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You should move your post to its own thread. It deserves a thread of its own.
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December 23, 2021, 04:37:59 AM |
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Summary: 1. This is my judgment on two applications. The first is one by the defendant ..., for orders (i) to strike out parts of the claimant's Amended Particulars of Claim and (ii) to exclude certain evidence at the trial of the claim, as well as ancillary orders. The second application is one by the claimant ... for an order permitting the claimant to amend the Amended Particulars of Claim and the consequential directions.
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77. In the result, I dismiss the defendant's application to strike out and for an evidence exclusion order, and allow the claimant's application for permission to re-amend the particulars of claim.
The judge effectively ruled for COPA (claimant) and against CSW (defendant) on both issues. The claims that CSW wanted the judge to remove purport to show several instances of CSW either forging or doctoring documents that he had used to support his claim of being Satoshi. While these do not prove that CSW is not Satoshi, they certainly diminish his credibility in the case, and make it more difficult for him to support his claim with what can reasonably considered to be hearsay evidence. The judge did put limits on how the decisions by the judge in the U.S. Kleiman trial can be used in this case. Basically, the U.S. judge's opinion that CSW committed perjury and forged documents cannot be used, but the facts used by the judge to come to those conclusions could be used. |
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December 23, 2021, 11:34:34 AM Merited by malevolent (1) |
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Great find OP and this is certainly going to get very interesting. The Judge has mentioned forgery on several occasions in regards to CSW’s evidence that he is Satoshi The Sartre message- Quote from the Judge “ I have some difficulty in accepting this. If the provided signature was one which was publicly available in the blockchain, rather than one which corresponded to the private key associated with block nine of the Bitcoin blockchain, then it could not have been provided as a proof that the defendant was Satoshi (which was what was put forward) but could only be a forgery of such a signature. Whather it was put forward as a proof of being Satoshi Nakamoto is a matter for trial. So, forgery is in issue.” The BlackNet Abstract - Quote from Judge “ Forgery is again in issue.“ The Kleiman email of 12 March 2008 - Quote from Judge “ Once more, whether that is the true explanation, or whether it is a simple forgery, is a matter for trial.“ “these issues will have to be resolved at trial. In particular, I consider that the claimant, in complying with the relevant pleading rules, is entitled to put these cases forward as cases of forgery, even though the defendant argues that they have innocent explanations.” Innocent explanations ! Damn Lies ! Luckily this judge appears to understand blockchain and how it works. Keep us updated OP when and if this goes to court  |
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December 23, 2021, 11:38:02 AM |
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Yeah definitely keep this updated. I’m desperate to see that POS get what he deserves. It’s about time he was consigned to the history books for what he is, a liar & a fraudster.
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December 23, 2021, 12:12:56 PM |
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-snip- I am not a lawyer or have extensive experience with reading such court documents. Perhaps you (or someone else smarter than me) could let me know if my interpretation here is correct. I'm looking specifically at paragraphs 64, 66, and 67 of the link OP has shared. It seems that COPA want to force CSW to produce proof that he controls the addresses within the Tulip Trust which he has claimed to control, since everyone knows he is full of shit and won't be able to prove any such thing. CSW objected to this on the basis that it would cause him "undue burden", and the judge has thrown out his objection, saying that this is "exactly what must be faced". Does this mean we are finally going to a get a court order to force CSW to sign a message/move some coins, and then rule against him for being a liar and fraud when he can't? |
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December 23, 2021, 12:22:15 PM |
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-snip- I am not a lawyer or have extensive experience with reading such court documents. Perhaps you (or someone else smarter than me) could let me know if my interpretation here is correct. I'm looking specifically at paragraphs 64, 66, and 67 of the link OP has shared. It seems that COPA want to force CSW to produce proof that he controls the addresses within the Tulip Trust which he has claimed to control, since everyone knows he is full of shit and won't be able to prove any such thing. CSW objected to this on the basis that it would cause him "undue burden", and the judge has thrown out his objection, saying that this is "exactly what must be faced". Does this mean we are finally going to a get a court order to force CSW to sign a message/move some coins, and then rule against him for being a liar and fraud when he can't? I’m not a lawyer either but I think what the judge is saying is that - proof he owns the addresses would make his claims to be Satoshi a lot stronger . I don’t think the judge can ‘ force ‘him to sign a message . We could definitely do with some comments on this thread by some members who are legally minded |
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I don’t think the judge can ‘ force ‘him to sign a message . Sure. "Force" is the wrong word, but they can certainly order him to sign a message and then rule against him when he will predictably fail to do so. |
