Show off your hardware wallet

[NeuroticFish]

Are you implying that the pen-shaped item is a hardware wallet?

I don't think so. I am not aware of any pen-shaped hardware wallets. Looks like a standard pen to me. I think he was trying to say that the best and safest way to store your recovery phrase is by using a pen and paper and not relying on other parties or gadgets, like in the case of hardware wallets.

He was most probably implying that he just writes down the private key or seed onto paper. Pen and paper are not software and can be seen as hardware.
I'd guess that he either doesn't understand what hardware wallet means, either wanted to play "I am smart and funny". Or both.

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[mocacinno]

just in case anybody is wondering about an update from the HW.1:

I plugged it in on my pc, everything looked fine.
I started electrum, created a new wallet using a hardware wallet and i was greeted with this screen:



I took it one step further and tried creating a native segwit wallet... This was taking it one step to far:


Then i tried a nested segwit (which went perfectly fine)

And last but not least, i created a legacy wallet... and since i didn't wipe the device and still knew my pincode by heart, i was greeted with this screen:


Then it got me thinking: did i ever claim the BCH fork (and all other sh*tcoin forks later on)... As an early (very small) christmas present, i found about $30 worth of sh*tforks... Not that i'm going to sweep them right ways... My recovery card is in my banksafe and electrum doesn't allow my to export my private keys (which is normal for a hardware wallet)

This thus goes to show that you don't judge a book by it's cover: the HW.1 was looking pretty flimsy... Just a plastic card and nothing more... But i have used this very first type of hardware wallet for years on an allmost daily basis... It has been gathering dust for many years afterwards... But when i plug it in, it works just as good as the day i purchased it

[bitmover]

This thus goes to show that you don't judge a book by it's cover: the HW.1 was looking pretty flimsy... Just a plastic card and nothing more... But i have used this very first type of hardware wallet for years on an allmost daily basis... It has been gathering dust for many years afterwards... But when i plug it in, it works just as good as the day i purchased it

That's is quite nice and shows the quality of the device. It is amazing to be able to use it after so many years, after so many software (and blockchain) updates.

Anyway, as I said in the first post, the only thing you really need is the seed. As the device generated the seed safely, you really don't need to worry about the hardware if it breaks.

[Maus0728]

 

Here's mine!

- I purchased my Ledger Nano S on May 13, 2020, during the first year of quarantine, and the product was delivered after 9 days of waiting :'(due to some restrictions that caused the courier's delay. @Lucius posted this thread Ledger Nano S - Get 50% off! in which I took advantage of the sale.
- I originally purchased the Trezor One to store all of my Axies/NFT because the Axie Infinity does not support Ledger products, which I believe is understandable given the Ledger hacking fiasco. I ordered it on October 26, 2021 from an authorized reseller in our area, and it arrived three days later.

I also do not unplug the cable on the Trezor One because I use it on a daily basis and I feel that unplugging the cable repeatedly can break the hardware wallet  . So far, after using both products after a year and for months, I have not found any hardware issues, with the exception of Ledger's latest firmware upgrade, which causes the overall storage to drop dramatically.

[Pmalek]

- I originally purchased the Trezor One to store all of my Axies/NFT because the Axie Infinity does not support Ledger products, which I believe is understandable given the Ledger hacking fiasco.

Maybe it wasn't supported at the time you purchased your Trezor device, but Axie Infinity is now natively supported by the two Ledger devices. The data leaks had no affect on the crypto assets though whatsoever.

So far, after using both products after a year and for months, I have not found any hardware issues, with the exception of Ledger's latest firmware upgrade, which causes the overall storage to drop dramatically.

I think the overall capacity before the latest firmware upgrade is 144kb and that it drops to 138kb after the update is done. Not dramatic, but somewhat of a noticeable difference sure. I still haven't performed the upgrade on my end and I am not in a hurry to do it.
9 users have taken part in this thread so far and shared some feedback regarding the wallets they own. From those who did, 8 users own a Ledger Nano S.

[Lucius]

- I purchased my Ledger Nano S on May 13, 2020, during the first year of quarantine, and the product was delivered after 9 days of waiting :'(due to some restrictions that caused the courier's delay. @Lucius posted this thread Ledger Nano S - Get 50% off! in which I took advantage of the sale.

