[WO/Hat-Gang Only - MODERATED] The fucking COVID vax thread (No hat? Fuck off!)

[OutOfMemory]

Interesting read:

Vaccines currently are the primary mitigation strategy to combat COVID-19 around the world. For instance, the narrative related to the ongoing surge of new cases in the United States (US) is argued to be driven by areas with low vaccination rates [1]. A similar narrative also has been observed in countries, such as Germany and the United Kingdom [2]. At the same time, Israel that was hailed for its swift and high rates of vaccination has also seen a substantial resurgence in COVID-19 cases [3]. We investigate the relationship between the percentage of population  fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases across 68 countries and across 2947 counties in the US.

Vaccine as well as post-infection immunity just weaken over time.
They didn't grasp that, yet. Vaccines buy us a little time, and a little "freedom", while the bill will be served later on...
The other aspect: A virus wins over humanity. This is the real true drama.

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[Torque]

Vaccines totally safu


https://twitter.com/AntonyRobart/status/1449891671710253068

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-aefi-report.pdf?la=en

[OutOfMemory]

Looks like we're still fucked, accoring to this preprint:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v2.full-text

Basically shows that protection against Delta NOTinfection and spreading wane to levels seen in unvaccinated persons within a few months (12 weeks) after full vaccination.

Jabbing people from Q1 to Q3/2021 and reducing measures for the vaccinated group in upcoming winter means a lot of spreading and active cases.

Now tell me again that covid vaccines are a real gamechanger... 

Significant immunity from covid19 seems to be effective in most cases up to a year, at least. Maybe even longer, but we have to wait for more data.
About 0.3 percent of covid19 patients got re-infected yet, while the covid rates in the fully vaccinated group are significantly higher.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but the current vaccines won't take us far in trying to "end the pandemic".

EDIT: Probably the best strategy would be to get infected with covid within 1-2 months after full vaccination.

EDIT2: Found an error.


In other news (auto-translated from german):

Viennese researchers develop super antibodies for nasal sprays

By merging two IgA-type antibody molecules that are directed against the SARS-CoV-2 virus, scientists in Vienna working with Herta Steinkellner from the University of Natural Resources and Life Sciences (Boku) Vienna have succeeded in producing a highly effective type of super-antibody . In the specialist journal "PNAS" they show that their so-called IgA dimer neutralizes the coronavirus up to 240 times better than the simple structure (monomer). That could pave the way for nasal antiviral sprays.

Steinkellner and her team use a tobacco plant (Nicotiana benthamiana) to produce antibodies by introducing genes from parts of the body's defenses into the plant. A bacterium helps them deliver the genetic material into the plant, which then temporarily assembles the specific proteins desired.

Only recently was it possible to produce IgG antibodies in this way, which are actually formed rather late in the course of an infection. Among the four subtypes (IgG1, IgG2, IgG3 and IgG4) from this group, the difficult to produce IgG3 antibodies turned out to be 50 times better at neutralizing the SARS-CoV-2 viruses than IgG1 antibodies. This promising result, which was achieved in infected cell cultures, was also presented in the journal "PNAS".

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[Hueristic]

In other news (auto-translated from german):

Viennese researchers develop super antibodies for nasal sprays

By merging two IgA-type antibody molecules that are directed against the SARS-CoV-2 virus, scientists in Vienna working with Herta Steinkellner from the University of Natural Resources and Life Sciences (Boku) Vienna have succeeded in producing a highly effective type of super-antibody . In the specialist journal "PNAS" they show that their so-called IgA dimer neutralizes the coronavirus up to 240 times better than the simple structure (monomer). That could pave the way for nasal antiviral sprays.

Steinkellner and her team use a tobacco plant (Nicotiana benthamiana) to produce antibodies by introducing genes from parts of the body's defenses into the plant. A bacterium helps them deliver the genetic material into the plant, which then temporarily assembles the specific proteins desired.

Only recently was it possible to produce IgG antibodies in this way, which are actually formed rather late in the course of an infection. Among the four subtypes (IgG1, IgG2, IgG3 and IgG4) from this group, the difficult to produce IgG3 antibodies turned out to be 50 times better at neutralizing the SARS-CoV-2 viruses than IgG1 antibodies. This promising result, which was achieved in infected cell cultures, was also presented in the journal "PNAS".

