P2P gambling games - survey from creators

[roflbot]

Hi guys. We need your help.

 We are developing a decentralized platform for games between users (P2P).

All games in our universe are tied to decentralization, pools and smart contracts.

Many sites with different games (online casinos, bookmakers) are accused of opacity and hiding their inner workings.
We make sure that all outcomes of events are 100% provable. All actions are recorded in the blockchain.
You make a bet with friends between users, using our ecosystem, organizing a joint pool. At the bookmaker's office, you bet against the casino. We believe the pooling model has many advantages for the player:
Thanks to blockchain technology and smart contracts, everyone can see exactly what is happening. Probably fair, transparently recorded on the blockchain. Easily verified in real time.

What makes us unique compared to centralized platforms or other decentralized platforms is the use of smart contracts.

At the moment, the logic of the contract is ready.

Games like:
Rock, Paper, Scissors
Classic roulette (Those wishing to try their luck place a bet on a general deposit that is raffled among players at the end of a round.)
PVP roulette
WHEEL POOL

NFT games:
Similar to battles
Race

Game predictions combined with NFT

As well as bets

You never deposit or withdraw money to us. When you place a bet or wager, money is transferred directly from your wallet to our smart contract. When the event ends, the funds are returned back to the winner's wallet.

That is the question, we are wondering if the market needs it and if so, what other games could you offer?
Would you take part in the testnet?

We are doing such a decentralized project that would include all possible games between users.
We are still working on the project.
Thanks for the feedback.

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[harizen]

That is the question, we are wondering if the market needs it and if so, what other games could you offer?
Would you take part in the testnet?

It's really necessary to do it on actual and see if people will be able to attract. That's the challenge, how to lure users on your platform. Stage testing from Alpha, Beta, and so on while collecting feedback and thinking of working around the developments.

As for testnet, surely there will be lots of users who might take part*. Just give all the information.

Goodluck!

[roflbot]

Thanks for your feedback.

We think about interactivity.
According to the logic of the contract, we want to release nft games (P2E).

Besides collection, various NFT properties can also bring profit to the game, such as increasing the chances of winning battles.

For instance:
Cursor Race (P2E Games + Prediction Games)

Like the governance token (DAO), decentralization doesn't matter
We are thinking of launching a test network after the holidays.

But what other games would you recommend adding so that people play with each other?

[roflbot]

We did not find any analogs and we are wondering if the market needs it?

We'll be preparing a detailed whitelist soon if you're interested.

But most importantly, we want to understand, would you play such games between users?

[YOSHIE]

There are hundreds of gambling sites that offer decentralized systems, P2P as well as games like the ones you mentioned.

Games like:
Rock, Paper, Scissors
Classic roulette (Those wishing to try their luck place a bet on a general deposit that is raffled among players at the end of a round.)
PVP roulette
WHEEL POOL

Basically the methods and strategies used by the teams and owners of the gambling platforms are ways to attract every user who wants to place bets on every game on your gambling platform.

Bottom line: what you do is all good and bad, depends on the user when making bets, so what system you do, people can judge after you finish all that and after people play on your gambling site.

We can't say it's good and bad such a system, which clearly proves good and bad on the field when betting.

The strategies, methods, systems that you apply to the platforms of your gambling site, it's all your rights as the owner, we only have two methods in mind, glad we signed up and good, not happy we didn't visit it so make every method as beautiful as possible.

[ralle14]

Tbh PVP games are so hard to pull off, I think it's great but at the same time, not everyone has a lot of time on their hands to play all day.

I don't mind playing the games you guys have to offer but the issue is how the players will remain encouraged to play since this is no different than playing another pvp game like poker.

Like the others have mentioned it's better to execute it to really have an idea and see the possible outcome yourself.

[barbara44]

we are wondering if the market needs it and if so, what other games could you offer?

