Do you think Lightlord behavior is acceptable?

[Timelord2067]

@CryptopreneurBrainboss  - how much is currently owed at participants?  And, how much would be owed to participants between now the the 31^st of October this year?  I'm just trying to get a feel for how much is owed to everyone involved in the two campaigns you manage.  (I'm not after a line-by-line break down, just an overall figure).

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[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

@Timelord2067, All the information are on the spreadsheet available to the public, at the button you can see total Bitcoin to be payout to participants in every round (weekly), you can check it out if you wish to see the total for all previous rounds for both campaigns.. The campaign has been paused by me meaning no promotion are required from the participants and anyone doing that is doing some free advertising. Also since the reward system is pay per post, I can't give you the estimate you're asking for but again, you can get an idea by looking at previous rounds from spreadsheet.

[Timelord2067]

I only ask because I don't know how many weeks behind the various recipients are owed their back pay - I did see ten weeks in one post, is this correct?  Also, another post made mention of a "bonus" being paid as a "late fee" - is this paid across the board?

[Quickseller]

If negative ratings remain after someone has honored their commitments, why would someone repay a delinquent debt, but more importantly, why would someone complain about a delinquent debt if doing so will mean the debtor will receive a prominent negative rating?

I don't know, QS, why do credit rating agencies keep people's FICA scores at 600 for years when they don't pay their credit card bills?  Why are men being fired from their jobs for mere accusations of sexual misconduct?  Why do people earn reputations as being unreliable, or liars, or scammers?  Why do we tag anyone on this forum for scamming?  Those are all questions as good as the ones you're asking, yet those things happen.

Lenders will treat potential borrowers differently if a potential borrower is currently delinquent on a loan, compared to a borrower who was previously delinquent, but is now current/paying as agreed. 

IMO being fired for a mere accusation is inappropriate, but a substantiated accusation of sexual misconduct is obviously more serious than not paying your bills on time.

Tags are given out as a deterrence to scamming. A flag for a contract violation should be opposed (and support should be withdrawn) if the damaged party has been made whole. The statement that is made when supporting a contract violation reads, in part:

[user] did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act

[Poker Player]

Hey. I didn't expect this thread to have had so many responses in such a short time.

First to The Pharmacist: Brainboss does not have access to funds. You can see that at present it is different from the case you comment on Lutpin. It is Lightlord who makes the payments.

Any negative trust he receives should be removed once he catches up on payments.

I disagree with that, since this is the second time his campaign participants have had serious issues with payment.  It's just not acceptable behavior, and I thought I was being generous last time by changing my negative to a neutral.  This time I think he's earned a neg, regardless of what reasons or excuses he has for not paying out and not communicating.  Enough is enough with this guy.

If he pays his debt, there is no reason why he should have a negative.

Here I agree more with The Pharmacist. I have left Lightlord neutral feedback for the moment, but I think everyone who deals with him on money matters should be aware of how he behaves.

I am still owed money by Lightlord, Quickseller, I said so on the first page.

The fact that I do you a service and you, who have promised to pay me next week take 4,5, 10 weeks to pay me or more, seems to me at least morally questionable and at least makes me doubt whether I should leave him negative feedback as The Parmacist has done.

Since he's supposedly sick, I'm going to do what I said, wait a couple of weeks and see how it goes.

[suchmoon]

The fact that I do you a service and you, who have promised to pay me next week take 4,5, 10 weeks to pay me or more, seems to me at least morally questionable and at least makes me doubt whether I should leave him negative feedback as The Parmacist has done.

Where exactly is your doubt here? It looks like he already had red trust a couple of years ago and it was revised to neutral... Second chances are great and all, but this one's blown bigly and seems like proven "high risk" behavior.

[Poker Player]

The fact that I do you a service and you, who have promised to pay me next week take 4,5, 10 weeks to pay me or more, seems to me at least morally questionable and at least makes me doubt whether I should leave him negative feedback as The Parmacist has done.

Where exactly is your doubt here? It looks like he already had red trust a couple of years ago and it was revised to neutral... Second chances are great and all, but this one's blown bigly and seems like proven "high risk" behavior.

It's not so much doubt as insecurity, and more so now that I'm in D2, I don't want to rush. I opened this thread to see what people thought but since I can change the feedback to negative at any time, it looks like I will end up doing it.

[aysg76]

It's not so much doubt as insecurity, and more so now that I'm in D2, I don't want to rush. I opened this thread to see what people thought but since I can change the feedback to negative at any time, it looks like I will end up doing it.

