Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/4KwpEJjVKbQ/

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The key insight here is that the guiding forces of the U.S. and other 'progressive Western' leaderships define 'winning' as something which is 180 degrees off what most people would automatically think.  That's the danger of what is meant by enemies 'either foreign and domestic'  Russia is succeeding in the war of attrition and bleeding first Ukraine and then NATO white of resources, but to those running NATO and certain of the member counties this isn't a bug; it's a feature.  This because the current leaderships have longer term plans.

One idea might be...

The people of the US moved into action in WW2 very rapidly after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Their anger turned them into an effective fighting machine that essentially conquered the world back then.

Nowadays the people are in love with their toys. The would-be rulers of the world in the US military would like a nation of warriors back. The whole operation of poking at Russia and other nations of the world, might simply be a push to get enough war going against the US, to stimulate the American people into war action again.

Any news about Kononovich brothers and other imprisoned CPU members?

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/kononovich-brothers-ukrainian-communist-youth-leaders-confirmed-to-be-alive/

So there really are people in Ukraine who understand what the US is doing over there!

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[Branko]

So there really are people in Ukraine who understand what the US is doing over there!

Obviously, understanding what's going on will put you in jail there...or worse

[BADecker]

So there really are people in Ukraine who understand what the US is doing over there!

Obviously, understanding what's going on will put you in jail there...or worse

'Understanding' is only a mental thing. Doing or speaking is what counts for jail. Understanding might let you run for your life, across a border, like into Poland... or Russia.

Not understanding will get you into the Ukraine military which is almost certain death from Russia.


NATO claims Russia is preparing 200,000 troops for MASSIVE new attack on Ukraine


https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-02-01-russia-preparing-200000-troops-new-attack-ukraine.html
North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg recently warned that Russia is amassing at least 200,000 soldiers for a massive new attack on Ukraine.

Stoltenberg further claimed that there is “no sign” that Russian President Vladimir Putin is “preparing for peace,” adding that the nation is preparing for “more war” ahead of the one-year mark of the beginning of Russia’s special military operation at the end of February. (Related: Ukraine’s defense minister claims his country is a “de facto” member of NATO.)

The NATO secretary-general’s claim comes from a report recently published by the American think tank, the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), which claimed that Putin “retains his maximalist goals in Ukraine.”

Meanwhile, Head of the Ukrainian Council of Reservists Ivan Tymochko reportedly said that Russian forces in the disputed Donbas region were “strengthening” in anticipation of an offensive, which Russia was launching “due to increasing domestic pressure” for a quick victory and an end to the war.

“Stoltenberg’s and Tymochko’s statements support ISW’s previous forecast that Russian forces are setting conditions to launch an offensive effort, likely in Luhansk Oblast, in the coming months,” said the ISW, adding that Russian military bloggers have already started setting up the Russian information space.

NATO chief claims Russian victory in Ukraine would “empower dictators,” make the world “more dangerous”

Stoltenberg claimed that it is “extremely important” for the world that “Putin doesn’t win.” He claimed that a full Russian victory in Ukraine would empower dictators like Putin and make the world “more dangerous.”

He further warned that Russia is potentially mobilizing even more than just 200,000 new troops, with NATO intelligence suggesting that Russia is actively acquiring new weapons.

“They are actively acquiring new weapons, more ammunition, ramping up their own production, but also acquiring more weapons from other authoritarian states like Iran and North Korea,” Stoltenberg said...
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[TwitchySeal]

Soaring Death Toll Gives Grim Insight Into Russian Tactics


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/02/us/politics/ukraine-russia-casualties.html
WASHINGTON — Moscow is sending poorly trained recruits, including convicts, to the front lines in eastern Ukraine to pave the way for more seasoned fighters, U.S. and allied officials say.

The number of Russian troops killed and wounded in Ukraine is approaching 200,000, a stark symbol of just how badly President Vladimir V. Putin’s invasion has gone, according to American and other Western officials.

While the officials caution that casualties are notoriously difficult to estimate, particularly because Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, they say the slaughter from fighting in and around the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut and the town of Soledar has ballooned what was already a heavy toll.