There can be many games but make sure the games are provably fair because otherwise you will be accused of cheating the players. There can be many games and I would love to see a PVP dice game or something that's familiar. I don't think slots can be PVP obviously but if there was a way to make it as such, I would be all for it.

And yes there is a large part of the community who want to gamble on PVP games so the scope is definitely there but it needs to be perfect and engaging games. Rock, Paper, Scissors as you mentioned will be a good start along with Roulette but again I repeat, make sure they are provably fair.

Good luck developing one and I won't mind a DM once you launch!

[davis196]

I wonder why smart contracts still aren't heavily implemented by the gambling industry.There must be a reason for that.
I remember reading articles about smart contract games being really slow and difficult for development.
I'm not an expert in this field,maybe someone more experienced in smart contracts and game development would elaborate a little bit more.
Another problem with P2P games is the lack of players.I know about some small P2P games,where you have to wait for hours for another player to join the game and play against you.Nobody has the patience to wait for that long.
People have short attention span nowadays.It all comes to getting the attention of the player,hook him into the game and keep him entertained for as long as possible.
Games like "rock,paper,scissors" are pretty boring,if you play them more than a few times.
Good luck with your project,OP.

[Wexnident]

I think it can have its own niche market, but it definitely won't boom all of a sudden imo, it'd probably just be any other regular casino, just that it's p2p. And another point is that these types of games require a huge player base to keep it running since players are up against other players. You can probably include a self-automated house AI that is automatically included if there are fewer than the recommended players, but that wouldn't get you far imo.

As for games to be included, a rather simple but still enjoyable game would be preferrable. Rock Paper Scissors, in that sense, is simple, but it ain't enjoyable imo. Gotta find that good mix imo.

[rhomelmabini]

Tbh PVP games are so hard to pull off, I think it's great but at the same time, not everyone has a lot of time on their hands to play all day.

Exactly. I guess lot already has tried it but I haven't found any that are that successful in the long run but this doesn't mean the OP won't try if they can really execute it well.

Regarding the testnet I guess you need to give some kind of bonuses, promotions, and incentives to the testers as it will give them the morale to do it well, just my two cents.

[Oshosondy]

That is the question, we are wondering if the market needs it and if so, what other games could you offer?
Would you take part in the testnet?

What I noticed about physical casinos is that it is more decentralized than online casinos in the sense that people went to casino to compete with one another unlike online casinos that you are competing with the owners of the site. You can include all games like that where people can meet themselves online to play in a decentralized manner in a way the owner of the platform will only be paid some little amount for been operational and making it possible for gamblers to meet themselves online. This can work for other games like dice and many like that just as it is happening in the real world among people that are gambling.

[roflbot]

Tbh PVP games are so hard to pull off, I think it's great but at the same time, not everyone has a lot of time on their hands to play all day.

I don't mind playing the games you guys have to offer but the issue is how the players will remain encouraged to play since this is no different than playing another pvp game like poker.

Like the others have mentioned it's better to execute it to really have an idea and see the possible outcome yourself.

Of course, we will make a system for rewarding players, we will also thank those who will take part in the testnet and even those who take part in the discussion. I am grateful to you. Every opinion is important to us. We try to make p2p and p2e games

we are wondering if the market needs it and if so, what other games could you offer?

There can be many games but make sure the games are provably fair because otherwise you will be accused of cheating the players. There can be many games and I would love to see a PVP dice game or something that's familiar. I don't think slots can be PVP obviously but if there was a way to make it as such, I would be all for it.

And yes there is a large part of the community who want to gamble on PVP games so the scope is definitely there but it needs to be perfect and engaging games. Rock, Paper, Scissors as you mentioned will be a good start along with Roulette but again I repeat, make sure they are provably fair.

Good luck developing one and I won't mind a DM once you launch!

Thanks for your feedback.
We do it on a smart contract.
Everything is provably fair, the site and the system cannot fake anything. All outcomes are set up with a smart contract that can be verified.

