy sports, by just doing a little search.

There are a lot of players on it that will like this legalization made on that state.

Yeah, another cash cow for the state.
They are on the process on making things legal, the sports and casino games because they know there’s a lot of gamblers on their area and it can really generate profit to them. Its good to hear that some gamblers are really into Fantasy sports, this is a good start for them to gamble legally without any fear of being caught, now they can focus on choosing their players and have a good bet.
It's one thing for sure if a country or state declares any type of betting as a legal activity and that is to generate another revenue for their government.

That's usually really the reason why they do that because they can't ignore to imagine that how much they would be missing if they're not going to act on it fast and just let it pass.
Hopefully, in this pandemic, that can still contribute to the country and give more revenue for the country. It could be a strategy to attract people who like gambling to come to the casino, the casino will get revenue and pay the tax, and the country will get the tax. Hopefully, the government is ready to see many people visiting the casino and spending more money because people will think that gambling can be their fortune to make money.

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October 03, 2021, 12:51:10 PM
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I do not know much about US tax legislation (I think very few people are a specialist who knows everything since each state has its own peculiarities), but as far as I know, the duty to report their income lies with the citizen. In the absence of a KYC, it seems easy to evade taxes in this case, but the punishment is pretty severe (up to jail time) so I don't know if the risk is justified.

I know that the US tax system is very strict. But there has to be a threshold above which they need to report the wins? I don't think that the IRS will be pissed off if someone doesn't report his win of $10. From what I understand, there is a threshold of $600 on Form 1099-MISC. Any miscellaneous income under this threshold is not taxable (I am not an US citizen, and please correct me in case I am wrong). I guess it is possible to classify these small wins as miscellaneous receipts. And in case you win a big amount, then you can report it in your return.
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October 03, 2021, 03:58:54 PM
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I do not know much about US tax legislation (I think very few people are a specialist who knows everything since each state has its own peculiarities), but as far as I know, the duty to report their income lies with the citizen. In the absence of a KYC, it seems easy to evade taxes in this case, but the punishment is pretty severe (up to jail time) so I don't know if the risk is justified.

I know that the US tax system is very strict. But there has to be a threshold above which they need to report the wins? I don't think that the IRS will be pissed off if someone doesn't report his win of $10. From what I understand, there is a threshold of $600 on Form 1099-MISC. Any miscellaneous income under this threshold is not taxable (I am not an US citizen, and please correct me in case I am wrong). I guess it is possible to classify these small wins as miscellaneous receipts. And in case you win a big amount, then you can report it in your return.

I am not a US citizen, so I cannot correct you, but I think that some threshold exists. But reaching this threshold may look different for different states, as I heard in some states the order is absolutely absurd: for example, if you won 80 bets of 10 dollars while losing 90 bets of 10 dollars, then from the tax point of view you won 800 dollars. Although it is obvious that you ended up losing $ 100.

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October 03, 2021, 10:57:04 PM
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It's one thing for sure if a country or state declares any type of betting as a legal activity and that is to generate another revenue for their government.

That's usually really the reason why they do that because they can't ignore to imagine that how much they would be missing if they're not going to act on it fast and just let it pass.
Hopefully, in this pandemic, that can still contribute to the country and give more revenue for the country. It could be a strategy to attract people who like gambling to come to the casino, the casino will get revenue and pay the tax, and the country will get the tax. Hopefully, the government is ready to see many people visiting the casino and spending more money because people will think that gambling can be their fortune to make money.
It will.

AFAIK, in most states of the US, they're almost back to normal so passing this legality about fantasy sports betting will truly contribute to their government.

What you've said is what is the usual thing that happens for the casinos and its relations and contribution to a country's economy.

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October 04, 2021, 02:45:16 AM
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I am not a US citizen, so I cannot correct you, but I think that some threshold exists. But reaching this threshold may look different for different states, as I heard in some states the order is absolutely absurd: for example, if you won 80 bets of 10 dollars while losing 90 bets of 10 dollars, then from the tax point of view you won 800 dollars. Although it is obvious that you ended up losing $ 100.

I don't know whether there is a threshold. At least for the cryptocurrency users, there is no threshold. In the United States, the cryptocurrency users are supposed to include all their cryptocurrency transactions in the tax return, no matter how small they are. So even if you are doing a cryptocurrency trade worth $5 or $10, you need to show that in the return. I guess the same rule is used for gambling as well. As per my information, you can't club together all the transactions and make a single entry. Separate entries need to be made for each transaction, even for very small amounts.

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Thats a horrible bias against the smallest citizens then, the largest transactions will belong to the rich who can employ an accountant to do it all for them and justify that whole expense.   If you put a red tape paperwork burden on the very smallest participants in an economy you create an imbalance and effectively criminalize a population for wanting to do normal business.  Its unfortunate if that is the case, I would think the only defense of the poorest is they are too small to be of concern on any particular charge but thats a poor way to run a legal system by suspended threat with every citizen potentially guilty by default.

