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December 29, 2021, 10:07:22 PM
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America is probably one of the worst when it comes to social mobility.

Most tech founders do not come from disadvantaged backgrounds, even those who are proclaimed to be self-made.

E.g. Bezos, Gates etc. all had very wealthy families that supported their ventures. Granted, they are very talented, but half the work was done before their generation.

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December 30, 2021, 10:56:56 AM
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On top of that, statistics may not be the right tool. e.g. the average wealth between Elon Musk and I are around 2.5 Billion.

First, that's not how the median wage that is used in poverty rates is calculated, second, I doubt Elon Musk's wealth is 5 billion and yours is zero, you seem a bit confused on what you're trying to point and how. Third, thank you for accidentally admitting the truth, that despite your gloom and doom things are getting in the right direction:

with 2018, a year of expansion

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Also, you are speaking about poverty, not about social mobility.

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having an average job does not get you much farther than the line of poverty.

High five! Grin



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December 30, 2021, 09:25:36 PM
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On top of that, statistics may not be the right tool. e.g. the average wealth between Elon Musk and I are around 2.5 Billion.

First, that's not how the median wage that is used in poverty rates is calculated, second, I doubt Elon Musk's wealth is 5 billion and yours is zero, you seem a bit confused on what you're trying to point and how. Third, thank you for accidentally admitting the truth, that despite your gloom and doom things are getting in the right direction:

with 2018, a year of expansion

Fourth:
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Also, you are speaking about poverty, not about social mobility.

You've started it:

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having an average job does not get you much farther than the line of poverty.

High five! Grin



You seem to be confused about the word "around" - in this context it means approximately. One post may actually speak about two topics without the need of mixing it. Anyway, if you really had something intelligent to say you would not be focusing on such minor details. I guess your next step might be arguing that my English is not perfect or that there are insufficient comas in my text?

Social mobility in Europe is far from great, but I guess that, since my own view is that it should be 100%, I will never be happy about it. Yes, I think that where and from whom someone is born should mean nothing for their future. No inheritance, no born-with privileges and enjoying only that that you earn yourself after a period of public and free education. Since this is impossible in my lifetime, I would at least like to see mobility and meritocracy work instead of being talk about.

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January 01, 2022, 05:30:59 AM
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Most people slave their lives away thinking that they are going to "make it", while in reality it's really out of their reach.

Some people do make it and become convinced that they did it because of their hard work, but in actual fact it was just pure luck.

Even in Europe, I think that social mobility is probably overrated - it's just that the old money is so good at hiding it nowadays.

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