Do you think Lightlord behavior is acceptable?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Hey The Pharmacist, I agree with you, but I think that here when you say "campaign manager" you should say "campaign owner", because the campaign manager is Brainboss and his behavior has been excellent. Another thing is Lightlord's.

Yeah, I meant no criticism toward CBB; I didn't even know he was managing the campaign when I wrote my post, as I didn't read the entire thread beforehand.  I was thinking back to the Lutpin situation, when he and lightlord were both being derelict in their duties.  In this case lightlord should be giving CCB enough funds well in advance to pay the participants, and I'm not sure what the problem is this time, but I've left lightlord a negative.

In discord, DEV said that lightlord is sick and will be back. This is a news from September 16.
It's sad to see how bitvest and 777coin campaign is being run.

You'd have to be extremely sick to not be able to send bitcoin to a campaign manager, like deathbed sick.  Unable to use your fingers sick.  And I seriously doubt that's the case with lightlord, given that he has a history of not giving a shit whether his campaign participants get paid. 

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[Stalker22]

In discord, DEV said that lightlord is sick and will be back. This is a news from September 16.
It's sad to see how bitvest and 777coin campaign is being run.

You'd have to be extremely sick to not be able to send bitcoin to a campaign manager, like deathbed sick.  Unable to use your fingers sick.  And I seriously doubt that's the case with lightlord, given that he has a history of not giving a shit whether his campaign participants get paid. 

Yes, I agree. I am not sure where this "sick" news came from and how credible it is, but it is hard to believe. You must be really sick to not be able to send bitcoins from one address to another, or to send PMs to the manager of your campaigns to let him know what is happening. My apologies to the lightlord if he is in a fucking coma or something, but based on my previous experience, I doubt that is the case.


As of now, Brainboss has updated the bounty threads, and campaigns are now "on hold." Kudos for that, by the way.

Spreadsheet for round 146 has been updated. Spreadsheet has been handled over to lightlord for payment.

A total of 10 rounds is now been owed and that have to be address before continuing campaign. Information reaching me is that, lightlord is sick which is the reason behind his absence on the forum. Since I can't guarantee participants of been rewarded for other rounds, campaign has been paused until further notice.

Immediately previous 10 rounds payment has been process and campaign is to continue, you all will be informed. You don't have to worry about your slots as all current spots will be retain unless there's other development.

Ps: I'm also been owed for 10 weeks so I understand the frustration but lets all exercise patience, hopefully after lightlord recovers from his illness he'll address this issue.

Once again, campaign is currently paused until further notice.

Regards,
Brainboss Management Service.

[LoyceV]

A total of 10 rounds is now been owed

I didn't realize it's been this long! At 150 to 2200 sat/post and up to 60 posts per week, that's up to $700 per person.

Since Lightlord pays a bonus for late payments it doesn't seem like he doesn't have the money. It looks like he doesn't have the time, in which case he should just hire a trusted escrow to make payments on time.

[JeromeTash]

I wondered why Hhampuz stopped managing both Bitvest and 777coin signature campaigns sometime back, and yet he's a very good manager especially when it comes to casino related campaigns, well, I can now clearly see why.

We cannot expect many to take this step and to risk losing their position in the campaign, especially if, as you mentioned, it represents a significant source of income for some of them. Due to their unique Tier-based system, many participants had to work for months, and some even for years, to earn their positions on the list.

But their pay per post ratio isn't even that good compared to so many active campaigns that pay out weekly right now. If I were in their position, it doesn't make sense having to wait for weeks, yet there are better campaigns. I would leave in a blink.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I had to dig to find this post, but I thought it was worth quoting here so that everyone knows that lightlord acknowledged that he needs to monitor his campaigns/campaign managers more closely so that the campaigns run smoothly:

There was 0.24 BTC in the address, easily several payments could have been made after that date enough to catch up to being only a few weeks late, so it wouldn't have resulted in a 10-week unpaid duration, and generally, I fill up the address when it reaches close to 0 after Luptin sends a reminder that the address has run out of coins. However, I should of checked on the campaign and Make sure Luptin was running the campaigns smoothly, and the payments every so often. It went smoothly for a long duration, so I didn't check on it as much lately. However I should of checked on it at least once in a while the signature campaigns, so I do agree it's partially my fault here. But I was expecting Luptin to resolve this as soon as possible and hasn't as of yet

This was when Lutpin was managing two of lightlord's campaigns, and even though lightlord tries to shift the blame to Lutpin for the late payments, he obviously knows he's the boss and is ultimately responsible for participants getting paid.