With Moscow desperate for a major battlefield victory and viewing Bakhmut as the key to seizing the entire eastern Donbas area, the Russian military has sent poorly trained recruits and former convicts to the front lines, straight into the path of Ukrainian shelling and machine guns. The result, American officials say, has been hundreds of troops killed or injured a day.

Russia analysts say that the loss of life is unlikely to be a deterrent to Mr. Putin’s war aims. He has no political opposition at home and has framed the war as the kind of struggle the country faced in World War II, when more than 8 million Soviet troops died. U.S. officials have said that they believe that Mr. Putin can sustain hundreds of thousands of casualties in Ukraine, although higher numbers could cut into his political support.

Ukraine’s casualty figures are also difficult to ascertain, given Kyiv’s reluctance to disclose its own wartime losses. But in Bakhmut, hundreds of Ukrainian troops have been wounded and killed daily at times as well, officials said. Better trained infantry formations are kept in reserve to safeguard them, while lesser prepared troops, such as those in the territorial defense units, are kept on the front line and bear the brunt of shelling.

The last public Biden administration estimate of casualties came last November, when Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that more than 100,000 troops on each side had been killed and wounded since the war began. At the time, officials said privately that the numbers were closer to 120,000.

“I would say it’s significantly well over 100,000 now,” General Milley said at a news conference last month in Germany, adding that the Russian toll included “regular military, and also their mercenaries in the Wagner Group.”

[af_newbie]

Soaring Death Toll Gives Grim Insight Into Russian Tactics


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/02/us/politics/ukraine-russia-casualties.html
WASHINGTON — Moscow is sending poorly trained recruits, including convicts, to the front lines in eastern Ukraine to pave the way for more seasoned fighters, U.S. and allied officials say.

The number of Russian troops killed and wounded in Ukraine is approaching 200,000, a stark symbol of just how badly President Vladimir V. Putin’s invasion has gone, according to American and other Western officials.

While the officials caution that casualties are notoriously difficult to estimate, particularly because Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, they say the slaughter from fighting in and around the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut and the town of Soledar has ballooned what was already a heavy toll.

With Moscow desperate for a major battlefield victory and viewing Bakhmut as the key to seizing the entire eastern Donbas area, the Russian military has sent poorly trained recruits and former convicts to the front lines, straight into the path of Ukrainian shelling and machine guns. The result, American officials say, has been hundreds of troops killed or injured a day.

Russia analysts say that the loss of life is unlikely to be a deterrent to Mr. Putin’s war aims. He has no political opposition at home and has framed the war as the kind of struggle the country faced in World War II, when more than 8 million Soviet troops died. U.S. officials have said that they believe that Mr. Putin can sustain hundreds of thousands of casualties in Ukraine, although higher numbers could cut into his political support.

Ukraine’s casualty figures are also difficult to ascertain, given Kyiv’s reluctance to disclose its own wartime losses. But in Bakhmut, hundreds of Ukrainian troops have been wounded and killed daily at times as well, officials said. Better trained infantry formations are kept in reserve to safeguard them, while lesser prepared troops, such as those in the territorial defense units, are kept on the front line and bear the brunt of shelling.

The last public Biden administration estimate of casualties came last November, when Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that more than 100,000 troops on each side had been killed and wounded since the war began. At the time, officials said privately that the numbers were closer to 120,000.

“I would say it’s significantly well over 100,000 now,” General Milley said at a news conference last month in Germany, adding that the Russian toll included “regular military, and also their mercenaries in the Wagner Group.”

That does not include bodies cremated by Russians in the mobile crematoriums. No bodies, no payments to families.

Russians do not care how many of its citizens they kill in this clusterfuck. Nobody is counting them.

The reports from the frontlines show that they send them in waves with losses in the 80%+ for each wave.
Some Ukrainian servicemen describe the attack on Bahmut as a surreal Zombie movie.

The Wagnerites get a few rounds of 7.62 and keep going until they lose enough blood and drop dead.
Nobody is picking up their bodies, new waves come in, and get chopped up, and this is repeated, for each 100m of advance.