I remember that, the 50% discount was a great opportunity to buy a hardware wallet. Now I noticed that you have some protection around HW, and it is also in the original image you posted in my thread - is it something that was in the package, or did you add it additionally?

9 users have taken part in this thread so far and shared some feedback regarding the wallets they own. From those who did, 8 users own a Ledger Nano S.

Ledger has been popular in the past, especially because of the discounts they had, and perhaps because of the design. I can't remember exactly how much Trezor cost 4-5 years ago, but it seems to me that it was more expensive than the Nano S.

[dkbit98]

I also do not unplug the cable on the Trezor One because I use it on a daily basis and I feel that unplugging the cable repeatedly can break the hardware wallet

There is no way you can break your device when you unplug it from your computer.
It's more likely that you will break your device keeping it all the time connected with your computer.
At very least your lcd screen will stop working much earlier than it could otherwise (this is especially related with ledger nano s device), and they are not created to be always powered on.
Note that it is possible to break plastic on ledger nano s if you press it to hard when you remove the cable connection.

[SFR10]

I also do not unplug the cable on the Trezor One because I use it on a daily basis and I feel that unplugging the cable repeatedly can break the hardware wallet  .

How dare you question Trezor's quality... On a serious note, if you were referring "only" to the micro-USB head that directly attaches to your Trezor One, as long as you're not plugging it in like a maniac, you shouldn't worry about it

9 users have taken part in this thread so far and shared some feedback regarding the wallets they own. From those who did, 8 users own a Ledger Nano S.

And from those 8 users, three of them own a Trezor One as well ^{[unfortunately, Ledger is better at marketing/advertising their products]}.

[Pmalek]

Now I noticed that you have some protection around HW, and it is also in the original image you posted in my thread - is it something that was in the package, or did you add it additionally?

The picture he posted here is the transparent version of the Ledger Nano S. I don't think there is any additional protection to it. Unless he has other pictures elsewhere.

I can't remember exactly how much Trezor cost 4-5 years ago, but it seems to me that it was more expensive than the Nano S.

The oldest achieve I could find is from January 2017. Back then, the Trezor One used to cost $99. The Nano S was sold for $49-59 if I remember correctly. On discount, it was possible to get it for $39, maybe even less. Hence its popularity.

Note that it is possible to break plastic on ledger nano s if you press it to hard when you remove the cable connection.

So don't press it too hard.
It's similar to your girl's or your kid's hand. If you press it too hard, it might break. Don't do it.

[Lucius]

The picture he posted here is the transparent version of the Ledger Nano S. I don't think there is any additional protection to it. Unless he has other pictures elsewhere.

I did not know that such a version existed at all, although I was aware that there were versions in different colors. It seemed to me that it was some kind of extra protection from moisture and dust.

The Nano S was sold for $49-59 if I remember correctly. On discount, it was possible to get it for $39, maybe even less. Hence its popularity.

As for the price, it was a bit higher, at least if we look at some reviews from that time - so the price on the official Ledger site was about $70, while resellers had even 100% higher prices. It seems that 2017 was a turning point for many to buy such devices, which is not surprising given the price of BTC, which increased by almost 20 times that year.

Amazon Prime customers could order a Ledger Nano S on the same day for $142 but it would not be stock until September 15. The lowest price for Nano S, on Amazon on September 7, 2017, was $109.99 from a supplier called cryptoHWwalletCOM. The wallet was on back order at that store, just like it was at Amazon Prime. Better prices can be found at Ledger’s website where the device retails for €58 ($69.59). Unfortunately, they are often sold out there as well. Therefore it might be a good idea to shop around and order early.  They typically sell out of each batch they make right away and then it’s a 2 to 4 month wait for the next batch.

[Pmalek]

As for the price, it was a bit higher, at least if we look at some reviews from that time - so the price on the official Ledger site was about $70, while resellers had even 100% higher prices. It seems that 2017 was a turning point for many to buy such devices, which is not surprising given the price of BTC, which increased by almost 20 times that year.