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I don’t think the judge can ‘ force ‘him to sign a message . Sure. "Force" is the wrong word, but they can certainly order him to sign a message and then rule against him when he will predictably fail to do so. Don't forget that when he first claimed to be Satoshi he did "provide cryptographic proof" (which was fake and was pretty fast found out to be fake). The point is... is there a risk the judge could be fooled by such a proof? Because if it's so, we may face a huge fiasco. (You know.. "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worse"...) |
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The point is... is there a risk the judge could be fooled by such a proof? Because if it's so, we may face a huge fiasco. From the document shared by OP, it seems the judge is well aware of CSW's history of lies, fraud, tricks, cover ups, forgeries, and so on, so it seems unlikely this would be the case. I'm also fairly sure COPA would require any proof to be made available to them as well for examination, and would therefore be able to point out where CSW had tried to lie to the court. CSW probably knows all this, though, which is why he tried and failed to file an objection against the requirement for proof. |
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December 23, 2021, 02:50:53 PM Merited by amishmanish (5) |
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If someone asked me what I would like more for a New Year's gift, Faketoshi in prison or a new $100k ATH, I would definitely choose this first - some things are worth more than any money. A few days ago I just wrote that I would like someone to oppose this lying bastard, and this is really great news for the end of the year. I know he won't go to jail (for now), but maybe this is the first step in that direction. We know that Faketoshi will never be able to sign messages from addresses that he claims are his, because someone did it some time ago and without a doubt showed who is lying and who is telling the truth. If you haven't read to the end, as far as I understand we Faketoshi complained because his title of doctor (which for some is controversial) is not included in the final text of the conclusion. Kudos to the judge for refusing to change documents just to make CW a doctor - so not only did he lose this battle, but he was left without a doctorate  In the suggestions for correction sent to me after I circulated my draft judgment, the defendant's team told me that the defendant requested that the title of my judgment be amended so that the defendant's name include his university degree of doctor. They referred me to CPR PD 16, paragraph 2.6(a), which states that the claim form must include "the full name of each party". This is defined to mean, in the case of an individual, "his full unabbreviated name and title by which he is known".
In fact, the claim form sued the defendant using his full names, but not the degree of "doctor". I note that each statement of case from the claimant's side thereafter has omitted any reference to the claimant's university doctorate, whereas each statement of case from the defendant's side has included it. For what it may be worth, however, my view is that paragraph 2.6(a) of PD 16 in referring to "title" means social title, and not any other style, office or rank, such as professional, military or academic.
Be that as it may, the claim was begun against the defendant under his full names, no application has ever been made to the court to alter the intitulement of the action, no argument has taken place on the point, and no authorities have been referred to. The point has been sprung on the court at the last minute. Dr Wright is justly proud of his academic achievement, but I do not think the court should be dealing with this minor dispute at this very late stage and on such an inadequate basis. I mean no disrespect to Dr Wright by not doing so. |
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December 23, 2021, 03:11:09 PM |
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LOL..I love these judges.
He effectively rejected everything that the liar has been doing. I hope Poor Craigie finds out that it is not so easy to bamboozle actual judges than newbies and poor third worlders who make a beeline for him hoping to have some kind of returns on their BSV shit.
@Lucius already pointed out the most fun part of this decision. He literally trolled Poor Craigie by plainly refusing the childish insistence on being addresses as "Dr."...LOL, WTF..
This was a good read and I truly, deeply hope that this manipulative liar gets the kind of treatment that he actually deserves from a court of law. Although it won't make a difference to the crackpot, hopefully the English judge will be more direct and to-the-point in his words to call him a forgerer and a fraud. This seems to be heading that way considering that he made it a point that all of those topics were to be a decision on forgery and not "innocent claims".
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December 23, 2021, 03:29:42 PM |
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Falsifying emails sounds so low, and yet Craig clearly gave it a shot to prove that he is Satoshi. I hope the trial will establish that it was a forgery and, hopefully, Craig will have to take responsibility for this crime. Then again, I kinda thought that he already lost some trials before and was asked to provide half of the money to Kleiman's family, and that's how the whole Tulip Trust fantasy came to be. So, clearly, trials can take a long time, and then there can be new trials if new evidence is put forward, and it's also possible to appeal the decision... So I'm not particularly hopeful about this news, but at least it's something in the right direction.
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December 23, 2021, 03:39:46 PM |
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It seems that COPA want to force CSW to produce proof that he controls the addresses within the Tulip Trust which he has claimed to control, since everyone knows he is full of shit and won't be able to prove any such thing. CSW objected to this on the basis that it would cause him "undue burden", and the judge has thrown out his objection, saying that this is "exactly what must be faced".
Does this mean we are finally going to a get a court order to force CSW to sign a message/move some coins, and then rule against him for being a liar and fraud when he can't?