I think Putin is prepared to sacrifice millions, so I think Ukrainians need to change something, as they might not be able
to sustain this type of attrition war.

Hint: Logistics wins wars.

[BADecker]

Soaring Death Toll Gives Grim Insight Into Russian Tactics


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/02/us/politics/ukraine-russia-casualties.html
WASHINGTON — Moscow is sending poorly trained recruits, including convicts, to the front lines in eastern Ukraine to pave the way for more seasoned fighters, U.S. and allied officials say.

The number of Russian troops killed and wounded in Ukraine is approaching 200,000, a stark symbol of just how badly President Vladimir V. Putin’s invasion has gone, according to American and other Western officials.

While the officials caution that casualties are notoriously difficult to estimate, particularly because Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, they say the slaughter from fighting in and around the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut and the town of Soledar has ballooned what was already a heavy toll.

With Moscow desperate for a major battlefield victory and viewing Bakhmut as the key to seizing the entire eastern Donbas area, the Russian military has sent poorly trained recruits and former convicts to the front lines, straight into the path of Ukrainian shelling and machine guns. The result, American officials say, has been hundreds of troops killed or injured a day.

Russia analysts say that the loss of life is unlikely to be a deterrent to Mr. Putin’s war aims. He has no political opposition at home and has framed the war as the kind of struggle the country faced in World War II, when more than 8 million Soviet troops died. U.S. officials have said that they believe that Mr. Putin can sustain hundreds of thousands of casualties in Ukraine, although higher numbers could cut into his political support.

Ukraine’s casualty figures are also difficult to ascertain, given Kyiv’s reluctance to disclose its own wartime losses. But in Bakhmut, hundreds of Ukrainian troops have been wounded and killed daily at times as well, officials said. Better trained infantry formations are kept in reserve to safeguard them, while lesser prepared troops, such as those in the territorial defense units, are kept on the front line and bear the brunt of shelling.

The last public Biden administration estimate of casualties came last November, when Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that more than 100,000 troops on each side had been killed and wounded since the war began. At the time, officials said privately that the numbers were closer to 120,000.

“I would say it’s significantly well over 100,000 now,” General Milley said at a news conference last month in Germany, adding that the Russian toll included “regular military, and also their mercenaries in the Wagner Group.”

That does not include bodies cremated by Russians in the mobile crematoriums. No bodies, no payments to families.

Russians do not care how many of its citizens they kill in this clusterfuck. Nobody is counting them.

The reports from the frontlines show that they send them in waves with losses in the 80%+ for each wave.
Some Ukrainian servicemen describe the attack on Bahmut as a surreal Zombie movie.

The Wagnerites get a few rounds of 7.62 and keep going until they lose enough blood and drop dead.
Nobody is picking up their bodies, new waves come in, and get chopped up, and this is repeated, for each 100m of advance.

I think Putin is prepared to sacrifice millions, so I think Ukrainians need to change something, as they might not be able
to sustain this type of attrition war.

Hint: Logistics wins wars.

War is essentially never worth it. But, despite losses, Russia has taken back much of its land that Ukraine has illegally held for some time now.

[tvbcof]

War is essentially never worth it. But, despite losses, Russia has taken back much of its land that Ukraine has illegally held for some time now.

Let's see here...

Russia's economy and relationship development within BRICS has never gone better thanks to the sanctions, so far the main losses in the war have been storm-troopers from their penal system, and they've put and end to some of the ethnic cleansing of the Ukro-nazi's thus showing their people that there is yet another tangible reason to support the govt.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and estimate that a LOT of people in Russia think that the action so far has been 'worth it'.

I certainly hope that if a country I care about is ever in a struggle, the enemy will be as incompetent as the 'collective West' has been through this whole thing, though it remains unclear exactly how much of an enemy of Russia they actually are.  Some say that 'the Russians' played opossum for a two or three decades while they installed their operatives in the West.  Looks entirely possible to me.

[BADecker]

Ukraine is just sunk. There is word that some 200,000 Russian soldiers were killed in this war already. Look at what's going to happen. Ukraine is done for. Note that Crimea is now part of Russia.