[The Cryptovator]

If I were a participant or manager of the campaign then I would leave the campaign if payment was not held on time. On-time means what was promised, it would week or months. So the behavior of Lightlord isn't acceptable at all. I am not sure if this thread would help to get participant's rewards, otherwise, you might ask the manager about real-time updates. If all tries failed then you might create an allegation about not distributing campaign rewards. We aren't involved with that campaign and we can't decide anything suddenly.

[Stalker22]

I didn't realize it's been this long! At 150 to 2200 sat/post and up to 60 posts per week, that's up to $700 per person.

Since Lightlord pays a bonus when for late payments it doesn't seem like he doesn't have the money. It looks like he doesn't have the time, in which case he should just hire a trusted escrow to make payments on time.

Based on the spreadsheet, the total amount overdue for the last 10 rounds is: 0.2359419 (Bitvest) + 0.1070795 (777Coin), or about $19,000 based on Bitcoin's current value (not including bonuses). Quite a bit, I must say.

I wondered why Hhampuz stopped managing both Bitvest and 777coin signature campaigns sometime back, and yet he's a very good manager especially when it comes to casino related campaigns, well, I can now clearly see why.

I'm not entirely sure because I wasn't around at the time. The last time I checked (a few months ago) I believe Brainboss gets about $50 a week as a manager, which is a bit below Hhampuz's standard after all. 

But their pay per post ratio isn't even that good compared to so many active campaigns that pay out weekly right now. If I were in their position, it doesn't make sense having to wait for weeks, yet there are better campaigns. I would leave in a blink.

True, but many of these members would not even be accepted into better paid campaigns due to their post quality. In fact, If you look closely, there are some members out there who post exclusively in local boards without earning a single merit in months.

[worldofcoins]

Chronology and actual situation for now possible: @CryptopreneurBrainboss, knows better, what happened to: @Lightlord, all this time, I think at least @Lightlord told @CBs, where, and how he is now, the reason is simple for now @CBs, trusted for @Lightlord campaign.

Payment issues, 1-4 weeks, in lump sum payout, maybe I don't know much about that and also the campaigns: BITVEST and 777Coin, I've never been a participant, My response, the factor that causes payments up to two months at a time, is because weekly payments are too low in BTC for participants, can't be sent, high fees, higher shipping costs than income, maybe.

In my opinion, you should ask @CBs directly, the real situation, of course my talk doesn't touch on the neutral left by: @The Pharmacist, that's another story, he knows better to turn negative to neutral.

I happen to stumble upon the thread and found Brainboss did send lightlord messages and talks about it.
Also, Brainboss isn't paid for 10 or more weeks himself so Blaming the manager isn't a good thing if anyone does that he clearly mentioned lightlord handles payments and he's there just to manage the spreadsheets and post counts.

I think lightlord will pay but delays are somewhat annoying to the users I can see.

[meser#]

Our relationship with Lightlord is like employee and employer. In its simple form, the attitude of employer who constantly makes late payments will lower the morale and motivation of his employee. I've been in this campaign for a year and he only paid out once, exactly when I needed it. With this attitude, is not acceptable he owes us a big sorry.

“Pay the worker his dues before his sweat has dried up”. Prophet Muhammed

[Quickseller]

When I started with the campaign, there was already a delay of about 5 weeks in paying us, then it went up to 6, then 7. Someone who had been with the campaign for a long time explained that in principle the payments were supposed to be weekly, but it usually took 2 weeks to pay, then 3, then 4.

It has to be said that when he pays with a backdated payment he gives a small bonus. The longer the delay the bigger the bonus.