Actually, you are right. I made the mistake of adding the wrong fiat symbol because whenever we talk about Bitcoin, it's usually converted to a USD equivalent, not a EUR one, for example. I should have said €49-€59. I think I got mine for €49 or maybe even €39 on a very good discount.

[Maus0728]

Maybe it wasn't supported at the time you purchased your Trezor device, but Axie Infinity is now natively supported by the two Ledger devices. The data leaks had no affect on the crypto assets though whatsoever.

For the SLP and AXS which are the in-game tokens, then YES, Ledger products can hold these ERC20 tokens. What I'm referring about is Trezor's integration with their Ethereum-linked sidechain called Ronin, and using Trezor Wallet is the only way to increase the security of your NFT assets (e.g., Actual pets, Lands). Despite the fact that they did not support Ledger for their project, I am still happy that I own 2 hardware devices which I can use not only for axie but for other purposes as well, maybe for backup.

We recommend that all trainers protect their Axies and other assets with a hardware wallet. Ronin is only compatible with Trezor hardware wallets.

Now I noticed that you have some protection around HW, and it is also in the original image you posted in my thread - is it something that was in the package, or did you add it additionally?

@Pmalek is correct, it isn't some sort of protection around the device, but rather the transparent version of Ledger Nano S. I chose the transparent body over the black color since it looks cool and isn't something you see often among other Ledger users. Seeing the inside of the case looks cool though even if its fuzzy type of transparent.

[dkbit98]

Ledger nano s has green OLED film  display but not LCD one. The lifetime of green OLED emitters is ranging from ^{46,000 to 230,000 hours} so there is no need to worry about  its state if it is powered on a couple of hours per day. The most dangerous for this type of display is a water. That is why you need to do all you can to prevent water (condensate including) from coming inside the plastic case of Ledger nano (both s and X).

This is totally wrong assumptions, it is well known fact that display is weak spot for this devices, and you can find countless reports from people who complained about their screen going dim or totally stopped working.
I know exactly what cheap display model Ledger Nano S is using and you can purchase it for few bucks online, when it stops working after few years of normal usage (Not talking about device constantly connected to computer).
There are several video instructions for replacing display yourself, or you can use smartphone camera to mitigate this issue.
If you want to check my claims just type phrase ledger nano s display problem in browser search or youtube, and you will see clear results.
In addition to this, keeping your device non-stop connected to your computer can be a security risk.

Just for comparison, I don't know a single case of oldest hardware wallet Trezor One with bad or faulty display going dim.
That doesn't mean it's can't happen like for any other devices, but that is not something happening in mass scale.

[Pmalek]

I know exactly what cheap display model Ledger Nano S is using and you can purchase it for few bucks online, when it stops working after few years of normal usage (Not talking about device constantly connected to computer).
There are several video instructions for replacing display yourself, or you can use smartphone camera to mitigate this issue.

I was surprised that it's so easy to replace the screen yourself. You basically just pull out the connector for the old one and replace it with the new one you bought for a few bucks.

In the video you posted, the man says that he purchased two displays for around $8. But the other link you posted from buydisplay.com shows a price of $2.79. It's quite a big difference. Are you absolutely and 100% certain that particular brand will work with a Ledger Nano S?
One more thing. When you order a new display from that site, do you need a 'ZIF Connector (FPC Connector)' as well?

[dkbit98]

I was surprised that it's so easy to replace the screen yourself. You basically just pull out the connector for the old one and replace it with the new one you bought for a few bucks.

It's easy if you know how to handle electronics, and I would suggest ordering several reserve displays just in case yours go dim or totally dark.
You can always sell them locally for multiple times higher price, or start your own ledger repair shop if you want

It's quite a big difference. Are you absolutely and 100% certain that particular brand will work with a Ledger Nano S?

I am 99% sure because I didn't order from that link and I didn't test this myself, but it was confirmed by other people.
Model number is exactly the same and even ledger is ordering them from China/Asia.

I agree that your assumption on display of Ledger nano was completely wrong. You said it is LCD type display  while officials   says it is  OLED one.