When she lost her husband, she bought a tank and went on a rampage on the Eastern Front

World War II devastated families and separated countless lovers. In some cases, the ones who lost their loved ones hurried to avenge them. Mariya Oktyabrskaya was one such person. As news of her husband having died on the Eastern Front reached her, she decided to sell everything she owned and invest in the production of a T-34 tank. Then she went a step further and applied for training to receive her tank driving license. The following step was vengeance like no other.

But let’s get back to the beginning. Mariya Oktyabrskaya was born on the Crimean Peninsula to a poor Ukrainian family which nurtured 10 children. Before the war, she worked in a cannery and was at one point a telephone operator.

She met her husband, the future Red Army officer, in 1925. The two married that same year. Mariya became very interested in her husband’s line of work and joined the Military Wives Council and acquired training as an army nurse. Soon after, she learned how to use weapons and drive, which was very uncommon for women at the time.

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[paxmao]

Soaring Death Toll Gives Grim Insight Into Russian Tactics


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/02/us/politics/ukraine-russia-casualties.html
WASHINGTON — Moscow is sending poorly trained recruits, including convicts, to the front lines in eastern Ukraine to pave the way for more seasoned fighters, U.S. and allied officials say.

The number of Russian troops killed and wounded in Ukraine is approaching 200,000, a stark symbol of just how badly President Vladimir V. Putin’s invasion has gone, according to American and other Western officials.

While the officials caution that casualties are notoriously difficult to estimate, particularly because Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, they say the slaughter from fighting in and around the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut and the town of Soledar has ballooned what was already a heavy toll.

With Moscow desperate for a major battlefield victory and viewing Bakhmut as the key to seizing the entire eastern Donbas area, the Russian military has sent poorly trained recruits and former convicts to the front lines, straight into the path of Ukrainian shelling and machine guns. The result, American officials say, has been hundreds of troops killed or injured a day.

Russia analysts say that the loss of life is unlikely to be a deterrent to Mr. Putin’s war aims. He has no political opposition at home and has framed the war as the kind of struggle the country faced in World War II, when more than 8 million Soviet troops died. U.S. officials have said that they believe that Mr. Putin can sustain hundreds of thousands of casualties in Ukraine, although higher numbers could cut into his political support.

Ukraine’s casualty figures are also difficult to ascertain, given Kyiv’s reluctance to disclose its own wartime losses. But in Bakhmut, hundreds of Ukrainian troops have been wounded and killed daily at times as well, officials said. Better trained infantry formations are kept in reserve to safeguard them, while lesser prepared troops, such as those in the territorial defense units, are kept on the front line and bear the brunt of shelling.

The last public Biden administration estimate of casualties came last November, when Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that more than 100,000 troops on each side had been killed and wounded since the war began. At the time, officials said privately that the numbers were closer to 120,000.

“I would say it’s significantly well over 100,000 now,” General Milley said at a news conference last month in Germany, adding that the Russian toll included “regular military, and also their mercenaries in the Wagner Group.”

That does not include bodies cremated by Russians in the mobile crematoriums. No bodies, no payments to families.

Russians do not care how many of its citizens they kill in this clusterfuck. Nobody is counting them.

The reports from the frontlines show that they send them in waves with losses in the 80%+ for each wave.
Some Ukrainian servicemen describe the attack on Bahmut as a surreal Zombie movie.

The Wagnerites get a few rounds of 7.62 and keep going until they lose enough blood and drop dead.
Nobody is picking up their bodies, new waves come in, and get chopped up, and this is repeated, for each 100m of advance.

I think Putin is prepared to sacrifice millions, so I think Ukrainians need to change something, as they might not be able
to sustain this type of attrition war.

Hint: Logistics wins wars.

Yep, numbers are not to be ignored that is for sure. You certainly need a number of troops in the ground to hold a territory and that is clear to everyone. A different matter is driving an offensive action without the right support of combined arms -  it is the closes to trying to run towards a machine gun with 200 people in the hope that 10 will make it there. On paper, it works, 10 people get to the machine gun and kill the operators. In reality, the 200 guys may choose to shoot the officers by the back.

