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December 04, 2021, 02:01:25 PM
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You have this guy (new user): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2731814
Posting about how he is selling a way to hack private keys: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374946

And then you have this guy (another new user): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3404717
Asking about it in a self mode thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375372
And saying that it works in the sellers thread.

Seems to me that it's all one person selling a scam script and then promoting it.
Anyone else have a different view?

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December 04, 2021, 03:04:10 PM
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Seems to me that it's all one person selling a scam script and then promoting it.
Anyone else have a different view?
I have the same view with you, the patterns of the replies and to an extent the writing style (not ending their posts with a full stop) makes me think they're the same person. But that's all an assumption and cannot be proven, at least not with the facts available. And might not even matter much if proven, besides another reason for a negative trust of course.

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December 04, 2021, 10:15:29 PM
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Posting about how he is selling a way to hack private keys: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374946
The amazing thing is there are probably still people who fall for that. It's like selling the goose with the golden eggs.

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December 05, 2021, 03:41:21 PM
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Seems to me that it's all one person selling a scam script and then promoting it.
Anyone else have a different view?
No, I think you are right.

I think these people are very likely to be the same as interiawp who was selling a script that is claimed to be able to crack private keys based on a large number of signatures.

interiawp would initially go back and forth with COBRAS, who would both clearly intentionally make similar spelling errors. There have been a number of additional people who have opened threads in the dev and tech sub that are in some way talking about the script in question.

I was initially intrigued by what he was proposing. However, upon scrutiny of his claims, he is not selling anything worth more than the paper it is written on.

There are only a small number of people who might be doing this. One of them is . I wont say who else this person might be.
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December 06, 2021, 04:45:55 PM
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I hadn't seen this thread until now, but I also came to the same conclusion.

Selling 'key cracking' tools to idiots is a common scam, I'm not sure if this one is the same as prior parties who have pulled it-- but it's more sophisticated at least in the sense that the scammer implemented a fairly mathematically complex (but actually useless) attack and then was deceptively promoting it and using sock accounts to make it sound useful.  To me this sounds like someone with a bit of genuine expertise looking to monetize their tinkering and who has rationalized defrauding people because the victims are would-be thieves. ... some of the prior accounts that were doing this didn't seem that capable, but it may be that they spent some time learning.

In addition to the ones mentioned by PrimeNumber7, off the topic of my head other accounts that have engaged in this kind of thing are Evil-Knievel and rico666. ... but there have been a bunch of other ones and making a complete list would be hard because many just ended up with nuked accounts.

At times I've been a little less aggressive at squashing these scammers specifically because their victims are also crooks-- and usually they're just selling something useless. Though sometimes they take the opportunity to distribute malware which I think is less justifiable even if the victims are crooks.  These threads also create FUD as collateral damage (accusations that Bitcoin isn't secure), spam up the forum, and attract even more idiotic would-be-thieves. ... all of which are not cool even though I'm willing to admit that thieves robbing thieves is not my biggest concern.

In any case, I posted in the threads calling out and explaining the scam.  Then shortly after that I saw there was a report with the same conclusions I had by another established forum member. Comforted by the fact that it wasn't just me, I nuked the newer newbie account that was purely promoting it which caused the forum software to tell me that it was a sock account of the first-- as expected.  I haven't killed the initial scammer's account because it serves an example to others, and I think now has anti-fud effects: since people have seen these threads (and similar posted elsewhere) the rumors will continue to circulate, and with the thread left up people can link to the debunking at the end of it.

I did, however, nominate the account for a flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2879


Posting about how he is selling a way to hack private keys: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374946
The amazing thing is there are probably still people who fall for that. It's like selling the goose with the golden eggs.

I had an idea that maybe the victims are people who have bitcoin burning a hole in their pocket because they successfully ripped someone off already, e.g. through cracking a brainwallet or social engineering.  Stolen coins are dangerous to trade, probably the safest thing you can spend them on is more coin stealing tools.  Someone who had some initial success in ripping people off may be emboldened to go for a bigger score.

This latest thread had an interesting elaboration because the cracking tool required a large number of signatures which someone might rationalize as making the attack harder to apply and less valuable to the author. ... then buy it with dreams of social engineering a target into making additional signatures.
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December 07, 2021, 03:48:36 PM
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... I nuked the newer newbie account that was purely promoting it which caused the forum software to tell me that it was a sock account of the first-- as expected.  I haven't killed the initial scammer's account because it serves an example to others...

Since he came back and posted more from the non banned account do you think all his accounts should get a permaban from the forum for ban evasion?
Since you are well....you and staff / mod I'll follow your lead on this. But my gut says get rid of them all.
I understand leaving the post up as you said for an example for others, but don't see why we should let him stay.

Just my view.

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January 19, 2022, 03:55:54 PM
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@gmaxwell
Would you mind checking the following thread as well? 1btc loan for 1 year [archived]
- I admit, I have very limited knowledge in regards to the technical side of the script in question, but I'm leaning more towards that user being an alt, as opposed to a new buyer who might've purchased it recently [IIRC, you had access to other information in regards to users in here].

As soon as I read about the "rsz" part, I knew there's probably a connection with "DarkBitcoin's script" and I was right:


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January 22, 2022, 12:39:50 PM
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It seems you are on to something. Sadly, people will read posts and articles about being able to purchase tools for hacking private keys and think it is a get-very-rich-very-quick and will end up sending funds to all sorts of unscrupulous and highly dubious people.

In the case you highlighted, the self-moderated thread has been nuked (probably as a result of you posting about it) therefore I could not read it but it most likely seems a case of the same person creating both accounts with a view to scamming gullible people.

Thank you, at least some potential victims of this scam have been saved as a result of you creating this thread.


You have this guy (new user): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2731814
Posting about how he is selling a way to hack private keys: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5374946

And then you have this guy (another new user): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3404717
Asking about it in a self mode thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375372
And saying that it works in the sellers thread.

Seems to me that it's all one person selling a scam script and then promoting it.
Anyone else have a different view?

-Dave

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