Don't you know the nose it a direct path to the brain control mechanisms.

[BobLawblaw]

Not saying I'm taking a break from the forums again, but likely to be waning some activity, as the next phase of the ranch build is ramping up.

Sending me a message on these forums pings my meatspace email, if needed for cleanup.

Just wanted to get this out there, incase I wander off for a while, and people don't hear from me for a bit.

*hugs* #nohomo

[Torque]

Mic drop.

https://twitter.com/SikhForTruth/status/1454093966715019282

“In the entire history of mankind there has never been a political elite sincerely concerned about the well being of regular people. What makes any of us think that it is different now." - Christine Anderson European Parliament.

Lol. The Great Scam continues...

https://twitter.com/ProfessorFergu1/status/1454833375840178181

https://twitter.com/drdavidsamadi/status/1454738826006601728


In more "you can't make this shit up" news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/italian-institute-health-drastically-reduces-its-official-covid-death-toll-number

Italian newspaper Il Tempo reports that the Institute has revised downward the number of people who have died from COVID rather than with COVID from 130,000 to under 4,000.

    “Yes, you read that right. Turns out 97.1% of deaths hitherto attributed to Covid were not due directly to Covid,” writes Toby Young.

Of the of the 130,468 deaths registered as official COVID deaths since the start of the pandemic, only 3,783 are directly attributable to the virus alone.

    “All the other Italians who lost their lives had from between one and five pre-existing diseases. Of those aged over 67 who died, 7% had more than three co-morbidities, and 18% at least two,” writes Young.

    “According to the Institute, 65.8% of Italians who died after being infected with Covid were ill with arterial hypertension (high blood pressure), 23.5% had dementia, 29.3% had diabetes, and 24.8% atrial fibrillation. Add to that, 17.4% had lung problems, 16.3% had had cancer in the last five years and 15.7% suffered from previous heart failures.”

The Institute’s new definition of a COVID death means that COVID has killed fewer people in Italy than (whisper it) the average bout of seasonal flu.

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[Hueristic]

In more "you can't make this shit up" news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/italian-institute-health-drastically-reduces-its-official-covid-death-toll-number

Italian newspaper Il Tempo reports that the Institute has revised downward the number of people who have died from COVID rather than with COVID from 130,000 to under 4,000.

    “Yes, you read that right. Turns out 97.1% of deaths hitherto attributed to Covid were not due directly to Covid,” writes Toby Young.

Of the of the 130,468 deaths registered as official COVID deaths since the start of the pandemic, only 3,783 are directly attributable to the virus alone.

    “All the other Italians who lost their lives had from between one and five pre-existing diseases. Of those aged over 67 who died, 7% had more than three co-morbidities, and 18% at least two,” writes Young.

    “According to the Institute, 65.8% of Italians who died after being infected with Covid were ill with arterial hypertension (high blood pressure), 23.5% had dementia, 29.3% had diabetes, and 24.8% atrial fibrillation. Add to that, 17.4% had lung problems, 16.3% had had cancer in the last five years and 15.7% suffered from previous heart failures.”

The Institute’s new definition of a COVID death means that COVID has killed fewer people in Italy than (whisper it) the average bout of seasonal flu.

Actually you can make that shit up, thats why its called fake news.

How about providing a actual link from the Italian Institute of Health.

I can't find a thing on this and everything I find states deaths are increasing.

[psycodad]

In more "you can't make this shit up" news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/italian-institute-health-drastically-reduces-its-official-covid-death-toll-number

Italian newspaper Il Tempo reports that the Institute has revised downward the number of people who have died from COVID rather than with COVID from 130,000 to under 4,000.

    “Yes, you read that right. Turns out 97.1% of deaths hitherto attributed to Covid were not due directly to Covid,” writes Toby Young.

Of the of the 130,468 deaths registered as official COVID deaths since the start of the pandemic, only 3,783 are directly attributable to the virus alone.

    “All the other Italians who lost their lives had from between one and five pre-existing diseases. Of those aged over 67 who died, 7% had more than three co-morbidities, and 18% at least two,” writes Young.

