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January 19, 2022, 06:10:36 AM
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Cloudbet did reach out to me in a PM, which is what brought me here. That message is as follows:

It's a bit late, it's almost 2 months since the report, still, a good step forward.
It looks like this will get to a happy end, after all. Please keep us posted.

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January 19, 2022, 08:03:42 AM
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The phrase "one of my accounts" should be interpreted as an account opened at Cloudbet. I can not say if I have opened an account at Cloudbet before the day in question prior to 2018. I began keeping better records and can say that I have not opened an account since March of 2018.
An account opened at Cloudbet does not eliminate the possibility that there was another account in the past that you forgot about. Like you said, you only started keeping proper records in 2018. Based on Cloudbet's reply, they did suspect that it was a matter of multi-accounting. And those things can happen if you are using VPNs.

In the end, it looks like this will end on a positive note. Nothing has been proven and the bookie has decided to settle the matter.

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January 20, 2022, 01:36:30 PM
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The phrase "one of my accounts" should be interpreted as an account opened at Cloudbet. I can not say if I have opened an account at Cloudbet before the day in question prior to 2018. I began keeping better records and can say that I have not opened an account since March of 2018.
An account opened at Cloudbet does not eliminate the possibility that there was another account in the past that you forgot about. Like you said, you only started keeping proper records in 2018. Based on Cloudbet's reply, they did suspect that it was a matter of multi-accounting. And those things can happen if you are using VPNs.

In the end, it looks like this will end on a positive note. Nothing has been proven and the bookie has decided to settle the matter.

I do not dispute the possibility of another account, but I sincerely do not know if I ever made one prior to the account in question. I can't go in to much detail about my tooling much like I suspect Cloudbet won't want to go in to much detail about how their risk detection system works, but I can say that with high confidence, regardless of how much telemetry Cloudbet collects, the machine and individual Cloudbet saw that day were brand new. It's very likely that the only thing that triggered the KYC request was the use of the VPN. We're getting a bit off topic here, but if that's wrong and Cloudbet did not see that visit as unique, I would happily take that data in lieu of the 0.005 BTC refund mentioned upthread. To be clear, that's not a challenge or taunt, I truly am interested and would love the opportunity to improve my methods. Cloudbet, please PM me if you want to pass that info along instead of the refund.


Cloudbet has processed a refund as discussed upthread. I've withdrawn my flag and revised feedback as agreed.
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January 20, 2022, 02:00:43 PM
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Cloudbet has processed a refund as discussed upthread

I've also withdrawn my support for the flag, so that one no longer has sufficient support.
At least logfiles may need to check his/her DT1 feedback, since it's related to this topic.

OP, please make more visible the update about the payment  Wink
You can use [ hr ] for spacing/separation too.

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January 20, 2022, 03:38:44 PM
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OP, please make more visible the update about the payment  Wink
You can use [ hr ] for spacing/separation too.

I've modified the first post in this thread to make the update more prominent.
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January 20, 2022, 04:00:32 PM
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~snip~
Cloudbet has processed a refund as discussed upthread. I've withdrawn my flag and revised feedback as agreed.
Maybe you should change the title by adding the word ‘resolved’. Finally I'm happy to see that your issue has been resolved. But it was very bad that Cloudbet team took a long time to give their response. They took the action here after the messages of forum members. Cloudbet deserve a neutral feedback for their late response. I hope logfiles will leave a neutral feedback by removing the negative one (by including the reason ‘late response’).

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January 21, 2022, 11:56:28 PM
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I am going to remove my support for the flag and also remove the negative feedback since they resolved the issue based on what OP said here

Resolution: Cloudbet refunded the deposit minus fees with transaction 96da2489f9cc4d8a5d1c5c76031c58489af11422e541368bfcbe337545c7a377 on 20 January 2022. Note that they subtracted 0.000077 BTC for transaction fees and paid 0.00000286 BTC, keeping 0.00007414 BTC.

I have no intention of damaging the reputation of cloud bet especially after years of hard work even though their support seems slow in resolving issues these days.

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January 22, 2022, 08:29:06 PM
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I'm also glad to see that the matter has been settled to both parties' satisfaction. @cwil, as already mentioned, I think it would be fair to add "resolved" to this topic's title to give this issue a proper resolution.

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