Bitcoin mixer Bitwhisk.io seized by the FBI

[shield132]

Could be fake. The one on BestMixer was just a plain image: https://archive.is/sBZZy

Bitwhisk's "seized" page has an animated background and actual HTML text. Maybe the FBI hired a new web developer?

There is a plain image on weleakinfo.com so...

Am I the only one who thinks that the text "You are not anonymous" wouldn't be written by FBI and the website in reality isn't seized?

The you are not anonymous tag line was displayed on the BestMixer website when their domain was seized. I don’t think this specifically is an indication that the site was not seized. However, my previous post does make the argument that this is an exit scam.

Really? I think that kind of message done via that way seems a little unethical for FBI. I really couldn't expect that they did something like that because that message looks like a threat against that website users. Idk, that's just my idea, such a message from them looks childish.

Yeah, I saw the previous post but at the same time there isn't a press release written on each domain that becomes seized. Usually only the famous domains are mentioned, idk if BitWhisk was belonging to that group (I knew that mixer but what was their traffic and mixing volume).

I still think (like you) that it's an exit scam and this Seize banner was made just to make it scam less scammy.

[stomachgrowls]

@leea

When they make an announcement, it's too late. They have already everything they need including the servers and its data (that's mean customers IPs and much more)

When Bestmixer has been seized in 2019, they started to investigate 1 year before. In fact, it started 1 month after the launch of the mixer. So we can say since the begining. They collected 1 year of email support, BTC addresses, IPs, transaction details,...
I remember months later they arrested a guy with a ton of cash, BTC wallets, luxury watches, and IICRC gold

Yes,,, I see now. So they already did everything they needed to obtain the information, but still it does not make sense for them to announce the seizure if they can continue to catch and collect.

Or perhaps they only do it when they need to close the case and move on. But I always feel like the enforcement seem to think too short term and announcing such things lengthens the work they need o do later on.

There's nothing we can do if they do prefer that way.For me it doesnt matter whether this one is fake or showoff or real but still these kind of seizing is very common.FBI or regulatory bodies could

really make out such decision on everything which doesnt abide with the law or totally against with the basic principle.They would really make out corresponding actions or move

if they seem that it is really having violation or being a threat or something connects or correlated to that.

[leea-1334]

But I always feel like the enforcement seem to think too short term and announcing such things lengthens the work they need o do later on.

There's nothing we can do if they do prefer that way.For me it doesnt matter whether this one is fake or showoff or real but still these kind of seizing is very common.FBI or regulatory bodies could

really make out such decision on everything which doesnt abide with the law or totally against with the basic principle.They would really make out corresponding actions or move

if they seem that it is really having violation or being a threat or something connects or correlated to that.

I always believe that in general,,, enforcement works well and does what it is supposed to do to protect people,,, but over the years after reading and seeing stuff even in my own country, I now believe that enforcement is sometimes doing only what their salary-payer tells them to do.

Sometimes arrests are arranged, because if we talk about law-abiding, they do not need to look at crypto. Fiat dealing crooks are plentiful in the sea

Mixers are even more strange because they itself are not criminal acts.

[Quickseller]

Could be fake. The one on BestMixer was just a plain image: https://archive.is/sBZZy

Bitwhisk's "seized" page has an animated background and actual HTML text. Maybe the FBI hired a new web developer?

There is a plain image on weleakinfo.com so...

Am I the only one who thinks that the text "You are not anonymous" wouldn't be written by FBI and the website in reality isn't seized?

The you are not anonymous tag line was displayed on the BestMixer website when their domain was seized. I don’t think this specifically is an indication that the site was not seized. However, my previous post does make the argument that this is an exit scam.

Really? I think that kind of message done via that way seems a little unethical for FBI. I really couldn't expect that they did something like that because that message looks like a threat against that website users. Idk, that's just my idea, such a message from them looks childish.

You might argue such a message is childish, but I think the purpose of the message on the BestMixer domain was to make criminals think twice before attempting to mix their bitcoin.

Yeah, I saw the previous post but at the same time there isn't a press release written on each domain that becomes seized. Usually only the famous domains are mentioned, idk if BitWhisk was belonging to that group (I knew that mixer but what was their traffic and mixing volume).

I still think (like you) that it's an exit scam and this Seize banner was made just to make it scam less scammy.