No, unfortunately, there won't be a court order, the judge allowed this to be considered in the trial, which CSW opposed to but there is no way to force him to prove ownership of those, his inability to produce evidence might get considered but the judge will not rule on it. As he stated, if CSW would be able to counter the claims with actual proof that would be to his advantage but since he has tried to get rid of that it's obvious he can't. One would need a separate case for this. But I do love this: The two additional sentences at the end of paragraph 66 make clear that what is alleged is said to amount to dishonesty. The additional sentence at the end of paragraph 67 makes clear that it is being alleged that the various documents there referred to were "forged or otherwise doctored", and thus an allegation of dishonesty. There are one or two purely formal amendments elsewhere in the particulars of claim, but I do not need to take up time in this judgment with them. Forgery, dishonesty, he's on a good start, too bad this can't send him to prison |
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COPA 1 – 0 Faketoshi Faketoshi cult supporters are now on rollercoaster of emotion from ecstasy when he fooled them all when he had to pay $100 million in his previous Kleinman case (claiming it's victory) and now this. He even asked that judge and everyone call him with a title ''doctor'' and judge refused doing that, just confirming how big crazy ego maniac he is. I think that next trial for him is in January in Norway, and he is going to be nuked there with another gig loss, but he can always proclaim to his followers that he won... Waiting for more reports and statements, it's going to be interesting and fun next few days/weeks this holiday season. |
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December 23, 2021, 09:48:12 PM |
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The claims that CSW wanted the judge to remove purport to show several instances of CSW either forging or doctoring documents that he had used to support his claim of being Satoshi. While these do not prove that CSW is not Satoshi, they certainly diminish his credibility in the case, and make it more difficult for him to support his claim with what can reasonably considered to be hearsay evidence.
Why is this guy fond of forging documents all the time? This is like the second or third time that I’m seeing that he forged a document. There has also been a time when he forged a document and people found out, now he’s doing again. This is going to make people not to believe him any longer. If he was truly the Satoshi Nakamoto, then he wouldn’t be trying to forge anything at all, he would be able to prove himself without stress. The real Satoshi would have proven himself without having to go this far at all, that’s if he wants to. With the things this guy has done so far, there is nothing he can do to convince me that he’s the Satoshi Nakamoto. |
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The claims that CSW wanted the judge to remove purport to show several instances of CSW either forging or doctoring documents that he had used to support his claim of being Satoshi. While these do not prove that CSW is not Satoshi, they certainly diminish his credibility in the case, and make it more difficult for him to support his claim with what can reasonably considered to be hearsay evidence.
Why is this guy fond of forging documents all the time? This is like the second or third time that I’m seeing that he forged a document. There has also been a time when he forged a document and people found out, now he’s doing again. This is going to make people not to believe him any longer. If he was truly the Satoshi Nakamoto, then he wouldn’t be trying to forge anything at all, he would be able to prove himself without stress. The real Satoshi would have proven himself without having to go this far at all, that’s if he wants to. With the things this guy has done so far, there is nothing he can do to convince me that he’s the Satoshi Nakamoto. I don't know if there are individuals who are believing on CSW's claims. Because here in the forum, we know that he is like the laughing stock and we know that he is a fraud. But for others, if he will show this attitude to the public, people will slowly see his egomaniac, fraudulent image. If you are resorting to forging, then, that means, you are trying to deceive people by trying to imitate the original owner. |
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I don't know if there are individuals who are believing on CSW's claims. Because here in the forum, we know that he is like the laughing stock and we know that he is a fraud. But for others, if he will show this attitude to the public, people will slowly see his egomaniac, fraudulent image. If you are resorting to forging, then, that means, you are trying to deceive people by trying to imitate the original owner.
People who believe in Faketoshi could be divided into several groups : - In the first group, I would put those who for some reason do not like Bitcoin, but also want the central figure behind the project.
- In the second group I would put those who do not understand the difference between Bitcoin and any fork, and blindly believe in court decisions in favor of Faketoshi.
- The third group just wants to buy a cheap coin, and everything in the name contains Bitcoin, and it costs a few hundred dollars is a good opportunity for them.
A forum is a specific place where there are members who have experience and knowledge, and their opinion is respected. Therefore, it is quite logical that Faketoshi was exposed in his intentions from the very beginning - but everything outside the forum is a completely different story, everything is full of clickbait articles with content that is often sensational, but mostly full of inaccuracies and speculations. |
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December 24, 2021, 11:02:52 PM |
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Nice update and certainly makes things a bit clearer on what it all means in layman’s terms - Jeez I fell down a proper rabbit hole over the last 24 hrs with this and all the legal jargon But ffs - 2023 ! A lot could happen in the next year or so- including more court cases envovling CSW ! Again keep us updated OP |
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