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October 03, 2021, 09:00:35 AM
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I think this is a good idea, but politicians will find a way to use this concept for corruption, and I envision how will they do it...

Politician 1 will claim an essential need for their family (Obviously not needed) but claimed to be essential, and politicians 2 3 4 and 5 will be his backer that it is essential thus will be approved. And this will go on and on, and by the end they will have high end gadgets, house and lots for their children's, multiple luxary cars, etc.

Well, this won't work. Maybe they will gain some wealth, but they cannot keep it after next elections. Politicians simply cannot buy anything - because they do not have any money. Politicians will be a special kind of servants - they get humble living, some clothes, food to survive...



Ohhh, so all of their assets that they deemed "necessary' will be confiscated after their term? is that how will this work?, so even if the family is living a luxary life while the politician is in position, they will go back after the term ends. Oh nice

But doesn't that will affect their children mentally, and emotionally as their items will be gone without their knowing, thus having issues.

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October 03, 2021, 09:51:30 AM
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I think this is a good idea, but politicians will find a way to use this concept for corruption, and I envision how will they do it...
Politician 1 will claim an essential need for their family (Obviously not needed) but claimed to be essential, and politicians 2 3 4 and 5 will be his backer that it is essential thus will be approved. And this will go on and on, and by the end they will have high end gadgets, house and lots for their children's, multiple luxary cars, etc.
Well, this won't work. Maybe they will gain some wealth, but they cannot keep it after next elections. Politicians simply cannot buy anything - because they do not have any money. Politicians will be a special kind of servants - they get humble living, some clothes, food to survive...
Ohhh, so all of their assets that they deemed "necessary' will be confiscated after their term? is that how will this work?, so even if the family is living a luxary life while the politician is in position, they will go back after the term ends. Oh nice
But doesn't that will affect their children mentally, and emotionally as their items will be gone without their knowing, thus having issues.

Well, public service in my theory is hard and probably not for everybody. If you want to serve and have family, you will have to count with this. If you raise your children in material way so yes, maybe children can have a problem with that. But I think that it is everybody's choice how he/she raise own children. Maybe lot of public servants (in the meaning of politicians) would decide to not have a family at all.
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October 03, 2021, 10:52:51 AM
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Well, that's some idea for sure and it's a good thing your thinking towards abetted world and not just folding hands. For this, I applaud and encourage you!

Though, one thing I know for sure is about humanity is the fact that, man will always want to find a way. Most times, the looted funds used by politicians in office for the acquisition of certain properties are mainly funds gotten from contracts and not there salaries alone. In the case of trying to keep them away from accessing these funds, you directly hinder any form of developmental ideas with regards to infrastructure and basic/social amenities and one wouldn't want that for a country. Hence, you give the free hand.

Now, virtually everyone or most persosns has three price. Given this notion, the individual in office could go about trying for officers with corrupt triats and even not within the political system. Even entrepreneurs that seek to expand there business. A partnership could be done secretly following legal processes or even buying of shares in someone else's name and the trend continues.

So, one can only try, through series of exposing the corrupt in office and pursue for justice because, we can't just fold our arms. While we hope that, one with good morals standard gets to occupy the seats some day and his predecessor follows suit.
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October 03, 2021, 05:49:59 PM
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Hypothetical solution,for corruption,base in our country BIG YES,if the leader not serving good idea and good planning in one country never can solve the corruption,but even the leader in one country trying stop ,that situations still a lot of people or some of them who sit in politics ,hiding and abusing the government rules to continues what they wanted to be in the government.Must the leader good advocacy
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October 03, 2021, 11:07:04 PM
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Politicans should be regarded only as administrators who govern and legislate within a remit under the framework of a nations constitution and should be held to account not be a controlled opposition or through a party procedure but by the electorate. There should be a strong oversight board with the power to dismiss and prosecute those who abuse their populations through corruption and overreach the same way there should be an independent policing body to police the police but unfortunately men and women are corrupt themselves deep down and always end up choosing to collaborate with evil rather than confront it.