[roflbot]

I wonder why smart contracts still aren't heavily implemented by the gambling industry.There must be a reason for that.
I remember reading articles about smart contract games being really slow and difficult for development.
I'm not an expert in this field,maybe someone more experienced in smart contracts and game development would elaborate a little bit more.
Another problem with P2P games is the lack of players.I know about some small P2P games,where you have to wait for hours for another player to join the game and play against you.Nobody has the patience to wait for that long.
People have short attention span nowadays.It all comes to getting the attention of the player,hook him into the game and keep him entertained for as long as possible.
Games like "rock,paper,scissors" are pretty boring,if you play them more than a few times.
Good luck with your project,OP.

Thanks!
Yes, it was difficult to make games on a smart contract, but we have already made the logic of the contract and will be able to test soon.
There are many networks now that can process a contract faster than before.

I love casinos and play often, and I also didn't understand why no one uses a smart contract.
So I decided to do it, only when it comes to completion, I wondered if the market needed it.

Of course, this development, which we are doing, can be used to implement online casinos. Like roulette or everyone's favorite "crazy time", but will the providers of these games agree to reveal to us at least the statistics of rates, how much is wagered on a particular sector?

[paxmao]

Thanks for your feedback.

We think about interactivity.
According to the logic of the contract, we want to release nft games (P2E).

Besides collection, various NFT properties can also bring profit to the game, such as increasing the chances of winning battles.

For instance:
Cursor Race (P2E Games + Prediction Games)

Like the governance token (DAO), decentralization doesn't matter
We are thinking of launching a test network after the holidays.

But what other games would you recommend adding so that people play with each other?

You could go a bit away from traditional ones that people have anyway in managed platforms and will not place you in their radar, as they would be used to a very well thought and proven interface and designer experiences. Perhaps games like Go or Chess could be an option, with an eye out for robots. All along any game you chose, you have to be mindful that there are bots out there so you may have to restrict yourselves to games that IA have not yet cracked or have rules that ensure humans are playing. If not there may be an strategic caveat on the idea and eventually will be time wasted.

Another key is to make sure that all are provably fair.

[roflbot]

Thanks for your feedback.

We think about interactivity.
According to the logic of the contract, we want to release nft games (P2E).

Besides collection, various NFT properties can also bring profit to the game, such as increasing the chances of winning battles.

For instance:
Cursor Race (P2E Games + Prediction Games)

Like the governance token (DAO), decentralization doesn't matter
We are thinking of launching a test network after the holidays.

But what other games would you recommend adding so that people play with each other?

You could go a bit away from traditional ones that people have anyway in managed platforms and will not place you in their radar, as they would be used to a very well thought and proven interface and designer experiences. Perhaps games like Go or Chess could be an option, with an eye out for robots. All along any game you chose, you have to be mindful that there are bots out there so you may have to restrict yourselves to games that IA have not yet cracked or have rules that ensure humans are playing. If not there may be an strategic caveat on the idea and eventually will be time wasted.

Another key is to make sure that all are provably fair.

Thanks!
To be fair, we use a smart contract.
To play, you only need a metamask.

Chess or checkers, very good idea.

[michellee]

The market will always need something new that will be different from others. If you can give that thing to people and make them curious about your site, I am sure they will come to test and see what the game is and how to play it. The market will always change because many new people come to the gambling business for so many purposes and want to make money from gambling. So if you can give different things such as interface, the games, the things that are new and not available in another place, your site will have a chance to grow.

[Fatunad]

The market will always need something new that will be different from others. If you can give that thing to people and make them curious about your site, I am sure they will come to test and see what the game is and how to play it. The market will always change because many new people come to the gambling business for so many purposes and want to make money from gambling. So if you can give different things such as interface, the games, the things that are new and not available in another place, your site will have a chance to grow.

