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January 17, 2022, 01:35:42 PM
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As you probably know, Congress has announced a hearing about Bitcoin energy use.


The official announcement from the House Committee on Energy & Commerce and link to the live stream.

HEARING ON "CLEANING UP CRYPTOCURRENCY: THE ENERGY IMPACTS OF BLOCKCHAINS"

A couple of articles:

Congress Announces Hearing On Bitcoin’s Energy Use

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The move was prompted by a letter sent to the House in October by a cohort of national and international climate organizations that argued against the energy usage of Bitcoin and its Proof of Work (PoW) system.

“We, the more than 70 climate, economic, racial justice, business and local organizations, write to you today to urge Congress to take steps to mitigate the considerable contribution portions of the cryptocurrency markets are making to climate change and the resulting greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, environmental, and climate justice impacts it will have,” the letter read.

A rebuttal to the letter was published this week by the Bitcoin Policy Institute (BPI), an interdisciplinary cohort of economists, coders, lawyers, climate scientists, philosophers, and policy analysts providing research, fact-checking, and commentary on Bitcoin.

This is the link for the letter from the Climate organisations.

Here instead the letter from the Bitcoin Policy Institute (BPI)

Fact-checking Climate Organizations’ Crypto Letter


Congress is preparing an oversight hearing on Bitcoin mining's environmental impact: sources

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The Oversight and Investigations subcommittee of the House Energy and Commerce Committee is apparently working on a roster of witnesses to account for the energy use of proof-of-work crypto validation, especially the Bitcoin network.


LIVESTREAM LINK


As you know, I have been quite vocal about the myth of “energy waste “ due to bitcoin.
See this thread, for example:

Debunking the "Bitcoin is an environmental disaster" argument

I think that, now that the US is going to be a major player in the mining industry, this hearing might be of utter importance to understand if and how regulators are going to impact mining operations in the US.

We will use this post to collect information, ideas, and results about this hearing.

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Bitcoin mining is green and sustainable enough according to Bitcoin Mining Council Q3 2021 report. It is more better than many other industries.

The Q4 2021 report will be released very soon and there is a link to a Youtube video on 19 Jan 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZP3aXUnEoo

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January 17, 2022, 01:57:01 PM
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Bitcoin mining is green and sustainable enough according to Bitcoin Mining Council Q3 2021 report. It is more better than many other industries.

The Q4 2021 report will be released very soon and there is a link to a Youtube video on 19 Jan 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZP3aXUnEoo

End the Fud about Energy against Bitcoin

Actually I am trying to understand how much the Bitcoin Mining Council is involved in this hearing.
I guess they will back any initiative from the BIP, but just wondering if they will live the lobbying job to this other group or they will take over and propose the self in the first line.

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The move was prompted by a letter sent to the House in October by a cohort of national and international climate organizations that argued against the energy usage of Bitcoin and its Proof of Work (PoW) system.

“We, the more than 70 climate, economic, racial justice, business and local organizations, write to you today to urge Congress to take steps to mitigate the considerable contribution portions of the cryptocurrency markets are making to climate change and the resulting greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, environmental, and climate justice impacts it will have,” the letter read.

Despite all the dangerous industries that have been producing incredible pollution and destroying the environment for more than 70 years, all these fake experts and hypocrites choose Bitcoin as the main reason for their fight against greenhouse gases. I find it hard to believe that all these hypocrites are so stupid that they can’t understand the most basic math, so I would conclude that they are mercenaries of the banking system and servants of various anti-Bitcoin coalitions operating worldwide.



I think that, now that the US is going to be a major player in the mining industry, this hearing might be of an utter importance to understand if and how regulators are going to impact mining operations in the US.

I hoped that after China, the whole system would become more decentralized, and the opposite happened. I hope that after all, some strange decisions and laws will not follow, because from some other cases it is evident that US politicians generally have no idea about such things.

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I hoped that after China, the whole system would become more decentralized, and the opposite happened. I hope that after all, some strange decisions and laws will not follow, because from some other cases it is evident that US politicians generally have no idea about such things.

I don’t think the system is more centralised now than before the China Ban, as the China has power hasn’t moved to a new destination altogether, but splitted over multiple destinations, even if some of them could be short lived (Kazakistan).
Concentration in mining might be a problem on other level of the supply chain (ASIC foundries, mainly).

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January 17, 2022, 02:28:29 PM
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Thank you for posting this. I wouldn't know that there would be this kind of hearing if it wasn't for you, OP. I had already set a reminder so I could watch it.

Anyway, we all know all the posts that could help the case on this, and I hope that this way, this is going to be helpful towards proving BTC is better everywhere.