    “According to the Institute, 65.8% of Italians who died after being infected with Covid were ill with arterial hypertension (high blood pressure), 23.5% had dementia, 29.3% had diabetes, and 24.8% atrial fibrillation. Add to that, 17.4% had lung problems, 16.3% had had cancer in the last five years and 15.7% suffered from previous heart failures.”

The Institute’s new definition of a COVID death means that COVID has killed fewer people in Italy than (whisper it) the average bout of seasonal flu.

Actually you can make that shit up, thats why its called fake news.

How about providing a actual link from the Italian Institute of Health.

I can't find a thing on this and everything I find states deaths are increasing.

I wondered the same and it speaks for the quality of zerohedge AND iltempo that it isn't there, though in all fairness the MSM does this all the time the same no matter pro or contra.
In iltempo the link is in the comments:
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/sars-cov-2-decessi-italia

Can't really understand enough Italian to confirm or refute the zerohedge report, maybe somebody with better Italian can check it and report back what it really says there.

[Torque]

Actually you can make that shit up, thats why its called fake news.

How about providing a actual link from the Italian Institute of Health.

I can't find a thing on this and everything I find states deaths are increasing.

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_5_october_2021.pdf

1. Overall, 2.9% (A grand fucking total of 230 out of 130,468 people) of the sample presented with zero comorbidities. Thus 97.1% had 1, 2, 3 or more comorbidities.

2. Median age of deaths: (median age women, 85 years - median age men, 80 years). The average age of death for most people who manage to live a long, healthy life.

[Hueristic]

Actually you can make that shit up, thats why its called fake news.

How about providing a actual link from the Italian Institute of Health.

I can't find a thing on this and everything I find states deaths are increasing.

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_5_october_2021.pdf

1. Overall, 2.9% (A grand fucking total of 230 out of 130,468 people) of the sample presented with zero comorbidities. Thus 97.1% had 1, 2, 3 or more comorbidities.

2. Median age of deaths: (median age women, 85 years - median age men, 80 years).

Thanks for the link, looks like too much of a time sink.

Certainly looks like there is a spinning of semantics going on though but I would hazard a guess as usual the truth is somewhere in the middle.

[Torque]

Certainly looks like there is a spinning of semantics going on though but I would hazard a guess as usual the truth is somewhere in the middle.

You can "hazard a guess" all you want, but the truth isn't somewhere in the middle, it's right there in the science data I posted. You remember, the science?  

[Hueristic]

Certainly looks like there is a spinning of semantics going on though but I would hazard a guess as usual the truth is somewhere in the middle.

You can "hazard a guess" all you want, but the truth isn't somewhere in the middle, it's right there in the science data I posted. You remember, the science?  

I see spin based on wording if that is what you mean.

[Torque]

Nothing to see here, vaccines totally safu

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/german-newspaper-highlights-unusually-large-number-soccer-players-who-have-collapsed

[OutOfMemory]

Update to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg58434717#msg58434717

So self-antigen-testing is not accepted as official test from the date of today. The government was organizing distribution of PCR gargling test kits from a well known grocery chain as well as from pharmacies. Three tests a week per registered citizen. Rollout started last week, today most stores have already run out of testing kits *applause*.
People started hoarding kits last week and only a fraction of them were actually used and taken to the collection points, where the should be picked up every weekday and sent to the contracted labs. Results should be sent via push message to the according app, which every applying user had to install on a smartphone.
A test result would be valid for 72 hours after actual testing, delivered within 20-24 hours, so effectively usable for going to work for two days after receiving the result.

Great stuff, isn't it?
But guess what...
IT FAILED  

Why did such a great idea fail?
1. hoarding of testkits - some people needing results in the next 24 hours, no testkits available in most pickup locations.

2. Results took more than 48 hours to get delivered, sometimes even more. Over the weekend, 16k tests were carried out, 107k testing kits where sent to the lab.



Now how the hell could this happen?

First, the contractor lab was chosen by request of proposal (open bidding) by the government. They defined clear milestones, like "n tests carried out per day".
The "winner" of the bidding had to admit that they didn't meet some of the requirements, but had already planned to expand their labs to make it "in short time", because they didn't expect such a flood of submitted test kits.
But one may ask: Why only 16k tests over a whole weekend?

And the answer is *drumroll*:

A Covid19 cluster in the main lab.
Many employees were tested postitive last week and quarantined, so they couldn't handle a sufficient number of testing kits.