But this one is the most challenging thing of all if someone do tend to make some business here on gambling space on which owners would really be thinking off new things and ideas which doesnt exist on this market
yet because we know that once people do find out for it to be interesting then there would really be a chance for it to be recognized and would really be having the chance to grow same as you said.
P2P is somewhat not really that appealing basing off with current condition but depending if this one will really be entirely different but based up on experience and awareness
then this is something that would be hard.

[roflbot]

The market will always need something new that will be different from others. If you can give that thing to people and make them curious about your site, I am sure they will come to test and see what the game is and how to play it. The market will always change because many new people come to the gambling business for so many purposes and want to make money from gambling. So if you can give different things such as interface, the games, the things that are new and not available in another place, your site will have a chance to grow.

But this one is the most challenging thing of all if someone do tend to make some business here on gambling space on which owners would really be thinking off new things and ideas which doesnt exist on this market
yet because we know that once people do find out for it to be interesting then there would really be a chance for it to be recognized and would really be having the chance to grow same as you said.
P2P is somewhat not really that appealing basing off with current condition but depending if this one will really be entirely different but based up on experience and awareness
then this is something that would be hard.

We will try to make a cool platform for gamers with your help to improve it!

[timerland]

I think that the P2P idea has always been interesting.

However, there is just not enough liquidity in most p2p gambling platforms for it to be worthwhile for whales and regulars to play on.

Imagine waiting days to get matched with someone who can take on the other side of your bet, for instance. If you can solve this problem, you will attract a lot of users for sure.

[Kyraishi]

It's certainly a great idea.

But the execution of the p2p system is going to be quite hard to get right. You are going to deal with significant fees and frictions whenever it comes to decentralized applications and it's not going to be easy to convince someone who has no experience with Web3.0 to adopt this technology.

I would suggest having a centralized platform as well as a decentralized one for greater exposure and success.

[alegotardo]

That is the question, we are wondering if the market needs it and if so, what other games could you offer?
Would you take part in the testnet?

We are doing such a decentralized project that would include all possible games between users.
We are still working on the project.
Thanks for the feedback.

The idea is wonderful.
In a cryptographic world that is increasingly moving towards decentralization, the use of smart contracts is something that definitely needs to take over the world, and gambling offers an excellent opportunity for that.
What I hope is that the creators have the expertise to make the platform fluid without too much complication or slowdown for users.

I look forward to the test period.

[Trojane]

It's somewhat hard to believe even when I understand the possible to make it work out but I still can't trust funds that ain't handled in a centralized web anyways.. the P2P idea is fantastic and also has a bad effects because very systematic gamblers might not wanna be a part of these except maybe your options are totally different and could automatically link someone to you on your concurrent bets, apart from this, it's really gonna be hard !

[michellee]

The market will always need something new that will be different from others. If you can give that thing to people and make them curious about your site, I am sure they will come to test and see what the game is and how to play it. The market will always change because many new people come to the gambling business for so many purposes and want to make money from gambling. So if you can give different things such as interface, the games, the things that are new and not available in another place, your site will have a chance to grow.

But this one is the most challenging thing of all if someone do tend to make some business here on gambling space on which owners would really be thinking off new things and ideas which doesnt exist on this market
yet because we know that once people do find out for it to be interesting then there would really be a chance for it to be recognized and would really be having the chance to grow same as you said.
P2P is somewhat not really that appealing basing off with current condition but depending if this one will really be entirely different but based up on experience and awareness
then this is something that would be hard.

If @OP can give another experience playing P2P and different from what they have right now, I am sure that will interest them and curiosity. When their curiosity becomes bigger, they will surely come back more and more because they will want to explore many things inside the site. Yes, it is a challenge for every business owner to improve their site to be better than before to achieve their goals. Those business owners do not just follow the trend but can create new things that can become the next trend. When they can do that, the way to become the top reputable gambling site will be wide open.

We will try to make a cool platform for gamers with your help to improve it!

