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One of the most common reason on why people do still fall for this kind of scam or illusion that you do say is that they do tend to believe that easy bets do exist or some sort of exploit or leakage which do actually exist but scammers or fraudsters do make use it as for them to be able to scam people but if you do just realize on how things works then you could really avoid and just simply stick with your own decisions and jurisdictions on things and not relying with these lies.
This is why people keep getting scammed, they want to believe that there is an easy way for them to make money in the markets and they are not willing to believe otherwise, even when the majority of the community keeps telling them that what they are looking for is impossible and that gambling should only be done for entertainment purposes they keep insisting there is a way to profit from those games. And eventually when their capital is reduced to zero they realize how wrong they were and how the community was trying to protect them from this outcome, but unfortunately this realization comes too late for those greedy and naive gamblers.
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November 03, 2021, 09:57:38 AM |
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The only people who benefit from fixed matches are bookies and players.
There are also some gamblers that benefits in fixed matches and those are the gamblers that close to the Kitchen I wouldn't want to be one of them, tbh. This world of criminals is better to be avoided. We all know that in gambling the higher the stakes the more risk is involved. But in a fair game what you are risking is your money, while if you are "close to the Kitchen", as you put it, you are risking your health, your freedom, and even your very life. Regardless of the potential profit, it's not worth it.
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November 03, 2021, 10:27:39 AM |
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The only people who benefit from fixed matches are bookies and players.
There are also some gamblers that benefits in fixed matches and those are the gamblers that close to the Kitchen I wouldn't want to be one of them, tbh. This world of criminals is better to be avoided. We all know that in gambling the higher the stakes the more risk is involved. But in a fair game what you are risking is your money, while if you are "close to the Kitchen", as you put it, you are risking your health, your freedom, and even your very life. Regardless of the potential profit, it's not worth it. Same here, that would put our lives at risk as that means you are part of a big criminal that kills people. This is a syndicate that's job is to fix games, they paid people to do it or will kill them if they won't follow, no way we will live a healthy life associating with these people. That's why it's better to learn how to win in a clean way than getting a guaranteed win but putting your life and even your family at risk of getting killed.
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November 03, 2021, 11:43:40 AM |
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<...> Looking upon the sporting industry from the outside it looks like very legit, but more and more forms of corruption is paving path. It is shocking to read a news mentioning about the increase of suspicions to 1100 since the pandemic start. Particularly the football sporting is at high risk on corruption. 655 cases recorded in the last nine months. So we can't say match fixing is not there anymore. Source : Match-fixing suspicions raised in 1,100 cases since pandemic’s startreally interesting, thanks for linking this article! now, I'm curious on how they detected it? some whistleblower? game analysis somehow? other methods? must be not so easy to check if a match was fixed or not.
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November 03, 2021, 12:25:07 PM |
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<...> Looking upon the sporting industry from the outside it looks like very legit, but more and more forms of corruption is paving path. It is shocking to read a news mentioning about the increase of suspicions to 1100 since the pandemic start. Particularly the football sporting is at high risk on corruption. 655 cases recorded in the last nine months. So we can't say match fixing is not there anymore. Source : Match-fixing suspicions raised in 1,100 cases since pandemic’s startreally interesting, thanks for linking this article! now, I'm curious on how they detected it? some whistleblower? game analysis somehow? other methods? must be not so easy to check if a match was fixed or not. These are just suspicions, question is, with the total of 1,100 cases, is there at least one person getting convicted for fixing a game? If there's none, then I would say it's just useless because it will never stop when no one gets convicted, or maybe we are just too suspicious without a valid basis.
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November 03, 2021, 04:03:31 PM |
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We all know that in gambling the higher the stakes the more risk is involved. But in a fair game what you are risking is your money, while if you are "close to the Kitchen", as you put it, you are risking your health, your freedom, and even your very life. Regardless of the potential profit, it's not worth it.
Yeah, that must be a valid point. Even a gambler is getting the highest odds, how much they could make? Some 10x or 25x of their bankroll? But if they get into legal actions, that may risk their rest of life; definitely anyone could make multifold of money from other opportunities. Honestly greediness must be playing and leading gamblers to go against their law here. A law abiding gambler never will look for such a fixed match betting for any reasons. Recently someone tried to contact me in telegram for fixed match betting on one famous crypto gambling platform; not sure how true what they were talking but I immediately blocked them and deleted the chat history.