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Despite all the dangerous industries that have been producing incredible pollution and destroying the environment for more than 70 years, all these fake experts and hypocrites choose Bitcoin as the main reason for their fight against greenhouse gases. I find it hard to believe that all these hypocrites are so stupid that they can’t understand the most basic math, so I would conclude that they are mercenaries of the banking system and servants of various anti-Bitcoin coalitions operating worldwide.

I'm curious whether the hearing will clear up anything or will make the things even worse (because, meh, politics...)
And I would not go so far to say they're "mercenaries of the banking system", at least not all of them. They're more probably manipulated than paid...

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sounds like they have already set the agenda (cleaning up crypto) and set the narative as to why (energy impact), before even discussing if its even an impact or a problem or something needing to be handled.

if the hearing was more like:
"blockchains energy use, good or bad" then it would be more unbias. but i think they are looking more so into actualy cracking down on mining.

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for me i see it as this. mining farms dont use the allotted 'residential' capacity of the national grid. they instead purchase from the industrial or excess capacity.
the excess capacity usually goes unused/unpaid, meaning a loss for energy companies. but by having asic farm using it and paying it increases the energy companies profits and thus gives them more money to upgrade and expand capacity..

also most asic farms set up in regions that use renewables. so the "climate" argument is near moot in most cases

but hey, by the title of the hearing it already seems bias toward the negative

lets just hope they use this hearing to incentivise asic farms in fossil fuelled regions to move to renewable regions. or incentivise fossil fuel region power plants to convert to renewable... instead of ban asic farms as a whole.

after all the climate 'solution' is not to tell everyone to stop using electric.. but instead to get the electricity producers to change how its produced

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I don’t think the system is more centralised now than before the China Ban, as the China has power hasn’t moved to a new destination altogether, but splitted over multiple destinations, even if some of them could be short lived (Kazakistan).
Concentration in mining might be a problem on other level of the supply chain (ASIC foundries, mainly).

According to what can be read (although such data are very dubious), after China dropped out of crypto mining, the US increased its global hash rate to over 35%, an increase of more than 100% over the previous period. Consequently, all these anti-pollution fighters have now even managed to reach the US Congress, which they will certainly use to try to impose their agendas. A year earlier, something like this would not have been possible, because US miners allegedly had only a 15-16% stake in hash power, now they have more than 1/3 and will certainly not stop there.

During the crackdown, 26 major Bitcoin mining hubs were forced to shutter in Sichuan, and during one week in June more than 70% of the total mining capacity in China went offline, industry analysts estimate.
Following the ban, the U.S., Kazakhstan, and Russia took China’s place. The U.S.’s global hashrate share reached around 35.4%, up from 16.8% before the China crackdown.



I'm curious whether the hearing will clear up anything or will make the things even worse (because, meh, politics...)
And I would not go so far to say they're "mercenaries of the banking system", at least not all of them. They're more probably manipulated than paid...

All of them should be sent to school to learn the basics of mathematics and statistics, because if in the past we concluded that according to all relevant research Bitcoin annually consumes about 0.2% of the world's electricity, and more than 50% is from renewable sources. I still think that money is the main motivator, although there are certainly weirdos among them who believe that the earth is flat, that Martians have bases in wheat fields and that Bitcoin is the work of Satan Wink

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All of them should be sent to school to learn the basics of mathematics and statistics, because if in the past we concluded that according to all relevant research Bitcoin annually consumes about 0.2% of the world's electricity, and more than 50% is from renewable sources. I still think that money is the main motivator, although there are certainly weirdos among them who believe that the earth is flat, that Martians have bases in wheat fields and that Bitcoin is the work of Satan Wink

Politicians won't send them to school, since uneducated people is easier to manipulate every 4 years...
And as long as garlic, holy water and such are still getting on TV as remedies for viral infections in the XXI-th century, I have a feeling that our expectations vs "the world" are, unfortunately, a bit high.

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And as long as garlic, holy water and such are still getting on TV as remedies for viral infections in the XXI-th century, I have a feeling that our expectations vs "the world" are, unfortunately, a bit high.

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The hearing is entitled, "Cleaning Up Cryptocurrency: The Energy Impacts of Blockchains."
The title of the hearing does not show it is an investigation or fact finding mission. "Cleaning Up Cryptocurrency" shows that cryptocurrency has being judged before the judgement. Anyways, let us keep the hope alive.
Who or which counsels are representing bitcoin? Who will intercede for bitcoin?

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This hearing is going to be a farce. Just a bunch of politicians and environmentalists who don't understand how Bitcoin mining works. They cherry pick easy statistics to make mining seem bad when mining is actually a strong net positive for the environment (promotes the energy sector, promotes green energy production, already heavily uses green energy, etc).