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October 04, 2021, 06:34:53 AM
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Politicans should be regarded only as administrators who govern and legislate within a remit under the framework of a nations constitution and should be held to account not be a controlled opposition or through a party procedure but by the electorate. There should be a strong oversight board with the power to dismiss and prosecute those who abuse their populations through corruption and overreach the same way there should be an independent policing body to police the police but unfortunately men and women are corrupt themselves deep down and always end up choosing to collaborate with evil rather than confront it.

I agree with idea that simple people should be the highest supervision over politicians. Well, it is just like that in democracy, unfortunatelly it doesn't work - but I don't think that because all people are corrupted. They aren't - truth is always a little bit more complicated.

Lots of people are just too stupid to distinguish evil and good or it is simple to deceive them. Lots of people just don't care - because they do not undestand politics (who really does?  Grin ) or they just want to live simple lifes (IMO not bad). And yes, lots of them are corrupted (but definitelly not all).

There are one other aspect of all this. What we consider as good and as bad? It is just our subjective point of view. Do you think that people of (for example) Islamic State consider themselves as bad? IMHO they don't. Maybe they think about themselves as saviors and warriors of justice (exactly as our politicians). Another example. Do you know Star Wars? Great Jedi warriors, keepers of the peace, featuring as good. Oposite of them are Sith Lords, generally considered as bad. But what is the final goal of the Sith? Peace, exactly as for Jedi. It is just fictional story, but reflects the truth - the concept of evil and good (which is so often used in discussions even on this forum) is just reflection of our own selfish and subjecive valuation of what we see around us.

And what I want to say? Maybe bad politics are just trying to survive, to win endless fight of evolution in overpopulated Earth just like everybody. They choose tools as they did maybe because they suffer from messiah complex or maybe because it is very pleasant to have a power. It looks like a irrelevant detail, but it helps from going crazy - there are no bad nor good and maybe all this is natural as whole evolution.

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October 04, 2021, 06:38:57 AM
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If the whole country is ownd by a single company, two people, the solution can not be found fighting corruption
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October 06, 2021, 12:20:19 AM
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Politics as well as corruption differs country wise. The kind of corruption in one democratic country is different from others.
Your hypothetical proposal sounds great, but who will implement it in a country where there is synergistic corruption?
Do you expect a politician to be on seat and implement what will not favour him?
In your country, is there a certain time that there is no president and the masses makes decisions? No! There is always a government or an interim government who is unwilling to implement things to his disadvantage.
Maybe you will reserve your proposal till countries are being managed with blockchain.  Grin

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October 07, 2021, 05:08:00 PM
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Some time ago I was thinking about corrupted politicians in democratic countries and how to prevent this phenomenon. Things like big salary is to prevent corruption doesn't work, so why not to take all salary from them? In brief it should look like this...

Politicians and their families cannot have and manipulate with finance of any kind at all. After elections all their present property will be nationalized.  During the political service all their life costs will be paid from public funds, so as the living, which will be taken after the service. They will be motivated to rule well to rule as long as possible, because absence of any finance will effectively prevent from hoarding resources for later. After the service they will get some minimal one-shot retirement - for example one-year average salary.

What do you think about this? Can it works?


I imagine that will happen to my country, probably there will be no one to run for a public office. Most politicians run because of personal interest and political power they will hold.They even threaten or worst kill their opponent just to make sure they will win for elections.  Politics is a very tricky and dirty business.
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October 07, 2021, 09:11:18 PM
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Corruption is indeed a disease that is detrimental, not only in an agency, it can even harm the whole country. Preventing by giving big paychecks probably won't work. It is human nature to always be greedy with wealth. The higher the salary, the more motivated they are for corruption. Maybe it would be more appropriate to punish him severely or the death penalty.
Corruption is everywhere and we shouldn't be surprised by what we are seeing all around our society because we can't stop it not even care to beat it. Thanks to God for the liberty we have to agitate on it without being forcefully criticized. If you think your hypothesis and theory could reduce and bomb corruption then continue. Continuing doing what give you joy cause when your joy shouldn't be same with mine.