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November 05, 2021, 09:51:39 AM |
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We all know that in gambling the higher the stakes the more risk is involved. But in a fair game what you are risking is your money, while if you are "close to the Kitchen", as you put it, you are risking your health, your freedom, and even your very life. Regardless of the potential profit, it's not worth it.
Yeah, that must be a valid point. Even a gambler is getting the highest odds, how much they could make? Some 10x or 25x of their bankroll? But if they get into legal actions, that may risk their rest of life; definitely anyone could make multifold of money from other opportunities. Honestly greediness must be playing and leading gamblers to go against their law here. A law abiding gambler never will look for such a fixed match betting for any reasons. Recently someone tried to contact me in telegram for fixed match betting on one famous crypto gambling platform; not sure how true what they were talking but I immediately blocked them and deleted the chat history.I would do exactly the same. Most likely those clowns that contacted you can't do sh*t in regard to fixing matches, especially when we are talking of a famous crypto gambling platform. It would be worth investigating if there was a chance that they could do something, but that chance is more than likely equal to zero, so why waste time?
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November 05, 2021, 01:46:14 PM |
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We all know that in gambling the higher the stakes the more risk is involved. But in a fair game what you are risking is your money, while if you are "close to the Kitchen", as you put it, you are risking your health, your freedom, and even your very life. Regardless of the potential profit, it's not worth it.
Yeah, that must be a valid point. Even a gambler is getting the highest odds, how much they could make? Some 10x or 25x of their bankroll? But if they get into legal actions, that may risk their rest of life; definitely anyone could make multifold of money from other opportunities. Honestly greediness must be playing and leading gamblers to go against their law here. A law abiding gambler never will look for such a fixed match betting for any reasons. Recently someone tried to contact me in telegram for fixed match betting on one famous crypto gambling platform; not sure how true what they were talking but I immediately blocked them and deleted the chat history.I would do exactly the same. Most likely those clowns that contacted you can't do sh*t in regard to fixing matches, especially when we are talking of a famous crypto gambling platform. It would be worth investigating if there was a chance that they could do something, but that chance is more than likely equal to zero, so why waste time? I think these people are bots, they message random telegram users and offer their fixed game information for money, though most of us are probably aware of this I'm sure there are still gamblers who fall for this kind of scam. You know, it could also look real because what if their tip will hit, then most probably the gambler will try to avail again as he/she is more confident, but if the tipster will run out of luck and bet will not win, that's the time the gambler will realize he was only fooled, too late.
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November 05, 2021, 05:21:09 PM |
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I wouldn't want to be one of them, tbh. This world of criminals is better to be avoided. We all know that in gambling the higher the stakes the more risk is involved. But in a fair game what you are risking is your money, while if you are "close to the Kitchen", as you put it, you are risking your health, your freedom, and even your very life. Regardless of the potential profit, it's not worth it.
People most of the time do not think things through, there are only two ways to fix matches with money or with threats, and the kind of person that can use either one of those methods is probably someone you do not want to be around as it is obvious they have no moral compass and can do whatever is necessary to get what they want, so when you think about it in this way we see that it is not worth to try to become part of those circles that can fix matches.
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November 05, 2021, 05:40:26 PM |
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I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.
Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?
My area of interest is cricket, so I will talk from that prespective. Yes in cricket, match fixing is real and there are many instances where players were caught red handed. There are not many instance of match fixing in 60s, 70 and 80s. As cricket start growing in terms of money , we start seeing instances of match fixing. First one which I remember was of South Africa Captain Hansie Cronje. On this day in 2000: Hansie Cronje sacked over match-fixing scandal
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November 05, 2021, 05:46:08 PM |
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I wouldn't want to be one of them, tbh. This world of criminals is better to be avoided. We all know that in gambling the higher the stakes the more risk is involved. But in a fair game what you are risking is your money, while if you are "close to the Kitchen", as you put it, you are risking your health, your freedom, and even your very life. Regardless of the potential profit, it's not worth it.
People most of the time do not think things through, there are only two ways to fix matches with money or with threats, and the kind of person that can use either one of those methods is probably someone you do not want to be around as it is obvious they have no moral compass and can do whatever is necessary to get what they want, so when you think about it in this way we see that it is not worth to try to become part of those circles that can fix matches. You'll find yourself being victimized if you chased for this kind of people. They can easily change the turn off events with money and influenced those people are very capable of manipulating the outcome, either you'll be lucky to take some portion if fixed match went according to how you bought it or you may suffered with a great loss if the outcome Turns against you. Fixed match can always be fix you don't have any clear direction and you don't have any idea if you are dealing with the right person behind.