We are here to help you to improve your site. I am curious what it looks like of your site. I smell that your name site can use the name of "roflbot"

We are waiting for the next update from you.

[agustina2]

Chess or checkers, very good idea.

I think you should exclude this game. Even the game is provably fair, we don't know who's behind that game. There's always a question about the legitimacy of a real human in that kind of game.  Maybe try to create an adventure mode as I doubt many will be attracted to P2P.

But as others said, you should start the platform now to see the real people's feedback about the game. All issues will just be known once you made your game live.

[roflbot]

That is the question, we are wondering if the market needs it and if so, what other games could you offer?
Would you take part in the testnet?

We are doing such a decentralized project that would include all possible games between users.
We are still working on the project.
Thanks for the feedback.

The idea is wonderful.
In a cryptographic world that is increasingly moving towards decentralization, the use of smart contracts is something that definitely needs to take over the world, and gambling offers an excellent opportunity for that.
What I hope is that the creators have the expertise to make the platform fluid without too much complication or slowdown for users.

I look forward to the test period.

We have a real good team. So we're trying to do the best UI/UX, low taxes & high performance. To prevent all these risks, we make beta testing and collect all feedbacks. Thanks to all of us for your attention to our project!

[magneto]

I personally think that you should deploy it on a low-gas blockchain.

But overall, i think that gambling is always going to be one of the things that will benefit from decentralization just because of the importance of having fair rolls and making sure that casinos can pay out any wins.

If you can do it well, there is a lot of potential. But most protocols go to zero because they focus too much on development and not enough on marketing.

[passwordnow]

That looks unique. But every time you transfer back the fund from your smart contract to the players or winners, that would be consuming a lot of fees. And the concern about liquidity, he's right.

However, there is just not enough liquidity in most p2p gambling platforms for it to be worthwhile for whales and regulars to play on.

There have been attempts I think to have this type of setting but IIRC, no one of them became successful. People are still into the casual casinos that have the common games.

[Smartprofit]

Hi guys. We need your help.

 We are developing a decentralized platform for games between users (P2P).

All games in our universe are tied to decentralization, pools and smart contracts.

Many sites with different games (online casinos, bookmakers) are accused of opacity and hiding their inner workings.
We make sure that all outcomes of events are 100% provable. All actions are recorded in the blockchain.
You make a bet with friends between users, using our ecosystem, organizing a joint pool. At the bookmaker's office, you bet against the casino. We believe the pooling model has many advantages for the player:
Thanks to blockchain technology and smart contracts, everyone can see exactly what is happening. Probably fair, transparently recorded on the blockchain. Easily verified in real time.

What makes us unique compared to centralized platforms or other decentralized platforms is the use of smart contracts.

At the moment, the logic of the contract is ready.

Games like:
Rock, Paper, Scissors
Classic roulette (Those wishing to try their luck place a bet on a general deposit that is raffled among players at the end of a round.)
PVP roulette
WHEEL POOL

NFT games:
Similar to battles
Race

Game predictions combined with NFT

As well as bets

You never deposit or withdraw money to us. When you place a bet or wager, money is transferred directly from your wallet to our smart contract. When the event ends, the funds are returned back to the winner's wallet.

That is the question, we are wondering if the market needs it and if so, what other games could you offer?
Would you take part in the testnet?

We are doing such a decentralized project that would include all possible games between users.
We are still working on the project.
Thanks for the feedback.

Yes, in my opinion, your project is very interesting.  Such a project can be successful in the gambling market. 

What games can I suggest for implementation? 

Sea battle. 

The player places his fleet on a checkered field (10 × 10).  The battleship (in the game he is alone) occupies 4 cells.  Cruiser (there are two of them in the game) - 3 cells.  The destroyer (there are 3 of them) occupies 2 cells.  Missile boat (4 in total) - one cell.  You do not see exactly where your enemy has positioned their ships.  For 1 turn, you can make only one shot (select the coordinates of a specific cell).  You can miss and your shot will hit the ocean. 