The FBI does not necessarily need to issue a press release, however they do need to initiate some form of litigation against the owner of the domain. The US government needs to either initiate a criminal complaint or a civil forfeiture case. They can't just take the domain and not allow a process for the owner to challenge the seizure.

[stomachgrowls]

But I always feel like the enforcement seem to think too short term and announcing such things lengthens the work they need o do later on.

There's nothing we can do if they do prefer that way.For me it doesnt matter whether this one is fake or showoff or real but still these kind of seizing is very common.FBI or regulatory bodies could

really make out such decision on everything which doesnt abide with the law or totally against with the basic principle.They would really make out corresponding actions or move

if they seem that it is really having violation or being a threat or something connects or correlated to that.

I always believe that in general,,, enforcement works well and does what it is supposed to do to protect people,,, but over the years after reading and seeing stuff even in my own country, I now believe that enforcement is sometimes doing only what their salary-payer tells them to do.

Sometimes arrests are arranged, because if we talk about law-abiding, they do not need to look at crypto. Fiat dealing crooks are plentiful in the sea

Mixers are even more strange because they itself are not criminal acts.

Are not criminal acts? Thats not how government been looking or does have impression about mixers thats why we've seen some mixers/tumblers had been seized because they do really strongly
believe that criminal funds or something like that do really goes first on this place which means they are part of the crime which is wrong or isnt correct.

There would be always that good and bad side but overall it is just the users or the community are the ones who had been really taking advantage its bad side.

This mixer hunting would really continue on future years to come because government wouldnt definitely stop.

[leea-1334]

Mixers are even more strange because they itself are not criminal acts.

Are not criminal acts? Thats not how government been looking or does have impression about mixers thats why we've seen some mixers/tumblers had been seized because they do really strongly
believe that criminal funds or something like that do really goes first on this place which means they are part of the crime which is wrong or isnt correct.

There would be always that good and bad side but overall it is just the users or the community are the ones who had been really taking advantage its bad side.

This mixer hunting would really continue on future years to come because government wouldnt definitely stop.

Yes,,, I do not think mixing is a criminal act in itself right? They look at mixers not because mixing is a crime but because criminals use mixers. Dealing with criminals is the crime. It is like in a casino,,, they have to do extra money laundering steps because the goverment believe criminals use casinos to wash their dirty money.

So the casino itself is not illegal,,, but knowingly allowing criminals to wash money there is.

Mixing has to stay ahead of enforcement and this encourages even more advanced mixing.

[Naficopa]

Mixers are even more strange because they itself are not criminal acts.

Are not criminal acts? Thats not how government been looking or does have impression about mixers thats why we've seen some mixers/tumblers had been seized because they do really strongly
believe that criminal funds or something like that do really goes first on this place which means they are part of the crime which is wrong or isnt correct.

There would be always that good and bad side but overall it is just the users or the community are the ones who had been really taking advantage its bad side.

This mixer hunting would really continue on future years to come because government wouldnt definitely stop.

Yes,,, I do not think mixing is a criminal act in itself right? They look at mixers not because mixing is a crime but because criminals use mixers. Dealing with criminals is the crime. It is like in a casino,,, they have to do extra money laundering steps because the goverment believe criminals use casinos to wash their dirty money.

So the casino itself is not illegal,,, but knowingly allowing criminals to wash money there is.

Mixing has to stay ahead of enforcement and this encourages even more advanced mixing.

However, casinos have legal regulations that they have to follow and thus can function. For governments, not knowing who is using the mixer because they have no control over it is already a money-laundering suspicion. It doesn't have to be a criminal, but they just need to know who it is and this can be an excuse to close the mixers. Possibly, they will create similar legal regulations as casinos have and then mixers continue to work.

[leea-1334]

So the casino itself is not illegal,,, but knowingly allowing criminals to wash money there is.

Mixing has to stay ahead of enforcement and this encourages even more advanced mixing.

However, casinos have legal regulations that they have to follow and thus can function. For governments, not knowing who is using the mixer because they have no control over it is already a money-laundering suspicion. It doesn't have to be a criminal, but they just need to know who it is and this can be an excuse to close the mixers. Possibly, they will create similar legal regulations as casinos have and then mixers continue to work.

Then the government has to regulate mixers,,, and make it the law to do so. If they want, they can try. You have to prove a crime first before you can call it a crime. We all know the state can make up any excuse it wishes to do what it wants.

On the pretext of protecting people. But taking away our right to privacy is the most sinister crime governments are not held responsible for.