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November 05, 2021, 05:47:14 PM |
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I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.
Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?
They are most definitely real but chances are they only affect a very small percentage of any professional sports league. If you can imagine that professional players are meant to be the very best and are hired based on that skillset, yet the main way of rigging a competition would be to intentionally lose. If you keep losing as both an individual or a team player then eventually you will end up competing only in the lower and less profitable ranks of the game. It is usually pretty obvious when teams or solo players have intentionally attempted to rig a game, because they are usually favorites and have to make some rather silly mistakes in their usually solid game play to let the opponent win, if you do that enough times it comes under a lot of scrutiny.
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in my opinion is better to avoid trying to "cheat" and game the system for a personal gain
I agree in spirit but you can't win in the long term without cheating. Gambling doesn't work that way. there are so many ways to make money without fooling someone or having to rely on a "hot tip" that may be a scam...
Yeah that's called working. People don't understand that gambling is for fun. It is not about making money. Not for you anyways. That's job of the casino owner ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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in my opinion is better to avoid trying to "cheat" and game the system for a personal gain
I agree in spirit but you can't win in the long term without cheating. Gambling doesn't work that way. there are so many ways to make money without fooling someone or having to rely on a "hot tip" that may be a scam...
Yeah that's called working. People don't understand that gambling is for fun. It is not about making money. Not for you anyways. That's job of the casino owner ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) depends on the game, but it's definitely harder to win when odds are against you well, there are passive income strategies that aren't exactly work too, but yes, working is a good way to make money
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November 07, 2021, 10:26:59 PM |
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I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.
Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?
They are most definitely real but chances are they only affect a very small percentage of any professional sports league. If you can imagine that professional players are meant to be the very best and are hired based on that skillset, yet the main way of rigging a competition would be to intentionally lose. If you keep losing as both an individual or a team player then eventually you will end up competing only in the lower and less profitable ranks of the game. It is usually pretty obvious when teams or solo players have intentionally attempted to rig a game, because they are usually favorites and have to make some rather silly mistakes in their usually solid game play to let the opponent win, if you do that enough times it comes under a lot of scrutiny. If you do that in a big sport where people can easily detect if you intentionally did such mistakes you'll be questionable, fixed games mostly happened with small / unpopular competitions, money can manipulate those on the lower leagues, while with big leagues and popular sports, medias are everywhere a mistake will surely be eyed for questioning and players/teams are all liable if proven. Most of those professional stars are fully aware of the consequences in case involvement with kind of illegal things has been proven., A tough call for them as they will risk their fame and reliability just for the sake of some money, unless it's worth taking everything for granted. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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November 07, 2021, 10:55:58 PM |
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If you do that in a big sport where people can easily detect if you intentionally did such mistakes you'll be questionable, fixed games mostly happened with small / unpopular competitions, money can manipulate those on the lower leagues, while with big leagues and popular sports, medias are everywhere a mistake will surely be eyed for questioning and players/teams are all liable if proven. Most of those professional stars are fully aware of the consequences in case involvement with kind of illegal things has been proven., A tough call for them as they will risk their fame and reliability just for the sake of some money, unless it's worth taking everything for granted. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Usually unpopular sports like local sports draws a little attention than those in big sports and most probably fixed matches will be likely real in this category of sports. Like what you've mentioned mate big and known sports have the media and people's eyeing the anticipated event so in most cases those players in this type of game are a well skilled player so definitely it would be hard to fixed a match of this type of game. However, either fixed matches happen on a small spots event or in a big event it shouldn't be tolerated because the probable victims are those bettor who don't have any idea about it.
