[HELP ON REFUND] WRONGLY SENT $1000 worth of BTC to copper member payment addres

[_BlackStar]

There are two things I want to ask here:
1. Does EZ0010 overpay for copper members?
2. If so, why is the account status not a copper member?

I thinks EZ0010 did not use its main account ^{[copper member]} to return the bitcoin theymos randomly sent to him because theymos said that the final recipient was somewhat anonymous so it is unlikely to get the bitcoin back.

But, luckily EZ0010 got send bitcoin back on record and that made it a bit viral on forum especially in meta based on the amount of merit it received in the last 24 hours. Thanks to his honesty, he has earned 50+ merit, that's probably not worth the $1000 he could spend on a year-end party dinner with his friends. But the important lesson here is that in the dark there must be something of value, even if it doesn't emit light and that is a reflection of the attitude of the EZ0010.

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[DireWolfM14]

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No, owlgames overpaid, but theymos mistakenly sent his refund to EZ0010.  The "Copper Member" badge can be selected to display, or not display.  IIRC the default is to not display it.

[naim027]

I thought there was little chance of getting the BTC back, since the last person who overpaid looked fairly anonymous, and in any case they were probably using an exchange address or something. So this morning I refunded owlgames properly in a second transaction, and I expected to just eat the cost. But surprisingly, the person who got the random $1000 I accidentally sent, EZ0010, returned the BTC ~immediately. Thanks to him!

Got my refund just now! Thanks so much and happy holidays to the good guys here on the forum!

Cheers!

(Feeling sorry for your wrong refund payment as well and wow thanks to EZ0010!

I know how it feel to lose some Bitcoin either by human error or getting scammed as I experienced both and dont want someone to get same feelings.

Happy to see you got your money back. And many thanks to theymos

That was expected that theymos is going to refund owlgames. But, What a drama happened. Even theymos accidentally send that amount to EZ0010, he refunded that immediately.  Wow! Nice man. I guess You are the most amazing Honest newbie I have seen in this forum. We appreciate your honesty. I know some people and I do buy/sell crypto with them and they have a good reputation. I guess, If I send that amount to someone that I trust (from the internet), I guess they would block me from every social media and I could get scammed by them.

But, Here is a different story. Everyone knows that theymos is the most trusted person in this forum. But, EZ0010's honesty was exceptional. There are only a few % of people who exist on the internet with such honesty.

[BITCOIN4X]

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But, What a drama happened.

No, this isn't a drama but theymos and the OP just made a small mistake that really tests someone's integrity in this fairly anonymous space. So you shouldn't take it as a drama I don't agree with.

I guess, If I send that amount to someone that I trust (from the internet), I guess they would block me from every social media and I could get scammed by them.

LOL, if not for being honest and getting to know them, then why would you trust someone from the internet?

[Findingnemo]

We found a golden newbie from the mistake of two persons.

From now on theymos even going be be very cautious while clicking the next time in future more than before.

[Pmalek]

You can pay a one-time fee in order to increase the capabilities of your account. Be warned that:

You can still be banned if you break the rules. You will not get any special treatment.
These memberships are not guaranteed to last forever, or to offer the same benefits forever.
No refunds will be given.
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You can't take just that one sentence out of context. You have to consider the entire paragraph.
 
- No refunds will be given if you break the rules and get banned.
- No refunds will be given if the benefits of the copper membership get changed.
- No refunds will be given if the copper membership gets cancelled at one point in the future and you can no longer take advantage of its features.

But if you send $1000 worth of BTC by mistake, the coins will surely be returned as the post by theymos proves.

I know how it feel to lose some Bitcoin either by human error or getting scammed as I experienced both and dont want someone to get same feelings.

Happy to see you got your money back. And many thanks to theymos

Exemplary behavior. Congratulations on doing the right thing!

[Findingnemo]

But if you send $1000 worth of BTC by mistake, the coins will surely be returned as the post by theymos proves.