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October 08, 2021, 05:39:36 AM
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October 08, 2021, 06:41:40 AM
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I imagine that will happen to my country, probably there will be no one to run for a public office. Most politicians run because of personal interest and political power they will hold.They even threaten or worst kill their opponent just to make sure they will win for elections.  Politics is a very tricky and dirty business.

So why politicians and government at all? Why should someone led by personal interest rule? Isn't this simple violence?
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I imagine that will happen to my country, probably there will be no one to run for a public office. Most politicians run because of personal interest and political power they will hold.They even threaten or worst kill their opponent just to make sure they will win for elections.  Politics is a very tricky and dirty business.

So why politicians and government at all? Why should someone led by personal interest rule? Isn't this simple violence?


That is the downside of a democracy,  anyone can run for a public office as long as they are natural-born citizen, a registered voter, able to read and write and a resident of that country.  It  could lead to corruption for it is based on electoral competition. Furthermore, there is also a vote buying phenomenon, where the voter sells his or her vote to the highest bidder. Ordinary people are unaware of what is good for them, whoever can give them enough tangible rewards will be their candidate without even knowing the true intentions. Political violence.
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October 08, 2021, 06:39:29 PM
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I imagine that will happen to my country, probably there will be no one to run for a public office. Most politicians run because of personal interest and political power they will hold.They even threaten or worst kill their opponent just to make sure they will win for elections.  Politics is a very tricky and dirty business.
So why politicians and government at all? Why should someone led by personal interest rule? Isn't this simple violence?
That is the downside of a democracy,  anyone can run for a public office as long as they are natural-born citizen, a registered voter, able to read and write and a resident of that country.  It  could lead to corruption for it is based on electoral competition. Furthermore, there is also a vote buying phenomenon, where the voter sells his or her vote to the highest bidder. Ordinary people are unaware of what is good for them, whoever can give them enough tangible rewards will be their candidate without even knowing the true intentions. Political violence.

Of course that I know that this is part of democracy. The meaning of my post was - why democracy at all? What will it brings to us except this violenent rule of people who cares just about themselves?
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October 11, 2021, 06:03:45 AM
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I imagine that will happen to my country, probably there will be no one to run for a public office. Most politicians run because of personal interest and political power they will hold.They even threaten or worst kill their opponent just to make sure they will win for elections.  Politics is a very tricky and dirty business.
So why politicians and government at all? Why should someone led by personal interest rule? Isn't this simple violence?
That is the downside of a democracy,  anyone can run for a public office as long as they are natural-born citizen, a registered voter, able to read and write and a resident of that country.  It  could lead to corruption for it is based on electoral competition. Furthermore, there is also a vote buying phenomenon, where the voter sells his or her vote to the highest bidder. Ordinary people are unaware of what is good for them, whoever can give them enough tangible rewards will be their candidate without even knowing the true intentions. Political violence.

Of course that I know that this is part of democracy. The meaning of my post was - why democracy at all? What will it brings to us except this violenent rule of people who cares just about themselves?

No one is born a good citizen, no nation is born a democracy. Rather, both are processes that continue to evolve over a lifetime qouted from Kofi Annan.
https://www.coe.int/en/web/compass/democracy 
https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/01/16/is-democracy-problem-pub-78137
https://futureofworking.com/11-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-democracy/
I found this on google, I hope it can enlighten us a little bit.

Though Democratic form of government has many flaws and challenges, is far from perfect political system but for me, I am still in favor for it because democracy gives us the citizen the voice, the freedom and the power in government. The citizens must just vote wisely. This is how I understand your comment and this is my personal opinion.  Wink
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October 11, 2021, 08:49:44 AM
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Some time ago I was thinking about corrupted politicians in democratic countries and how to prevent this phenomenon. Things like big salary is to prevent corruption doesn't work, so why not to take all salary from them? In brief it should look like this...

Politicians and their families cannot have and manipulate with finance of any kind at all. After elections all their present property will be nationalized.  During the political service all their life costs will be paid from public funds, so as the living, which will be taken after the service. They will be motivated to rule well to rule as long as possible, because absence of any finance will effectively prevent from hoarding resources for later. After the service they will get some minimal one-shot retirement - for example one-year average salary.