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In the Philippines, the impact of gambling has brought about billions and billions of profit over the past year from gambling revenue alone. Imagine if other gambling establishments were to be recognized and legalized, the impact and profit could be an essential factor in dealing with poverty and education in the country. But the boundary has to be seen on which activities and establishments should be legalized.
The government is not equip yet in determining the websites or crypto activities in the country. They might still not know how to locate and track crypto users for taxing so what more when it comes in online gambling. Governments who are equip in determining these type of transactions didn't want to miss the money  that wil be involved in every betthey can get. It just need to have a proper implementation to seek whether ithey implement rules and law in a riggt way.

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With government what is concerned and the business of governance is to look ways of protection and generate income to pursue projects too to better the land. Fantasy sports is not really known to many and I don't think it is that popular in Nigeria. To legalize it in Arizona means it is old enough to  formalize it and generate income with it. The signing of this law by Doug Ducey has expounded the betting in Arizona.

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October 04, 2021, 03:59:03 PM
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How is it any different than a normal sports gambling for that to be legalized as if it's a different kind of gambling? Can someone tell me the difference because from what I've seen, there's not that much difference to a normal gambling.
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How is it any different than a normal sports gambling for that to be legalized as if it's a different kind of gambling? Can someone tell me the difference because from what I've seen, there's not that much difference to a normal gambling.

From the information when you search online about it, I think it involves a team which you select for both sides then you belong to one team and off course you play to win the other team. Maybe I'm not very correct but I searched and got that on quote.
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Fantasy sports betting is a different concept from traditional sports betting, as you don't bet directly on the outcome of any sporting events. Instead you create a fantasy sports team and compete against opponents to try and win money.

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October 04, 2021, 06:15:52 PM
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How is it any different than a normal sports gambling for that to be legalized as if it's a different kind of gambling? Can someone tell me the difference because from what I've seen, there's not that much difference to a normal gambling.

It’s completely different from sports betting… Your betting on a collection of random individual’s stats compiled with an algorithm some team of developers made up to give an outcome that isn’t based on any team winning or losing. This leads to a greater level of trust in the service since results aren’t as easily verified as they might otherwise be. I imagine a great deal more oversight is involved from regulatory bodies as a result.

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October 04, 2021, 08:29:56 PM
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In the Philippines, the impact of gambling has brought about billions and billions of profit over the past year from gambling revenue alone. Imagine if other gambling establishments were to be recognized and legalized, the impact and profit could be an essential factor in dealing with poverty and education in the country. But the boundary has to be seen on which activities and establishments should be legalized.
The government is not equip yet in determining the websites or crypto activities in the country. They might still not know how to locate and track crypto users for taxing so what more when it comes in online gambling. Governments who are equip in determining these type of transactions didn't want to miss the money  that wil be involved in every betthey can get. It just need to have a proper implementation to seek whether ithey implement rules and law in a riggt way.
Agree, it will be a hard time for them to target these gambling platforms and make use of it since crypto is involved . It will be impossible for them to tax the cryptocurrency and the only possible way is to exchanges and local wallets. I can tell that because it's cryptocurrency and the impact is very high depends on the how much you'll risk.
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How is it any different than a normal sports gambling for that to be legalized as if it's a different kind of gambling? Can someone tell me the difference because from what I've seen, there's not that much difference to a normal gambling.
In fantasy sports, you’ll be the one to create your team and choose the players that you want while in traditional sports betting, you already based your bet on the current team and that’s a more realistic betting. Fantasy is quite complicated though its also fun to bet like this, the score of the players that you have in real life can affect your fantasy team, and this is how you win on this kind of betting.
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In Arizona since September 9, the legalization of casino games and sports betting is developing, and it will continue to develop but at a slow pace.

This type of culture is an example for some countries that are planning to eliminate everything related to the advertising of gambling, as is the case of Spain and India, I suppose it is due to protection measures, but the fact that in Arizona This system is implemented, it is an example to the world.

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According to the state Legislature, Arizona should get about $15 million from sports betting. That money will go to the state’s general fund, which is the state’s main bank account used for running state agencies. The state is estimating the sports betting industry is worth $134 million a year.
Source: https://www.12news.com/article/news/politics/sports-betting-goes-live-arizona/75-ecaff4eb-0da2-4b96-a6bf-1e4c4b0c22a6#:~:text=The%20Arizona%20Legislature%20added%20sports,go%20into%20effect%20on%20Sept.

The news of prohibition is more popular than that of Liberties, this type of news should be repeated in the media and on social networks every day, so that people see the other reality.


I agree.

Seems like their Government started to accept that gambling industry is indeed contributing a lot of money in the economy, especially right now that we are just slowly rising up from the pandemic. Entertainment is very important to the majority of population since everyone is still at home being afraid to get infected by the virus. I hope Arizona will continue to legalized gambling industry to help its own economy to rise up again and build more things to make their country even more productive.

Well now everything is taking much more seriousness, for those who want to find the best places to bet in Arizona, I found this page where it gives very privileged information, in fact they talk about the App and everything so that players have full access to them:

Best Arizona Sports Betting Sites October 2021


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The Arizona Department of Gaming oversees the regulation of sports betting and was charged with writing rules and setting tax rates and license fees. For sports bettors looking to find the latest news on AZ sports betting, the best sports betting sites and sportsbooks welcome offers in Arizona, you've come to the right place.


Source: https://bookies.com/arizona

The good thing about all this is that things are going great for Arizona, with an extreme order for the sites, with its trust in the law it can become one of the havens for gambling and sports betting.

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