I am old generation and I almost never use word OLED... out of old habit I mostly refer to all screens as LCD screens. I know they are not the same.
Counting alleged 46,000 to 230,000 hours that is around 1,916.6 year or 9,583.3 years for ledger display to work fine, and meanwhile we have hundreds or thousands of people reporting issue with their display.
Someone must be lying here, if you know what I mean

Ledger display problems youtube proof examples:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a6H22ddK08
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSwmk4GW4GI
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqEa1Wvt8PU
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2wzgqn2fFs
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m08UmWXCjc

This ledger oled screen also have some vulnerabilities reported back in 2019 and I think they still exist, but ledger claims they are non-critical and they implemented some countermeasures.
https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360033473414-OLED-Screen-vulnerability-FAQ?support=true

[Maus0728]

@dkbit98

Is this OLED LCD the same from the link you link you've sent?
- https://shopee.ph/product/132041196/2173800629?smtt=0.15159935-1642488042.9&fbclid=IwAR0h8C--d35rfxK01OL3q3yMtTh3bpWFPEC7bQDHRIqszQ1_5MWlZaKYFX8

Recently noticed that the display on my Ledger is a bit dim, so I am finding a similar OLED display from our local shop just in case when the problem is starting to get worse. Will there be no issues in terms of security?

[Pmalek]

Is this OLED LCD the same from the link you link you've sent?

It looks similar. 0.91 inches and a resolution of 128x32. Both show the same SSD number - SSD1306. However, the display you posted seems to be white. Ledger uses a dark one. The first couple of pictures on the link that dkbit98 posted seem dark. The last one is white though. 

Pay attention to the pins.
The video description that dkbit98 posted says it has to be 12 pins because the Ledger socket is 12 pins. But the one on https://www.buydisplay.com/0-91-inch-128x32-oled-display-with-connector-fpc-ssd1306-white-on-black has 15! I don't think it will work. The one you posted doesn't have 12 pins either. I count 14 or 15.

Check out the description link in the YouTube video. There is a link from where you can purchase the correct display with 12 pins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSwmk4GW4GI

Will there be no issues in terms of security?

They claim to have fixed the vulnerability of OLED displays with one of their old firmware upgrades. 

[dkbit98]

Is this OLED LCD the same from the link you link you've sent?
- https://shopee.ph/product/132041196/2173800629?smtt=0.15159935-1642488042.9&fbclid=IwAR0h8C--d35rfxK01OL3q3yMtTh3bpWFPEC7bQDHRIqszQ1_5MWlZaKYFX8

You need to buy exact display model that ledger is using so it's best to copy exact name and search online and offline in your local shops.

All you need is to use this phrases when you search to buy display:
0.91"128x32 OLED Display, SSD1306Z, P12832-2-B12P091, 12 PINS.

Model that you posted looks very similar but connector may be different.
Following this video instructions I see that he used Display with 12 PINS and there is direct link on Taobao website for that.
Display is probably the same on all websites but cable connections can have different number of pins.

On second video I found a link to Alibaba website selling this same display with 12 pins.
Maybe you can ask sellers in shopee.ph website to tell you if they sell 12 pin version.

[Pmalek]

Following this video instructions I see that he used Display with 12 PINS and there is direct link on Taobao website for that.

The Alibaba link works just fine, but I can't get the Taobao link to work on my end. Does it work for you or are you redirected to the homepage and asked to register or sign in? Maybe they have geographical restrictions or require that you are logged in to view their offer.

[Maus0728]

My mistake, I didn't pay attention to the number of pins and the display color, because I just thought that if the product has the same SSD number or model, it is a perfect duplicate and can work really well on Ledger.

The Alibaba link works just fine, but I can't get the Taobao link to work on my end. Does it work for you or are you redirected to the homepage and asked to register or sign in? Maybe they have geographical restrictions or require that you are logged in to view their offer.

Same goes for me. I tried clicking "Taobao" on the header page and successfully entered their home page; however, when I tried searching the keyword 0.91"128X32 OLED, but the website kept returning to the log in page, which is very different from how other online shops work. I am in Southeast Asia, where China is.

So I guess, my only option is to get in touch to our local shop and ask if the product is available for sale or buy the product from Alibaba and shoulder the shipping fee where the price is double of the product being ordered.