We never knows that or atleast its not discussed publicly on forum anywhere but with the help of this thread we found that theymos is actually helping the forum members via PM as well as via threads like this.

BTW merry Christmas to Everyone!

[LoyceV]

There are two things I want to ask here:
1. Does EZ0010 overpay for copper members?
2. If so, why is the account status not a copper member?

Third option: EZ0010 didn't buy Copper Membership, but only paid to have his proxyban lifted. Then he made a mistake and overpaid.

Being honest when nobody is watching you is what makes someone truely honest. Well done EZ0010!

- Always double-check your addresses before sending, even when you've done the exact same type of transaction a million times before.

It happens to the best of us

Stay vigilant
Check, double check and tripple check before sending funds!

[BITCOIN4X]

Maybe this question is a bit off topic, but I think we can learn a lot from this case in the future if it happens to someone else.

IMO, theymos or OP made a transaction that could actually be said to be a legitimate transaction even though the recipient's address was wrong. The OP sent $1000 to the wrong address at a cost of 3.2 sat/byte which took a little while to get at least 1 confirmation (I didn't try to find out about theymos transaction). If the OP sends fund via electrum or another wallet that he has complete control over, can the double spend feature work to cancel the transaction so that the fund can return to the OP if the transaction has not been confirmed?

[The Cryptovator]

there was a note that any larger amount sent to the address will not be refunded.

Some wallets/exchanges don't let you send below a certain amount. If you overpay due to that, then your payment will be accepted, but that small amount will not be refunded. You also won't be refunded if you're banned or change your mind about paying. But accidental overpayments are refunded.

Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate your thought in this case. And thanks for the refund that sent by mistake.

If the OP sends fund via electrum or another wallet that he has complete control over, can the double spend feature work to cancel the transaction so that the fund can return to the OP if the transaction has not been confirmed?

Electrum only allows replacing the transaction by the fee. This means you can't double spend or cancel the transaction. But for that, you should have enabled Replace-By-Fee & edit fee option before making a transaction. The increasing fee will replace the transaction with the same address. You can't change the address from Electrum anyway (I am not sure if it's possible any new version). For double-spending, you may need to input your private key in some other tool or wallet. Then you can replace the address with a new transaction with a new address if the previous transaction hasn't been confirmed.

[Upgrade00]

can the double spend feature work to cancel the transaction so that the fund can return to the OP if the transaction has not been confirmed?

First of all, double spending does not cancel the previous transaction andhthe fund does not return to the original address. If the wallet software allows double spending, the user (let's say, Greg), who mistakenly sent funds to the wrong address, creates a new transaction, with the exact same inputs from the first erroneous one, but this time to a different address (this could be a new address or an old address they had).
What a double spend does is just to out bid the previous transaction and get picked by a miner first. The previous transaction could still get confirmed first, so trying to double spend is not 100% effective.

[Pmalek]

We never knows that or atleast its not discussed publicly on forum anywhere but with the help of this thread we found that theymos is actually helping the forum members via PM as well as via threads like this.

It's not public information because it probably doesn't happen that often. Besides, theymos isn't looking to rob its users of a few hundred or thousand $ worth of Bitcoin when Bitcointalk has millions of $ in its reserves. And yeah, theymos is responsive via PM for forum-related questions or bugs. I assume all the other admins/mods would be as well.

[virasog]

We found a golden newbie from the mistake of two persons.

From now on theymos even going be be very cautious while clicking the next time in future more than before.

This also shows that even the most experienced and old people in bitcoin can do the mistake of sending bitcoin to the wrong address.
We often think that only newbies in bitcoin do this mistake but you can see that even the founder of bitcointalk can do that mistake too.

All is well that ends well.  

[pawanjain]

This is the most happiest thread I have read in this entire month. Two people losing their money and getting it back.
Still couldn't believe theymos actually did that mistake. This makes me realize we should never take crypto payments for granted.
Although I do double check every time, I guess I will have to quadruple check every time I make a payment.

