Someone offers MERIT in the bounty community group

[rozak]

I saw the @arslankhatti telegram account offering MERIT to members of the bounty community Royse777

https://t.me/R7BountyQA/11281

Telegram account @arslankhatti belongs to bitcointalk account cricketkhampion

Proof:

Forum Profile username: cricketkhampion
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=839645
Telegram Username: @arslankhatti

https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5586/55866078.html

I tried to see the MERIT history of cricketkhampion
10 merit from Qunenin negative trust
1 merit from  fortune1002 negative trust

history send merit Qunenin : https://bpip.org/Profile?id=698772

I do not understand what is done may violate the rules of the forum or not. maybe an explanation from another member can add to my knowledge.

and now I see the telegram account @arslankhatti has been deleted.

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[AB de Royse777]

Good spot. Left them a neutral, so possibly next time they will be in my radar. Also, I am considering adding the user to my blacklist.

[Awaklara]

hi @Royse777
don't forget to add this user in your blacklist.

[YOSHIE]

I tried to see the MERIT history of cricketkhampion
10 merit from Qunenin negative trust
1 merit from  fortune1002 negative trust

If you develop more about: @cricketkhampion you will get more Alts those linked give (Merit) to their fellow alt accounts, maybe they cheated in the same campaign too.

I give one example, the telegram used by: @cricketkhampion, also used by: @Ladydanareturn.

Proof:

1. Ladydanareturn

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5348863.msg57602845#msg57602845

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: Ladydanareturn
Telegram Username:@Arslankh1

https://archive.vn/wip/zo8dl

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5342047.msg57165220#msg57165220

PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: cricketkhampion
Telegram Username:@Arslankh1

https://archive.vn/wip/PlMr6

And so on if you check the profile of @Ladydanareturn, you will get another ETH address that is used with another Alt account named: @haasanjui.

Proof:

2. haasanjui

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: Ladydanareturn
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=840800
Telegram Username: @Habib
Participated Campaigns: Twitter
BSC Wallet Address: 0x5f72b58938EBEbD83Ca5EBeBC09036910Ef5D4e0

https://archive.vn/wip/HKqiT

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: haasanjui
Telegram Username: @Habib
Participated Campaigns: Twitter, Facebook
Bep20 Wallet Address: 0x5f72b58938EBEbD83Ca5EBeBC09036910Ef5D4e0

https://archive.vn/wip/kKk7r

Note: only one address used by: @Ladydanareturn has been developed, not 100% developed yet, only one address is taken, as above.


So, if you look again at @haasanjui's profile, you will see @fortune1002 and @postternat, also giving (Merit) to: @haasanjui in bulk (10) and (1).

Proof:



And, and so on, you'll find them all headquartered in the links below.

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1620544.msg16392690#msg16392690

That's all from me, if it continues, maybe more will appear here.

Regards.

[lovesmayfamilis]

This is most likely one large farm that Nutildah discovered earlier. Transfer of merit in the amount of 10, for useless posts, can be said to be the face of this farm.
Probably it is worth checking all accounts, and mark them in the same way as Nutildah did earlier. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5335270.msg57652170#msg57652170

[JohnBitCo]

The account next below the arslan, misunderstood the message and though arslan is asking for merits, so he replied, how much $ ?
He is also looking to sell merits.

[LoyceV]

Selling Merit isn't really against the rules, unless the seller is a Merit source. There's also this:

The current status quo seems OK. If you have to pay $20 per merit plus a risk of getting red trust, then that's a situation that doesn't concern me at all. I'm not going to lose sleep over people going to ridiculous lengths to buy merit, since only a small number of people will be willing and able to do that.

As long as merit sales are a black market, I'm happy, since that makes it far more difficult and expensive to buy merit. If that's the case, then the small volume of black-market merit trades don't themselves bother me much, and I think that it does more harm than good to get too witch-hunty about it.

But what's the fun in that

10 merit from Qunenin negative trust

Qunenin only merited shitposts, so it's likely he sold Merit. I can't find plagiarism in those posts.

Now the fun part: It looks like warhawk200 bought 2 Merit from cricketkhampion for a plagiarized post. I've reported it already
How to waste your money and your account 101.

[rozak]

Thanks all. I've got the answer to something that made me wonder about this case.

Selling Merit isn't really against the rules, unless the seller is a Merit source. There's also this:

input and investigation of all of them really helped me to know more.

[dkbit98]

Selling Merit isn't really against the rules, unless the seller is a Merit source.

It's not against the rules, but there is whole new business created around abusing and selling merits in telegram, fiverr, playerup and similar publicly available websites, and that is not exactly what we could call a black markets.
I remember few years ago someone reported trade involving merits and sexual favors, now that is a dirty market  

[LoyceV]

there is whole new business created around abusing and selling merits in telegram, fiverr, playerup and similar publicly available websites, and that is not exactly what we could call a black markets.

I don't visit those places, so I haven't seen it. Any idea how big the "market" for Merit sales is?

[dkbit98]

I don't visit those places, so I haven't seen it. Any idea how big the "market" for Merit sales is?

Do you really want to know the truth Neo LoyceV? 

[JohnBitCo]

there is whole new business created around abusing and selling merits in telegram, fiverr, playerup and similar publicly available websites, and that is not exactly what we could call a black markets.

I don't visit those places, so I haven't seen it. Any idea how big the "market" for Merit sales is?

It can't be that big. The higher ranked accounts won't buy merits because they can't risk their accounts. Consider a high ranked merited by people like Qunenin. That will be the suiside for that account.
I think usually the bounter hunters would buy to become Jr. Member or Member but then again merits are rare and the sellers will soon be exhausted . Also how much would they sell a single merit for ?  Maybe for dust only.

