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November 12, 2021, 02:52:29 PM
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The question was: Is it possible, that Satoshi used precalculated addresses and not random addresses? (And this was an honest question.)
And we went one step further, saying that IF THEY DID, it wouldn't create a fair wealth distribution. (And would also give impersonators the chance to pretend they're them with proof)

What you're asking is answered. It's possible, yet highly unlikely by any means, judging by the arguments.

Because, if they chose random addresses, it wouldn't be possible to move them. Thereafter others will follow and move coins.
How can you really make this conclusion? Aren't they users of the system? If you witnessed a transaction which spends the coinbase reward from a very early block, do you conclude that someone found Satoshi's keys? Isn't it possible that the owner of those keys (who may not be Satoshi) just moved their money?

What is the difference between precalculated addresses and random addresses?
A randomly generated address is an address whose private key can't be predicted by any way. For instance, your wallet generates unpredictable entropies and hence, addresses. A pre-calculated address isn't that one. For instance, if you hash the “BlackHatCoiner.com”, you'll get this number:
Code:
3ce87d55b262b6e652977da02b277155be94bd8971f2695affef2068fd73658e

Which gives this WIF:
Code:
KyG7EsqabqCegycmfU7pTYS1vb1Ma4Ni8dvXi1BgA5gLw9MiwCz7

And if you import it in a wallet, you'll get:
Code:
1559QhHfcnq1XrCh1XbgswDeMtAHFvk9HJ

So you just created an address in a non-unpredictable way, which is obviously vulnerable to people who brute force such stuff.



Adding this quote, which is relatable;
Quote from: Occam s Razor
The simplest explanation is usually the right one

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November 12, 2021, 09:44:03 PM
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What is the difference between precalculated addresses and random addresses?
A randomly generated address is an address whose private key can't be predicted by any way. For instance, your wallet generates unpredictable entropies and hence, addresses. A pre-calculated address isn't that one.

That makes sense. Thanks for explaining. I thought the OP was referring to some pre-generated vanity addresses.

Anyhow, I agree with Occam's Razor on this. It is all just a wild theory without a lot of logic behind it, just like those conspiracy theories.
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November 12, 2021, 10:23:17 PM
Last edit: November 13, 2021, 02:42:50 AM by mynonce
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Before asking the question, I want to mention that even US courts are interested in this:

Gavin Andresen's deposition (For those who don't know him: Andresen was the lead developer for a part of the bitcoin digital currency project ... Andresen discovered bitcoin in 2010 ...  After joining the developers contributing to Bitcoin along with Satoshi Nakamoto, he went on to become lead developer of the client software for the bitcoin network. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Andresen)

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.589.3.pdf (page 31)
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Question: Are you aware of any patterns within the blockchain that would reveal which blocks were mined by Satoshi?
Andresen: There is a very interesting blog post by Sergio, Sergio Demian Lerner, where he found some patterns that are plausible that might be associated with Satoshi's mined Bitcoins.
Question: This is the Patoshi research? I think he calls it the Patoshi research?
Andresen: Maybe. I'm not familiar with that.
Question: They call it the Patoshi --
Andresen: I'm not familiar with that term.
Question: Is it -- is it based on the Nonce value?
Andresen: Yes, it's based on the Nonce values. And I have -- I have no direct knowledge of that, but his research seems plausible to me.
Question: Okay. Is there any reason you can think of that a miner would try to create a coinbase transaction that did not hash to within a specific range of values?
Question: Do you understand the question?
Andresen: I'm not sure I understand the question.
Question: Okay. Strike the question.
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Sergio Demian Lerner's findings: https://bitslog.com/2013/09/03/new-mystery-about-satoshi/

Adding this quote, which is relatable;
Quote from: Occam s Razor
The simplest explanation is usually the right one

My question: What is the simplest explanation for Satoshi's(= Patoshi's) nonce values, that can't be produced with the distributed original wallet software?
(New thread for this question: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5370618)
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