What do you think about this? Can it works?


I'm afraid such a scheme could lead to disaster, because dishonest people would find a way how to get around and continue to take bribes, plunder national treasuries etc. While honest people would stay away from politics completely, because normally they have families to care about, and getting all your present property "nationalized" is hardly good for your close ones.

Imo, the solution lays in teaching people through songs, books, movies, TV series that being wealthy is a good thing, but being overly rich, collecting airplanes, buying several houses worth millions USD each etc. is disgusting.

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October 11, 2021, 03:20:55 PM
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Although I can really sympathize with your sentiment, I disagree in some parts since some ideas mentioned may prove to be a bringer of more problems than solutions (no offense). Also, let us say that the good ideas are absorbed in the government system (in electing officials), there will always be a way for the corrupt and the influencial people that wants control over high positioned officials to have their way. This is because no single person is without a weakness that cannot be taken advantage of. Thus, the reason why even after all these years, the corrupt has never been erased on the most important positions in the human civilization.
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October 12, 2021, 06:17:00 AM
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Imo, the solution lays in teaching people through songs, books, movies, TV series that being wealthy is a good thing, but being overly rich, collecting airplanes, buying several houses worth millions USD each etc. is disgusting.

Disagree. Why is it disgusting? It is bad for other people when you steal money from them (generally), but if you earn lots of money and like the planes, why should it be disgusting to collect them?


Although I can really sympathize with your sentiment, I disagree in some parts since some ideas mentioned may prove to be a bringer of more problems than solutions (no offense).

May I ask you to expand this a little bit more? Your thoughts may be a fine addition to whole topic.

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Imo, the solution lays in teaching people through songs, books, movies, TV series that being wealthy is a good thing, but being overly rich, collecting airplanes, buying several houses worth millions USD each etc. is disgusting.

Disagree. Why is it disgusting? It is bad for other people when you steal money from them (generally), but if you earn lots of money and like the planes, why should it be disgusting to collect them?
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I'm not saying "Eat the rich" and stuff like that. Far from it. Indeed, if you honestly earn a lot of money and want to live a luxury life, you have every right to do so. You can buy a private jet, you can buy the most expensive house in the world etc. ...

But collecting airplanes and buying several such houses? Idk, I think stupidity is disgusting.

And "Why is it stupidity?", you might ask. Well, we live in the age of the Internet, and it's stupid to not use it. If you want to feel happier, do your research first, and you'll find out that in most cases buying another airplane or very expensive house will not help with that. It can even decrease the feeling of well-being.

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Imo, the solution lays in teaching people through songs, books, movies, TV series that being wealthy is a good thing, but being overly rich, collecting airplanes, buying several houses worth millions USD each etc. is disgusting.

Disagree. Why is it disgusting? It is bad for other people when you steal money from them (generally), but if you earn lots of money and like the planes, why should it be disgusting to collect them?


I'm not saying "Eat the rich" and stuff like that. Far from it. Indeed, if you honestly earn a lot of money and want to live a luxury life, you have every right to do so. You can buy a private jet, you can buy the most expensive house in the world etc. ...

But collecting airplanes and buying several such houses? Idk, I think stupidity is disgusting.

And "Why is it stupidity?", you might ask. Well, we live in the age of the Internet, and it's stupid to not use it. If you want to feel happier, do your research first, and you'll find out that in most cases buying another airplane or very expensive house will not help with that. It can even decrease the feeling of well-being.

Well, IMHO if you are rich it is stupid to not use your wealth. What is the purpose of it if not use it for whatever reason? Happiness isn't the only one and doing some research for something so individual as happiness is irelevant at all. You can use wealth for example for making life easier, more comfortable or just for aesthetical purpose.

Lets say I am very rich and have comfortable house which is a piece of architectonical art. I would like to go to holiday but I really hate hotels. Because of I can afford the same comfort as at home, I will simply buy a new house at my holiday destination. As years passed, I've collected a few houses all around the world.

It is same as collecting whatever else. Someone is collecting cars, someone knives, some other tea ceramics or tatoos - every of them has its own reason for it and it doesn't have to be happiness at all.
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