I know you have previously also stated about the long delays in payment from the campaign and i think that at current 10 weeks payment have been due to the participants which is long delay.Along with you some other's also claimed not to be paid on regular intervals and just received the previous funds when the next week comes.

There are some other participants also who are facing the similar situations awaiting for the payments for the weeks.

It's taking a bit longer for @lightlord to process the pays, this batch seems a bit longer than the usual 6 weeks delay, I don't know the highest weeks delay in payment but it seems that this is the highest number being 8 going 9, hope that the bonus for the next pay is a bit generous than the usual  .

Just today there was a scam accusations against Bitvest by one of the newbie opened up in gambling discussion section.I have not played on casino but it seems from the discussion that hot wallets are empty most of the time which delays the withdrawal of players and same issues there also.

I read in some places that lightlord is sick and that's why he can't enter the forum. If he is really sick, I wish him a speedy recovery. He hasn't logged into the forum since Sept 26. It's a serious illness that he probably didn't even have a chance to simply enter the forum and make a statement. This is a sad situation for people who have not received payment for about 10 weeks. I hope he gets over his illness soon and makes the payments.

The lightlord made the last post with round 133-136 payments but the spreadsheet has been updated with round 146 payments also by the manager which makes 10 weeks delay in payments which is big.

But @OP you are lucky to be selected in second highest paying signature campaign on the forum because these issues might remain the same and participants waiting for some more weeks payment.

[Stalker22]

I only ask because I don't know how many weeks behind the various recipients are owed their back pay - I did see ten weeks in one post, is this correct?  Also, another post made mention of a "bonus" being paid as a "late fee" - is this paid across the board?

This was the calculation I did a few posts back. CryptopreneurBrainboss can confirm whether this is correct.

Based on the spreadsheet, the total amount overdue for the last 10 rounds is: 0.2359419 (Bitvest) + 0.1070795 (777Coin), or about $19,000 based on Bitcoin's current value (not including bonuses). Quite a bit, I must say.

[Poker Player]

Just today there was a scam accusations against Bitvest by one of the newbie opened up in gambling discussion section.

Thank you for informing me of this thread, as I was unaware that it had been opened. I don't want to repeat here what was said there, but summarizing a lot, proper businesses that move a lot of money, think about that according to Stalker22 are owed over $20K just in advertising, they don't get paralyzed because there is a single person who gets sick.

Can anyone imagine not getting their payroll because their boss got sick? And I'm talking about someone who works in a company where money flows, like money flows in 777 and Bitvest casinos. A proper business has to have foreseen how to keep the business running if the owner gets sick.

[yahoo62278]

Who runs multiple websites and never checks on them or goes months without checking on them? If you are that type of person, why wouldn't you have a second in command to communicate what may or may not be going on? At the very least Lightlord should have someone who has multiple ways to get a hold of him to top up wallets for both the websites and the campaigns.

I've seen multiple people say give him more time, and others who have made good points as to how other members would be treated. I think the community needs to stand up for itsself here and say enough is enough. If this was 1 time, I would say look the other way since he has been running the sites for years now. Obviously this is not 1 time and shouldn't be acceptable.

[Timelord2067]

I only ask because I don't know how many weeks behind the various recipients are owed their back pay - I did see ten weeks in one post, is this correct?  Also, another post made mention of a "bonus" being paid as a "late fee" - is this paid across the board?

This was the calculation I did a few posts back. CryptopreneurBrainboss can confirm whether this is correct.

Based on the spreadsheet, the total amount overdue for the last 10 rounds is: 0.2359419 (Bitvest) + 0.1070795 (777Coin), or about $19,000 based on Bitcoin's current value (not including bonuses). Quite a bit, I must say.

Thanks for providing this information - although I'm prepared to accept the "benefit of the doubt" arguement for the last two or three weeks being described as "sick leave", I can't help but wonder why @lightlord said nothing in the intervening seven or eight weeks prior to that??

Or, in the preceding twelve or more months since the payments to participants slipped from weekly to semi weekly then every once in a while.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It's not so much doubt as insecurity, and more so now that I'm in D2, I don't want to rush. I opened this thread to see what people thought but since I can change the feedback to negative at any time, it looks like I will end up doing it.

While it's true that with great power comes great responsibility (Spidey senses are tingling), let me give you a small piece of advice: Sometimes you have to be bold, and this is one of those cases IMO where the use of your DT2 powers is justified--and I've already given my reasoning on that in my previous posts, so I won't repeat the same arguments again.

but this one's blown bigly

That's a very interesting turn of phrase, one I may steal from you for use away from this forum.  