The best thing that could come out of this hearing is if politicians actually listen to the people who understand Bitcoin instead of the ones who don't know undestand Bitcoin, though I put that as a low possibility as the politicians who already think it is bad are likely to think the Bitcoiners are just trying to defend their thing.

The best side effect I could see from this hearing is just convincing more US miners to focus even more on mining from renewable energy just to throw that back in bitcoin opponents faces when politicians and others say that it destroys the environment.

But the whole reason this hearing is happening is a farce so I don't expect it to be a reasoned and educated debate.
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The argument that Bitcoin has a bad impact on the environment boils down to the mainstream media continuing to try to stop mining operations. It is no longer strange for us to dismiss things that emerge from the news that they try to distort the facts.

If we talk about the impact of the mining industry, we compare it with executives who continue to oversee the mining of gold, oil, natural gas, coal, nickel, iron ore, tin, silver, and copper. Simply put, we can see from changes in environmental conditions such as soil, air, and water. Isn't that all damaging and detrimental to human, animal, and plant life?

Then what is the most dangerous impact of Bitcoin mining?
Waste of electricity? Don't be afraid to run out of your wits, as El Salvador is mining Bitcoin using volcanic energy.


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The hearing took place, and apparently it wasn’t as hot as expected.

No fireworks at House's Bitcoin mining hearing, but pending climate bills could home in on crypto

The tone were much more downbeat than anticipated.

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  • Continuing earlier trends, Congress’ hearing on Bitcoin mining was fairly moderate.
  • While there seemed to be no political momentum behind a proper crackdown, pending climate legislation may well seek to address mining.

I think the focus was more about a “challenge” of the Chinese reaction of the same issue. And evaluate all the possibilities with an eye to the possible geopolitical implications:

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Bitcoin's energy use is an especially pressing topic as the US has become the top source of Bitcoin's hash rate in the world over the past year, since a widely reported clampdown on mining in China. That crackdown also cited energy use, but China has, in the same time period, taken drastic steps against its domestic tech industry, especially local pay platforms.

"The Chinese are more concerned about control than about energy consumption," Morgan Griffith (R-VA), the leading Republican on the oversight subcommittee, told The Block. "They haven't hesitated to build new coal power plants to take care of whatever other industries they want. From our viewpoint, I think we have to try to find ways that we can maximize the potential of cryptocurrency and at the same time minimize the energy consumption."

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As The Block anticipated earlier this week, despite a fairly strident hearing memorandum, the witnesses in attendance were fairly positive towards the role of PoW mining. The only one who truly seemed to support the idea of abandoning it was Cornell Tech’s Ari Juels, who began his testimony by declaring: "Bitcoin does not equal blockchain."

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I watched the entire hearing and it was surprisingly positive toward mining and cryptocurrencies. There were no environmentalists testifying and very little discussion on environmental impact, and minimal discussion on any negative impact of energy usage.

I suspect that there will be other hearings in which the environmentalists will get their chance to speak.

The representative from Virginia even asked the Bitfury speaker to talk to him later about building mining operations in Virginia.

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I watched the entire hearing and it was surprisingly positive toward mining and cryptocurrencies. There were no environmentalists testifying and very little discussion on environmental impact, and minimal discussion on any negative impact of energy usage.

I suspect that there will be other hearings in which the environmentalists will get their chance to speak.

The representative from Virginia even asked the Bitfury speaker to talk to him later about building mining operations in Virginia.
Definitely, because there is nothing there to discuss as all of the data points to other sectors having a more negative impact on the environment than Bitcoin and all these hypocrites ain't saying anything against those. It is clear that this is just some conspiracy against the cryptocurrency industry and they want a takedown by any means necessary.
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The hearing took place, and apparently it wasn’t as hot as expected.

It is a pity that all these hypocrites did not show up to get entangled in their lies - and if they need legal help, they should turn to the Swedish government, which has been trying for months to persuade other EU members to ban crypto mining.

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US politicians are not going to easily ban something that creates economic opportunities and brings taxes, especially when arguments for banning are so weak. So I'm not surprised that this hearing was positive, after all the hearing about Facebook's Libra also turned positive for Bitcoin.

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having watched the 2 hour video. many things were stated wrong, many seemed positive.
i didnt feel that it was a war against crypto. but more of an intro to further discussions.

i found things funny that they worry about 'grid operators' able to meet the demand of crypto..
yet the ~38TWH worldwide(better guess) is nothing in comparison to other industries.

EG if people travel on average 20miles a day for work/leisure. an electric car scenario of all 290million cars being EV in a decade, would need over 1000TWH a year just for the US
 
if governments think 38twh WORLDWIDE (14TWH US) is a problem now.. yes US only 14twh.. . then they have a real problem in the electric car plan for 2030 which would need over 1000twh

14 vs 1000. i think they need to concentrate more on regulating and making the EV industry more efficient

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