Putin is certainly ready to use (others) lives, but there may be a point in which the lower ranks stop accepting being cannon fodder.

War is essentially never worth it. But, despite losses, Russia has taken back much of its land that Ukraine has illegally held for some time now.

Let's see here...

Russia's economy and relationship development within BRICS has never gone better ...

... Some say that 'the Russians' played opossum for a two or three decades while they installed their operatives in the West.  Looks entirely possible to me.

Yet the RF GDP drops and dropsssss....... It seems to me that Putin would be a CIA operative and a brilliant one.

[Elderyoung]

NATO declines to intervene for fear of using article 5 when people—men, women, and children—are perishing.
It is conceivable that a NATO nation will be attacked next on the Kremlin's hit list.
By remaining silent, another Ukraine will inevitably occur.
Yes, Russia possesses nuclear weapons, and Putin did make a not-so-subtle threat to use them.
Fear of a stronger force interfering because he is aware that his conventional forces are inadequate is a symptom of weakness. However, without assistance, the Ukrainian resistance will inevitably give up.
How far will the West retreat under the threat of nuclear weapons while Russia is on the march, nukes or not?

[BADecker]

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Yet the RF GDP drops and dropsssss....... It seems to me that Putin would be a CIA operative and a brilliant one.

There is no accurate way to measure Russian GDP. You can't use standard banking measurements, because Russia is exporting and and growing in other ways. Standard measurements don't work because of the sanctions.

For example, if there is a 100 acre farm in the US, and the farm doesn't produce much if any product to sell to the American market, does that mean the farm dies? Not necessarily. After all, 100 acres is large enough to feed the family of 6 that owns it, plus a whole bunch of families in the area. Yet, none of that will be counted as part of the GDP for that farm, because they are not in the system of counting that way.

Russia is similar. They are simply not operating GDP-wise in the way that the West counts GDP. This might mean that they are even more successful in ways that the West doesn't measure. And actually, that seems to be the way it is.

[theskillzdatklls]

The western (global?) propaganda first about covid was something to see. Then just seeing the same playbook thrown at Ukraine was also insane. I don't care about partisan politics, I like seeing the truth. And the west has been getting blown the f*** out of Bahkmut for months on end now. Radio silence from the mainstream.

The only tacitly talk about themselves losing by upping the ante to tanks and fighter jets because the war is going so great they need to also send in nukes. That kinda thing, story totally checks out.

There's a few honest and neutral sources out there. I think this guy (History Legends) has some of the best takes, he's great:

https://odysee.com/@HistoryLegends:6/%E2%80%9Cukraine-is-losing%E2%80%9D-foreign:7

[paxmao]

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Yet the RF GDP drops and dropsssss....... It seems to me that Putin would be a CIA operative and a brilliant one.

There is no accurate way to measure Russian GDP. You can't use standard banking measurements, because Russia is exporting and and growing in other ways. Standard measurements don't work because of the sanctions.

For example, if there is a 100 acre farm in the US, and the farm doesn't produce much if any product to sell to the American market, does that mean the farm dies? Not necessarily. After all, 100 acres is large enough to feed the family of 6 that owns it, plus a whole bunch of families in the area. Yet, none of that will be counted as part of the GDP for that farm, because they are not in the system of counting that way.

Russia is similar. They are simply not operating GDP-wise in the way that the West counts GDP. This might mean that they are even more successful in ways that the West doesn't measure. And actually, that seems to be the way it is.

Your usual confusion about economy and general lack of knowledge at full-throttle again. There is no way of accurately measuring any GDP, all of them are through indirect measures. Funds, credit and investment agencies routinely estimate growth and economy in many countries through indirect measures such as movement in seaports, exports, imports, traffic, power consumption... there is little doubt about what is happening to the RF economy.

GDP is GDP, it is not about how "the west" counts it nor is about "growing in a different way". You are so used to using sources that distort reality and make things "an opinion" when there are hard facts that you think you can talk your way out of an economic crisis - bad news is you can't, the economy does not care about excuses.