First to The Pharmacist: Brainboss does not have access to funds. You can see that at present it is different from the case you comment on Lutpin. It is Lightlord who makes the payments.

Yeah, I'm not holding CCB accountable for any of this.  It's all on lightlord.  Doesn't he send the funds to CCB to pay out the participants, though?  That's the way other campaigns work.  Maybe I didn't read deeply enough into this thread, but I thought I read all the pertinent facts.

[Lordshiva]

Well i joined 777 Signature campaign 2 months ago, it was written that the payments are bi-monthly so i joined this campaign and i also planned to do some thing which those amount, but 2 months passed and not recieved single payment till now.
This thing should not happen because i only joined because i read that i will get paid in 2 weeks, even if i get paid now that will not compensate the thing that when i needed the money I did not got that, i planned something with those funds and due to this i am not able to do that.

[isaac_clarke22]

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First to The Pharmacist: Brainboss does not have access to funds. You can see that at present it is different from the case you comment on Lutpin. It is Lightlord who makes the payments.

Yeah, I'm not holding CCB accountable for any of this.  It's all on lightlord.  Doesn't he send the funds to CCB to pay out the participants, though?  That's the way other campaigns work.  Maybe I didn't read deeply enough into this thread, but I thought I read all the pertinent facts.

No, actually
After the management of the campaign was transferred to CCB, it was LL that was sending payments now since, while before it was Hhampuz that both manages the campaign while also processing the payments.
Not sure why though

[jakdanyel]

By the way, these are the addresses that lightlord makes 777 and Bitvest signature campaign payments through;
1BitvestxmKKNRjxyHh5Mn1iWovFzs93Hr and 1777CoinbQutKJdCsMryj5CcEWGwx2sWRw .

There is no transaction that has been made through these addresses also. Maybe this can make us keep our hopes up about that lightlord is really in no condition to get access. But still, I think that people on forum should show a firm attitude against lightlord as this situation doesn't happen for the first time.

[meser#]

We have an idiom in Turkey:

Don't say you have wheat in the farm, until when you don't take it to the barn.
Don't say you have a good child, until he/she get married.
Don't say you have a loyal wife, until when you don't see a bad day
Don't say you have a good brother, until when the inheritance is not divided

Don't say you have signature campaign reward until lightlord send it  As far as I understand, there is a statement that he is sick and eloncoin's discord channel admin made this statement. I tried to join this channel, but the invite link has expired. Can someone who is already on this channel contact this admin to get new information. He'd have to be on his deathbed or something like that to stay away that long.

[DaveF]

By the way, these are the addresses that lightlord makes 777 and Bitvest signature campaign payments through;
1BitvestxmKKNRjxyHh5Mn1iWovFzs93Hr and 1777CoinbQutKJdCsMryj5CcEWGwx2sWRw .

There is no transaction that has been made through these addresses also. Maybe this can make us keep our hopes up about that lightlord is really in no condition to get access. But still, I think that people on forum should show a firm attitude against lightlord as this situation doesn't happen for the first time.

Makes you wonder if in the future if this campaign continues lightlord would be willing to use a 2 of 3 multisig wallet with CryptopreneurBrainboss and a trusted 3rd person.

When sending payments lightlord & CryptopreneurBrainboss both have to sign off on it. But if lightlord goes dark again CryptopreneurBrainboss can contact the 3rd person, send out whatever BTC is sill sitting in the wallet and halt the campaign.

And for good measure make sure that on average there is at least a few weeks of BTC in the wallets. So if a very long delay like this happens again people many not get the full amount they are owed they at least get some.

It is far from an ideal situation, but it might work.

-Dave

[meser#]

When I did a little research, the account named @Zodiac1233 is another founder of bitvest. He's also lightlord's childhood friend (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=21720) . I tried to send mail but it could not be delivered. For now, I think we can reach the most accurate and clear information from the zodiac.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

When I did a little research, the account named @Zodiac1233 is another founder of bitvest. He's also lightlord's childhood friend (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=21720) . I tried to send mail but it could not be delivered. For now, I think we can reach the most accurate and clear information from the zodiac.

This is a good find. Most of his posts last year clearly show that he's part of the Bitvest team. Maybe a developer.

What is disappointing is that he has also been offline since August 06, 2021

I don't know if there are any issues coming up on Bitvest and 777coin, but I would certainly stop using those sites as a precaution.