For example, my wife tested on saturday morning, to be allowed to work on monday morning, finally received the result monday afternoon (valid until tuesday morning).

Other news:

Lockdown (light) for unvaccinated citizens started as planned.
I had to drive my daughter to the horse riding lesson today, totally illegal, because children don't count as "needy people", so driving children from home to school or sports is not covered by the law (for the unvaccinated parent) yet. And this is not the first time they totally forgot about the little ones.
For example, children over age 12 have to be vaccinated to move freely and untested in the public, while they are allowed no earlier than at age 14 to decide for themselves if they want to get a shot or not.

Also, government announced to reduce full immunity status (green pass) for vaccinated individuals from 12 to 9 months.
In the decree, they only reduced to 9 months for people who had been jabbed with Johnson&Johnson's vaccine.
Fun fact: Individuals recovered from Covid19 get "fully immune" status for only 6 months, while government recommended booster shots no more than 6 months after "full vaccination", because antibody levels dropping significantly after 5-6 months. Vulnerable high-risk individuals should get the booster already 4 months after "full immunization".

Conclusion: This is a great plot for not to handle a pandemic. More epic horrors ahead, with already 40% of all ICU's in the country occupied, and hospital capacities taken by about 50% at the moment.

UP NEXT...

Hot topics currently being discussed in parliament:

1. Mandatory vaccination for healthcare workers
2. More mandatory vaccination for kindergarten staff, elderly care nurses, policemen...
3. Nighttime curfew for everybody

EDIT: An addition to the first paragraph: Antigen tests taken and evaluated by health professionals (doctors, nurses, therapists) and pharmacies are still valid for unvaccinated people being allowed to go to work, but unlike PCR tests only over the course of 24 hours.
I just digged through the law and the current decree and found various holes to slip through for social contact, and even some sort of freedom. While unvaxxed are not allowed to do anything like shopping, visit most recreational facilities or meet people from more than a single household, everyday life is possible unless you are dependent on entertainment and socializing in groups.

[BobLawblaw]

[OutOfMemory]

FUCK!!!
So they got me through porn already?!
Sheeeeeeeeit 

 

Discovered a nasal spray containing carrageen, a stuff effectively decreasing viral replication rate in nasal/throat tissue.
Trials in healthcare staff departments of hospitals were showing about 80% decrease in severity and duration of viral infections if applied early, and about the same effect on infection rate when applied prophylactic, four times a day.
Virologists say they can imagine "broad usage" among populations.
It also delivers some degree of protection/ease regarding some allergies.

"ALGOVIR" is the product's name.

DYOR

[Torque]

<Posting a bunch of jaw-dropping insanity>

I can't believe what I just read.

Your country has lost its fkn mind and you need to get out before things get worse.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/world/coronavirus-newsletter-intl-17-11-21/index.html

Oh and look, the definition of "fully vaccinated" is changing once again.

What a surprised that they keep moving the goalposts. How long until the definition is revised to "boosters forever"? 

[OutOfMemory]

<Posting a bunch of jaw-dropping insanity>

I can't believe what I just read.

Your country has lost its fkn mind and you need to get out before things get worse.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/world/coronavirus-newsletter-intl-17-11-21/index.html

Oh and look, the definition of "fully vaccinated" is changing once again.

What a surprised that they keep moving the goalposts. How long until the definition is revised to "boosters forever"?  

Yep. Pretty insane. Still, the majority is following that "fully vaccinated" narrative, although some are already dropping out of getting "boostered".
I can understand the vaccinated, they were urged to "end the pandemic", now they're being told "you are free from the burden of covid measures", which seems to be followed by "but if we have to finally narrow your freedom again, it's the fault of the unvaccinated". Discussions turned to accusations.
We already had similar sentiments in the population, about 80 years ago, and those who actively attended history lessons at school may remember how it turned out.
If there is another general lockdown, and it feels like it's only days away, many of the unvaccinated won't follow suit, so the situation won't change as needed to turn around. Doctors will have to decide who is going to get a chance to live and who is going to have to die. Head of departments in areas with the highest incidences were telling that they only have unoccupied ICU's because a sufficient number of people is dying with covid each day, while the exponential rise in cases of the last weeks is to hit the hospitals within the next 14 days.
Today the situation was analyzed and it turned out that after ten days, the "lockdown for unvaccinated" didn't do shit to significantly "flatten the curve". Only 2 more percent of the population could decide to finally get vaccinated, and the government fears that locking down the vaccinated too, would draw any motivation for boostering or ultimately getting vaxxed from the people.
Checkmate. Nobody winning, though.