[Branko]

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Yet the RF GDP drops and dropsssss....... It seems to me that Putin would be a CIA operative and a brilliant one.

There is no accurate way to measure Russian GDP. You can't use standard banking measurements, because Russia is exporting and and growing in other ways. Standard measurements don't work because of the sanctions.

For example, if there is a 100 acre farm in the US, and the farm doesn't produce much if any product to sell to the American market, does that mean the farm dies? Not necessarily. After all, 100 acres is large enough to feed the family of 6 that owns it, plus a whole bunch of families in the area. Yet, none of that will be counted as part of the GDP for that farm, because they are not in the system of counting that way.

Russia is similar. They are simply not operating GDP-wise in the way that the West counts GDP. This might mean that they are even more successful in ways that the West doesn't measure. And actually, that seems to be the way it is.

Your usual confusion about economy and general lack of knowledge at full-throttle again. There is no way of accurately measuring any GDP, all of them are through indirect measures. Funds, credit and investment agencies routinely estimate growth and economy in many countries through indirect measures such as movement in seaports, exports, imports, traffic, power consumption... there is little doubt about what is happening to the RF economy.

GDP is GDP, it is not about how "the west" counts it nor is about "growing in a different way". You are so used to using sources that distort reality and make things "an opinion" when there are hard facts that you think you can talk your way out of an economic crisis - bad news is you can't, the economy does not care about excuses.

Yet, UK economy is tanking, unlike Russian one

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-04/boe-signals-worst-years-for-uk-growth-since-great-depression

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/imf-recession-germany-uk-gdp-2023-b2272655.html

[BADecker]

There is no accurate way to measure Russian GDP. You can't use standard banking measurements, because Russia is exporting and and growing in other ways. Standard measurements don't work because of the sanctions.

For example, if there is a 100 acre farm in the US, and the farm doesn't produce much if any product to sell to the American market, does that mean the farm dies? Not necessarily. After all, 100 acres is large enough to feed the family of 6 that owns it, plus a whole bunch of families in the area. Yet, none of that will be counted as part of the GDP for that farm, because they are not in the system of counting that way.

Russia is similar. They are simply not operating GDP-wise in the way that the West counts GDP. This might mean that they are even more successful in ways that the West doesn't measure. And actually, that seems to be the way it is.

Your usual confusion about economy and general lack of knowledge at full-throttle again. There is no way of accurately measuring any GDP, all of them are through indirect measures. Funds, credit and investment agencies routinely estimate growth and economy in many countries through indirect measures such as movement in seaports, exports, imports, traffic, power consumption... there is little doubt about what is happening to the RF economy.

GDP is GDP, it is not about how "the west" counts it nor is about "growing in a different way". You are so used to using sources that distort reality and make things "an opinion" when there are hard facts that you think you can talk your way out of an economic crisis - bad news is you can't, the economy does not care about excuses.

Your kind of measurement of the Russian economy is blinding you to what is really happening. The world is still way to big to sanction any major country out of it. Russia is simply going elsewhere in its trade with other nations (BRICS), and many countries are turning to Russia in new ways, for trade.

One major point is, Russia doesn't need trade with other nations. All they need is further internal development. They know this. War preparations, and the sanctions, are actually helping them develop their internal trade.

[paxmao]

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Yet the RF GDP drops and dropsssss....... It seems to me that Putin would be a CIA operative and a brilliant one.

There is no accurate way to measure Russian GDP. You can't use standard banking measurements, because Russia is exporting and and growing in other ways. Standard measurements don't work because of the sanctions.

For example, if there is a 100 acre farm in the US, and the farm doesn't produce much if any product to sell to the American market, does that mean the farm dies? Not necessarily. After all, 100 acres is large enough to feed the family of 6 that owns it, plus a whole bunch of families in the area. Yet, none of that will be counted as part of the GDP for that farm, because they are not in the system of counting that way.

Russia is similar. They are simply not operating GDP-wise in the way that the West counts GDP. This might mean that they are even more successful in ways that the West doesn't measure. And actually, that seems to be the way it is.