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<...> Looking upon the sporting industry from the outside it looks like very legit, but more and more forms of corruption is paving path. It is shocking to read a news mentioning about the increase of suspicions to 1100 since the pandemic start. Particularly the football sporting is at high risk on corruption. 655 cases recorded in the last nine months. So we can't say match fixing is not there anymore. Source : Match-fixing suspicions raised in 1,100 cases since pandemic’s startreally interesting, thanks for linking this article! now, I'm curious on how they detected it? some whistleblower? game analysis somehow? other methods? must be not so easy to check if a match was fixed or not. This is one of the challenges in match-fixing on how you could prove that such event did happen. One might argue that the opposing team might have a 'bad day' as to their performance but a proper investigation and comparison of their old games can be used to determine if they are intentionally throwing the match or not. Like what I previously posted and shared, there was a match involving two (2) basketball teams where the other team was intentionally throwing the game (e.g. giving fouls, shooting airballs, turnovers, etc.) and it was investigated and proved that they intentionally did it. Another thing, most match-fixing happens on a small and niche community where the teams are comfortable enough to do it due to the relaxed security and supervision.
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<...> Looking upon the sporting industry from the outside it looks like very legit, but more and more forms of corruption is paving path. It is shocking to read a news mentioning about the increase of suspicions to 1100 since the pandemic start. Particularly the football sporting is at high risk on corruption. 655 cases recorded in the last nine months. So we can't say match fixing is not there anymore. Source : Match-fixing suspicions raised in 1,100 cases since pandemic’s startreally interesting, thanks for linking this article! now, I'm curious on how they detected it? some whistleblower? game analysis somehow? other methods? must be not so easy to check if a match was fixed or not. This is one of the challenges in match-fixing on how you could prove that such event did happen. One might argue that the opposing team might have a 'bad day' as to their performance but a proper investigation and comparison of their old games can be used to determine if they are intentionally throwing the match or not. Like what I previously posted and shared, there was a match involving two (2) basketball teams where the other team was intentionally throwing the game (e.g. giving fouls, shooting airballs, turnovers, etc.) and it was investigated and proved that they intentionally did it. Another thing, most match-fixing happens on a small and niche community where the teams are comfortable enough to do it due to the relaxed security and supervision. Such investigations usually take long time as they need to carefully gather possible evidences, witnesses and other factors that may have contributed the fixed-match situation. They need to verify the validity of the information as well. So these cases are not easy to resolve because they need to be really sure that match-fixing did happen. Because it will ruin the career of the athletes involved and also those organizations or personnel that took part with the situation.
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<...> Looking upon the sporting industry from the outside it looks like very legit, but more and more forms of corruption is paving path. It is shocking to read a news mentioning about the increase of suspicions to 1100 since the pandemic start. Particularly the football sporting is at high risk on corruption. 655 cases recorded in the last nine months. So we can't say match fixing is not there anymore. Source : Match-fixing suspicions raised in 1,100 cases since pandemic’s startreally interesting, thanks for linking this article! now, I'm curious on how they detected it? some whistleblower? game analysis somehow? other methods? must be not so easy to check if a match was fixed or not. This is one of the challenges in match-fixing on how you could prove that such event did happen. One might argue that the opposing team might have a 'bad day' as to their performance but a proper investigation and comparison of their old games can be used to determine if they are intentionally throwing the match or not. Like what I previously posted and shared, there was a match involving two (2) basketball teams where the other team was intentionally throwing the game (e.g. giving fouls, shooting airballs, turnovers, etc.) and it was investigated and proved that they intentionally did it. Another thing, most match-fixing happens on a small and niche community where the teams are comfortable enough to do it due to the relaxed security and supervision. Such investigations usually take long time as they need to carefully gather possible evidences, witnesses and other factors that may have contributed the fixed-match situation. They need to verify the validity of the information as well. So these cases are not easy to resolve because they need to be really sure that match-fixing did happen. Because it will ruin the career of the athletes involved and also those organizations or personnel that took part with the situation. Another reason for the delay in such investigations is that money is being used to change the descsion or hide the victims who have been involved in match fixing. If found guilty, it can ruin the career of the player and at the same time it is an embarsement for the country, so they try their best to keep and resolve the matter under the table.
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I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.
Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?
My area of interest is cricket, so I will talk from that prespective. Yes in cricket, match fixing is real and there are many instances where players were caught red handed. There are not many instance of match fixing in 60s, 70 and 80s. As cricket start growing in terms of money , we start seeing instances of match fixing. First one which I remember was of South Africa Captain Hansie Cronje. On this day in 2000: Hansie Cronje sacked over match-fixing scandalYes cricket is one of the most corrupt game from many perspective as this was being rigged for long time now. there are more proofs and even involved people that speaks out already . so this has been one of the irresponsible sports to bet in , let us not gamble inside gambling , just Bet and enjoy and never give consent in cheating.
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