You can partially destroy the enemy's warship.  Or destroy it completely.  The goal of the game is to destroy the enemy's fleet

[cafucafucafu]

You never deposit or withdraw money to us. When you place a bet or wager, money is transferred directly from your wallet to our smart contract. When the event ends, the funds are returned back to the winner's wallet.

That is the question, we are wondering if the market needs it and if so, what other games could you offer?
Would you take part in the testnet?

I do think that the market needs a project like this to ensure fairness and make sure that there will actually never be KYC.

But, I think that it's just a lot of hassle and a huge learning curve for most people.

If you can make it so that the whole process is super easy on the user, then sure, go ahead. But for most casinos there is a tradeoff between user experience and the degree of decentralization - just like normal cryptos.

[timerland]

That looks unique. But every time you transfer back the fund from your smart contract to the players or winners, that would be consuming a lot of fees. And the concern about liquidity, he's right.

However, there is just not enough liquidity in most p2p gambling platforms for it to be worthwhile for whales and regulars to play on.

There have been attempts I think to have this type of setting but IIRC, no one of them became successful. People are still into the casual casinos that have the common games.

Exactly.

Most people are just content with playing on a centralized platform with the common games like Dice, Blackjack etc.

With the infrastructure right now that we have, smart contracts are incredibly costly and slow to execute and it'll make the gaming experience absolutely atrocious for everyone involved. Unless you run it on some proprietary chain without many transactions (but that's going to arguably be costlier to develop).

[ipanks]

We have a real good team. So we're trying to do the best UI/UX, low taxes & high performance. To prevent all these risks, we make beta testing and collect all feedbacks. Thanks to all of us for your attention to our project!

It is good if you already have beta testers from people out there, so they can see what needs to be added or removed from the site before the site launches. Hopefully, you can grow the site and will have time to make it bigger and can be one of the recommended gambling sites here. It needs time to get that but I am sure you with your team will do many things to make it happen and with hard work, that will be just a matter of time.

[madnessteat]

This is a good initiative that will help to arrange fair games. In my opinion, technology has been ready for a long time so that we can gamble on fully verifiable smart contracts. If you launch such a platform, many gamblers will be happy. I wish you good luck in implementing a P2P gambling platform.

[AicecreaME]

That is the question, we are wondering if the market needs it and if so, what other games could you offer?
Would you take part in the testnet?

It's really necessary to do it on actual and see if people will be able to attract. That's the challenge, how to lure users on your platform. Stage testing from Alpha, Beta, and so on while collecting feedback and thinking of working around the developments.

As for testnet, surely there will be lots of users who might take part*. Just give all the information.

Goodluck!

You're absolutely right. It's really required to test it and then check if it will entice people on playing it or they would rather have a different theme and environment because we have different tastes. So it's really better if you will test the waters first before diving into it completely. I think one of the things you could do to get people to be interested in your crafts and platform is to advertise, do testings to let them play for free at first, and give free bonuses. These things should be aligned in your roadmap though so that you could give the players the assurance that they need.

If you are worried about the tests stage of your game, I'm sure that there will be many players who would be glad to participate because after all, the timing in entering the NFTs is of importance. Just make sure that you won't abandon them because there are some developers that just suddenly vanish on thin air the moment their game skyrockets or dumps.

[dustboy]

This is a good initiative that will help to arrange fair games. In my opinion, technology has been ready for a long time so that we can gamble on fully verifiable smart contracts. If you launch such a platform, many gamblers will be happy. I wish you good luck in implementing a P2P gambling platform.

Honestly p2p or pvp gambling platform is not really popular here. A simple example is pvp poker which is a famous pvp poker in this world and played by many people every day in online casino, but the opposite situation is happening in this crypto casino industry. There are many other example of failed p2p/pvp gambling platforms, OP should learn and do more researches on why those platform failed to survive.