Just to clarify that although I am no longer part of the campaign, I am somehow involved because I have been owed two weeks for more than two months. We are quite a few people in this situation, we left the sig campaign when the rates went down about two months ago, but he still owes us money.

Are you still owed money? If so, you would have standing to open a scam accusation against Lightlord that should result in negative trust given that he is apparently 10 weeks behind in payments. Any negative trust he receives should be removed once he catches up on payments.

Given the "bonus" being given for late payments, I would encourage those owed money to remain patient. Although at one point I would suggest that participants leave the campaign until/unless payments are caught up.

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@Poker Player

Let’s give lightlord a week or two & if he doesn’t pay up I will paint him red. What do you think?
Please remind me if I forget.

You could start a flag if you are financially affected by him (he owes you pay).

that's right, we shouldn't rush into condemnation. User @lightlord is offline for about two weeks and we don't know what is the reason for that. I don't think there is any idea of deception here, especially after many years of this campaign (As I know these are the most enduring signature campaigns)
Also, I don't want to justify the current situation, this is not the first drama of its kind when it comes to his campaigns, so it is now clear that this is negligent and unprofessional management.

[Timelord2067]

I’m happy to give lightlord neg trust if he doesn’t pay in the next 2-3 weeks.

Reading through the replies since my post of yesterday, I was going to give lightlord negative/distrust today, but I'll err on the side of caution and give them the benefit of the doubt as LFC_Bitcoin has done and wait until the 31st of October to proceed with that course of action, unless lightlord makes a statement prior to that date.

Props to Foxpup and DarkStar_, by the way. 

Neither of whom have participated in this thread - what is their connection?

[FinneysTrueVision]

Chronology and actual situation for now possible: @CryptopreneurBrainboss, knows better, what happened to: @Lightlord, all this time, I think at least @Lightlord told @CBs, where, and how he is now, the reason is simple for now @CBs, trusted for @Lightlord campaign.

Payment issues, 1-4 weeks, in lump sum payout, maybe I don't know much about that and also the campaigns: BITVEST and 777Coin, I've never been a participant, My response, the factor that causes payments up to two months at a time, is because weekly payments are too low in BTC for participants, can't be sent, high fees, higher shipping costs than income, maybe.

In my opinion, you should ask @CBs directly, the real situation, of course my talk doesn't touch on the neutral left by: @The Pharmacist, that's another story, he knows better to turn negative to neutral.

I would actually prefer payments to be sent in a lump sum but that is not the case. Every few weeks they send separate payments for each week that was due. When I first started in the campaign I was earning like 5k sats or less per week and would spend a lot in fees to consolidate those dust amounts. The mempool was more congested back then so at 1 sat/byte fee sometimes it would never confirm and had to make the fee higher.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I just want to request some time to be given before any action be taken. Hopefully lightlord is recovery from whatever he's facing and he'll respond to my PM. He has never been this absence which means something very serious has to be the cause. This campaign has been active for more than a year and half under my management and up till last 10 rounds payment hasn't be owed, delays do occur but payment has always been made, not many projects can boost of that.

Many members wouldn't stand a chance in other campaign if this campaign was to be forcedly closed due to the negative feedback it'll receive assuming its intact isn't to scam which I strongly believe so, as much as other present participants of both campaigns. Infact as I announced a decision to pause campaign, I received plead by members both publicly and via private message not to end campaign believing lightlord would pay but I had no choice but to paused the campaign.

Lets give him some more time, and if there's no welcoming development then I'll have to stop campaign and the tags can start coming in. For now the story is he's sick so please lets give him that benefit of doubt for couple of weeks.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Any negative trust he receives should be removed once he catches up on payments.

I disagree with that, since this is the second time his campaign participants have had serious issues with payment.  It's just not acceptable behavior, and I thought I was being generous last time by changing my negative to a neutral.  This time I think he's earned a neg, regardless of what reasons or excuses he has for not paying out and not communicating.  Enough is enough with this guy.

Props to Foxpup and DarkStar_, by the way. 

Neither of whom have participated in this thread - what is their connection?

That's an open secret, where have you been?