[zanezane]

This is the stupidest way that you can offer someone a merit, offering them in the Telegram group full of people that are from the forum and knows that it's forbidden to sell or do any kind of monetary favor to get merits. Good thing that this guy got done in by you good people.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It's not against the rules, but there is whole new business created around abusing and selling merits in telegram, fiverr, playerup and similar publicly available websites, and that is not exactly what we could call a black markets.

Are you seeing a new market for merits?  I ask that because I've heard of merits being sold on telegram for quite a while now--but I don't visit any of those sites you mentioned, so I wouldn't be up-to-date on any boom in the merit sales market if there was one.

And if that's the case--that there's currently a lot of merit being sold--I wonder why that is.  Are there currently a lot more signature campaigns than there have been in the past couple of years or so?  I think I've asked that recently, and I don't think there are.  Bounties, maybe, but not sig campaigns.

I remember few years ago someone reported trade involving merits and sexual favors, now that is a dirty market 

Ah, I remember that as well, but I'm pretty sure it was a joke.

This is the stupidest way that you can offer someone a merit, offering them in the Telegram group full of people that are from the forum and knows that it's forbidden to sell or do any kind of monetary favor to get merits. Good thing that this guy got done in by you good people.

Yeah well, people who sell accounts or merits have proven that they aren't always the brightest bulbs in the box.  Some of them kept creating account sales threads right on the forum after it was common knowledge that they'd get their accounts tagged by DT members.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Selling Merit isn't really against the rules, unless the seller is a Merit source.

It's not against the rules, but there is whole new business created around abusing and selling merits in telegram, fiverr, playerup and similar publicly available websites, and that is not exactly what we could call a black markets.
I remember few years ago someone reported trade involving merits and sexual favors, now that is a dirty market  

In my humble suggestion, I did say that there's so much of importance attached to merits already, why don't theymos and his team outrightly ban the sell of merit on this forum.?
Allowing the sell of merit will only in one way or the other help breed criminals and scammers on this forum which isn't ideal for the reputation of this platform out there.
Scammers can buy merit from other users in other to grow their account, and later in the future, they are likely to use that account to scam other members or cheat in bounties in a quest to get the money they spent on buying merit back.

If am asked, I did say that merit should be earned 100 percent, no one should be allowed to buy or sell merit.

[LoyceV]

why don't theymos and his team outrightly ban the sell of merit on this forum.?

Even scamming won't get you banned for various reasons. Banning users for Merit sales will be very difficult to enforce.
Besides:

the forum's mission to be as free as possible.

Scammers can buy merit from other users in other to grow their account

Many scammers are smart enough to earn Merit. You shouldn't trust someone because they've earned Merit.

[hugeblack]

Although Buying/selling bitcointalk accounts was widespread before Merit system, I do not remember that there were cases that successfully sold merit too
many Merits and therefore the black market for them is small and not enough to make changes.


In general, I do not know the benefit of it, as ranking-up to fullmember, hero and above required too many merit, which are impossible to collect by buying them, and the risk is great + joining campaigns does not only require merits.

It may be understandable to anyone who wants bounty campaigns and others that require a member's rank or 10 merits.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Although Buying/selling bitcointalk accounts was widespread before Merit system, I do not remember that there were cases that successfully sold merit too
many Merits and therefore the black market for them is small and not enough to make changes.

Everything is also simple here, if 10 merits are bought for the "member" rank, then, of course, you will not see more merit purchases, since for this there are sales of ready-made accounts.
Look at some accounts today that participate in token-paid subscription companies, there are a lot of awakened, that is, sold accounts. Since we already know their rules, you cannot change passwords after purchase.  

There is a rule that is not to change the password after buying an account. I'm complying so this account isn't locked.

[The Cryptovator]

In my humble suggestion, I did say that there's so much of importance attached to merits already, why don't theymos and his team outrightly ban the sell of merit on this forum.?

Theymos actually didn't permit to sell merits. One of the forum global moderators already answers it.

 Can I sell merit?
Selling merit is disallowed.
 

Here is the full thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0
Since merit sale for merit, sources is against forum rules. This means the admin discourages selling overall merits. Even theymos announce banning merit sales wouldn't help to prevent it. Merit sale dealing off-forum. Very rarely users are creating merit sales on the forum due to fear of a red tag. It's not much different announce by admin or global moderator. Is anyone following what the global moderator said? The abuser will always break rules, that's why they are called abusers.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

In my humble suggestion, I did say that there's so much of importance attached to merits already, why don't theymos and his team outrightly ban the sell of merit on this forum.?

Theymos actually didn't permit to sell merits. One of the forum global moderators already answers it.

 Can I sell merit?
Selling merit is disallowed.
 

Here is the full thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0
Since merit sale for merit, sources is against forum rules. This means the admin discourages selling overall merits. Even theymos announce banning merit sales wouldn't help to prevent it. Merit sale dealing off-forum. Very rarely users are creating merit sales on the forum due to fear of a red tag. It's not much different announce by admin or global moderator. Is anyone following what the global moderator said? The abuser will always break rules, that's why they are called abusers.

Well, I understand what you mean, and like it's commonly said that in every family, there's always a judas
Initially, I didn't know that merit sales on this forum is already banned by theymos, that's a good move by the way, but like I said above, there will always be a judas amongst the saints, and this is why crimes will never cease to exist in this forum, crypto currencies and even in the outside world, all we have to keep doing is to make sure that evil does not prevail over good, outside and in this forum for as long as it continues to exist.