I'm prepared for a lot of misery. People were protesting outside of a hospital today, demanding that doctors should speak the truth, that they should "admit that nobody is actually dying from covid", that patients on ventilators are only "fake news". The keyholes of the locks of some doors of vaccination facilities were jammed with super glue, while a growing percentage of pro-vaxxers are getting obsessed by the illusion that mandatory mass vaccination would "end the pandemic".

Interesting times.

EDIT:

Want some taste of the latest spin?

Pharma industry: "While you're vaccinated against covid, don't forget about the flu. It's recommended and totally safe to combine the two vaccines"

Mass media: "In the shadow of the coronavirus, H5N1, the bird flu seems to slowly become a concern in Europe"

Would you be really surprised if big pharma comes up with bird-flu mRNA vaccines, awaiting emergency approval, soonish?

[Hueristic]

    The FDA has asked a federal judge to make the public wait until the year 2076 to disclose all of the data and information it relied upon to license Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.   That is not a typo.   It wants 55 years to produce this information to the public.

    So, let’s get this straight. The federal government shields Pfizer from liability.  Gives it billions of dollars.  Makes Americans take its product.  But won’t let you see the data supporting its product’s safety and efficacy.  Who does the government work for?

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/vaccine-injury-attorney-suing-the-fda-fda-asks-federal-judge-to-grant-it-until-the-year-2076-to-fully-release-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-data/

[psycodad]

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Thanks for that glimpse into our short-term future (speaking as citizen of your similar-sized, cheesy neighbour country), I guess things will go down a very similar path in the next days and weeks here (I guess we're between 10-15 days lagging behind). Though we have a public vote about a bunch of anti-Corona measures on 18th 28th and the government won't act until 19th 29th to not endanger that vote.

I found the herd-immunity by vaccinated percentage thing very amazing and actually very clever in an evil way, as it allows basically the gubbermint to adjust the numbers continously higher (arguing with new and more contagious variants) while keeping pointing fingers at the unvaccinated as culprits that the pandemic didn't end yet. We use to joke about 102.5% vaccinated needed in 2022 to end the pandemic.
They just shift the numbers higher and higher and have an easy scapegoat to blame why it didn't work and they will never get into the position to answer for their measures (just shift the percentage needed for herd-immunity 5 points higher and you're good, the higher you go the more unlikely it will ever be reached).

Current situation here is, they do literally and figuratively everything to force motivate unvaccinated people to vaccinate while the vulnerable elderly population wanting the booster very hard is denied access to it. I read this as "we are still growing the initial user base for the product", otherwise it just doesn't make sense.

Hospitals here are meanwhile well filled with vaccinated people severely sick on Covid, last 2 weeks death rate from/with Covid have gone about 50/50 vaccinated/unvaccinated.

I still believe one of the key factors of not getting severely ill or worse from it is the initial viral load you get, I therefor found that hint for Algovir very helpful and ordered a few bottles of it. Thanks for that information.

I myself will start to consider the vaccination once they..
..offer to test you for antibodies and possibly for genetic disposition and then make a recommendation to vaccinate or not
..offer to test you for antibodies after vaccination, to give you an idea on how much protection you have got and how much more you can risk now (or if you're one of the poor souls where the vaccination just didn't provoke any meaningful reaction)
..offer to test you for antibodies before they ask you to boost again
..fully disclose the agreements with the producers and all their data, if this is a problem of global dimension, there is no space for intransparency here.
..force all the self-declared pandemic and vaccination experts to full financial disclosure regarding payments/stocks etc. of involved parties, it would irritate me if not most of the loudest pro-vaxxers hold some stocks or have some lucrative consulting mandates for big pharma, at least this has been proven for the swine flu where Pfizer basically bought the whole WHO's vote.
..prove vaccination is not to be repeated in very short terms (i.e. years instead of months)

EDIT: To fix 2 dates I got wrong by 10 days in first paragraph