Lets give him some more time, and if there's no welcoming development then I'll have to stop campaign and the tags can start coming in. For now the story is he's sick so please lets give him that benefit of doubt for couple of weeks.

How much more time are you willing to give him?  I think you ought to come up with a hard deadline before entreating the campaigners to be patient, because this could go on and on indefinitely.  I understand you don't want to end the campaign, but there comes a time in situations like this where you have to cut bait and move on. 

Many members wouldn't stand a chance in other campaign if this campaign was to be forcedly closed due to the negative feedback it'll receive assuming its intact isn't to scam which I strongly believe so, as much as other present participants of both campaigns.

I don't understand your argument about members not being able to get into other campaigns.  If that's true, that would be because they're shitposters, not because they were involved with your campaign.  Nobody's going to neg you or your participants because they were associated with lightlord, if that's what you're thinking.

[Timelord2067]

For now the story is he's sick so please lets give him that benefit of doubt for couple of weeks.

He told you that?

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I don't understand your argument about members not being able to get into other campaigns.  If that's true, that would be because they're shitposters, not because they were involved with your campaign.  Nobody's going to neg you or your participants because they were associated with lightlord, if that's what you're thinking.

Not that per se, speaking of the merit aspect. These days that's a major criteria for getting into the newly launched campaign and most of my participants don't have much of those and that's not because they're shit posters per se. Also we have some very old members that don't care so much about the merit system like the new and hungry members hunting for merits so they can rank up, get picked for new slots on campaign etc.

This users are just enjoying their stay here and you can't say they're after the monetary value as they aren't getting paid as much as their counterparts in other campaign, they're just comfortable. Also for the member rank, not many campaign offer such opportunity, which is why they won't stand a chance.

I understand you have a history with lightlord but maybe a week or two just for additional confirmation. It'll be unfair for we to just jump into conclusion of he scamming us after been this consistent for years. I'm not trying to defend his actions here please, infact I condemn them, just airing my opinion.

[Quickseller]

Any negative trust he receives should be removed once he catches up on payments.

I disagree with that, since this is the second time his campaign participants have had serious issues with payment.  It's just not acceptable behavior, and I thought I was being generous last time by changing my negative to a neutral.  This time I think he's earned a neg, regardless of what reasons or excuses he has for not paying out and not communicating.  Enough is enough with this guy.

If he pays his debt, there is no reason why he should have a negative.

The threat of a negative rating is a primary reason why many honor their debts, and the potential for a negative to be removed is a reason why someone will pay a delinquent debt. If negative ratings remain after someone has honored their commitments, why would someone repay a delinquent debt, but more importantly, why would someone complain about a delinquent debt if doing so will mean the debtor will receive a prominent negative rating?

I agree that the behavior is unacceptable, but is not something that warrants a permit negative. He is compensating those who he is late paying with a bonus.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

For now the story is he's sick so please lets give him that benefit of doubt for couple of weeks.

He told you that?

Actually I haven't been able to contact him since obviously he hasn't been online for sometime now but the information on one of this other projects discord group from supposedly one of his administration is that, he's sick.



Which is why I said for now, the story is that he's sick. Just like the participants I'm also been owned for 10 weeks and I won't hesitate to let out my frustrations if the issue isn't resolved in 2weeks time maximum.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If negative ratings remain after someone has honored their commitments, why would someone repay a delinquent debt, but more importantly, why would someone complain about a delinquent debt if doing so will mean the debtor will receive a prominent negative rating?

I don't know, QS, why do credit rating agencies keep people's FICA scores at 600 for years when they don't pay their credit card bills?  Why are men being fired from their jobs for mere accusations of sexual misconduct?  Why do people earn reputations as being unreliable, or liars, or scammers?  Why do we tag anyone on this forum for scamming?  Those are all questions as good as the ones you're asking, yet those things happen.

In addition, regardless of whether red trust flips that moral switch in lightlord's head, triggering him to withhold payment from everyone he owes, that trust should stand as a future warning to anyone thinking of joining one of his campaigns.  Obviously the neutral trust he got the last time didn't do the trick, or nobody cared.