But thanks to EZ0010 and theymos, faith in humanity is restored 

[Hispo]

This is unironically the best Chrismas topic I have seen this year and it does not even try to be it.
Glad to see good honest people in action within this community, Merry Christmas.

[Stalker22]

I am glad to see that everything worked out in the end.
It is really surprising to see a random newbie show such integrity and honesty. Way to go, @EZ0010. Perhaps there is still hope for human civilization. 

[KingsDen]

Congratulations EZ0010

Some acts are worth commending, especially a newbie whose account status is so low that it can be abandoned. Yet, there are some higher ranking members who would not return the BTC even at the expense of getting negatively tagged. Even @Theymos confirmed he was somewhat anonymous.
Now, he has earned positive trust, especially from Theymos. If you are here for business, you have graciously earned the trust.
EZ0010, please don't allow the glaring corrupt world change your personality.
This act reminds me when I lost my mobile phone, I was so bittered because I wasn't prepared to get another and I delayed to perform an important backup. On my way back from the search of my lost phone with a bittered heart, I saw a pulse which contained phone higher than mine. I smiled, powered the phone, the owner called and picked it up later same day. The owner was very grateful and was telling me about other things she would have lost in the phone. I couldn't even tell her my stories 

[Trojane]

...and there it is, someone very special and incurrptible.!
It took a little while for me to figure out the whole scenerio and how it happened; since someone made a typical post making references to how "giving honest replies" could fetch some more merits for anyone instead of spilling the whole forum with shitty post. Well, that's a very good point of consideration but on the contrary, I discovered that wasn't all he did.
Funny enough no one knows how he/she is gonna react to this no matter your evaluation until it happens then you'll discover most peeps that are even positively tagged might turn wolves in sheep clothing mostly for the fact that it was anonymous...
Bitter truth
 I don't have Smerits, I wouldn't hesitate giving you everything even if I had 100 in my custody.You deserve more accolades dude, at least you have a kind heart and you have stirred someone out there unknown to you,kudus!

[Mpamaegbu]

But surprisingly, the person who got the random $1000 I accidentally sent, EZ0010, returned the BTC ~immediately. Thanks to him!

I think we should find out the user's nationality and send his president a thank you card for raising him well 🤔. On a serious note, it goes to show how good intentioned some people are notwithstanding their ranks here.

However, my question would be – How did you get the receiver's address, seeing that he's just a newbie and may not have taken part in any business deal on the forum? The user has just three posts here, though got registered in 2020 (I don't know if they were ever in any campaign). Was this just another chanced miracle happening upon us that the benevolent receiver just happened to be here at the nick of time?

[lovesmayfamilis]

I think we should find out the user's nationality and send his president a thank you card for raising him well 🤔. On a serious note, it goes to show how good intentioned some people are notwithstanding their ranks here.

However, my question would be – How did you get the receiver's address, seeing that he's just a newbie and may not have taken part in any business deal on the forum? The user has just three posts here, though got registered in 2020 (I don't know if they were ever in any campaign). Was this just another chanced miracle happening upon us that the benevolent receiver just happened to be here at the nick of time?

I think this answer will work here:

Third option: EZ0010 didn't buy Copper Membership, but only paid to have his proxyban lifted. Then he made a mistake and overpaid.

But of course, the user really wants to be on the forum, and asks to remove the proxy ban, tell me why should he shoot himself in the foot? For me, this story is quite logical, After all, someone else's money always remains someone else's. Many people present here have a religion, according to the rules of which there are commandments: "do not steal" and "do not deceive."
Let's add that the money goes to the account on Christmas Eve. Of course, not everything is in vain, because by appropriating someone else's today, we boomerang to lose tomorrow and much more. This is the law of life. Also, not for everyone, a thousand dollars is worthy of not sleeping well afterwards, but shuddering, every time stumbling somewhere.
Nevertheless, I applaud the one who returned the money, and I am glad that the world has not yet turned into a distorting mirror as it seems to us from time to time.