Your usual confusion about economy and general lack of knowledge at full-throttle again. There is no way of accurately measuring any GDP, all of them are through indirect measures. Funds, credit and investment agencies routinely estimate growth and economy in many countries through indirect measures such as movement in seaports, exports, imports, traffic, power consumption... there is little doubt about what is happening to the RF economy.

GDP is GDP, it is not about how "the west" counts it nor is about "growing in a different way". You are so used to using sources that distort reality and make things "an opinion" when there are hard facts that you think you can talk your way out of an economic crisis - bad news is you can't, the economy does not care about excuses.

Yet, UK economy is tanking, unlike Russian one

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-04/boe-signals-worst-years-for-uk-growth-since-great-depression

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/imf-recession-germany-uk-gdp-2023-b2272655.html

RE UK, absolutely, the IMF and others have already mentioned that there will be recession or very little growth across the west. Controlling the inflation requires creating a crisis by raising interest rates and that is what the FED, the BoE and the ECB are doing and it is likely to last 1 or even 2 years.

However, that does not mean RF economy is going well or "growing in a different manner". Many qualified workers, the people you need to run a economy have emigrated, the commodities need to be exported to countries like China at a lower cost and if the Saudis decide tomorrow to cut production, the cut in flow of cash into Putin's army would be demolishing.

Nope, RF's GDP, employment and salaries, not to mention the interest rates for the Ruble do not show a prosperous growing country (in "any manner"). The RF is re-purposing its economy to sustain a long war effort. A war that would confer the RF no economical gain of any type, even if all the objectives were achieved. Even by creating statelets in the Donbass and keeping the "bridge to Crimea", the economic and production facilities have been destroyed.

Nothing to gain on this war for RF, Ukraine nor Europe. Guess who is happy?

[BADecker]

^^^ Need a job? Hire on in Russia. Good pay. With the West pushing, more workers needed..

[suchmoon]

The western (global?) propaganda first about covid was something to see. Then just seeing the same playbook thrown at Ukraine was also insane. I don't care about partisan politics, I like seeing the truth. And the west has been getting blown the f*** out of Bahkmut for months on end now. Radio silence from the mainstream.

Would that be the same Bakhmut where Prigozhin buried thousands of criminals recruited from prisons and was still unable to take it? Great success for Russia and a great metaphor for their entire special operation.

[af_newbie]

The western (global?) propaganda first about covid was something to see. Then just seeing the same playbook thrown at Ukraine was also insane. I don't care about partisan politics, I like seeing the truth. And the west has been getting blown the f*** out of Bahkmut for months on end now. Radio silence from the mainstream.

Would that be the same Bakhmut where Prigozhin buried thousands of criminals recruited from prisons and was still unable to take it? Great success for Russia and a great metaphor for their entire special operation.

They probably wasted 30K+ prisoners so far, but Russia still has about 370K prisoners that can be sent off to die in Ukraine,
so I suspect they will completely level Bahmut, and cover the place with bodies of Russian soldiers and prisoners.

It is a matter of political survival for Putin. He will do everything, no matter the cost to realize his delusions.

So I think this thing will go on until he dies or is eliminated.

[BADecker]

We are getting the proof about the US bio-labs in Ukraine. Wuhan was the tiny tip of the worldwide, US bio-lab iceberg. What can we expect in the future, considering how bad the vaxxes were?


Russia exposes Ukrainian biolab operator Metabiota and its connections to the Pentagon, Hunter Biden, EcoHealth Alliance, and the WEF


https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-02-06-russia-exposes-hunter-biden-biolab-operator-metabiota-in-ukraine.html
As part of their special military operations in Ukraine, the Russian Defense Ministry has obtained over 20,000 documents connected to a US biolab project in Ukraine called Metabiota. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky ordered all documents related to Metabiota be destroyed right before the Russians initiated their special military operation in Ukraine. The World Health Organization – the entity that installed a global medical police state – called on Zelensky to destroy all documents related to biolabs in Ukraine, forfeiting transparency of suspected bioweapons research. The US embassy in Ukraine also removed all their Ukraine bioweapons lab documents from the web.

However, on Monday January 20, 2023, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) claimed to have incriminating documents. The MFA asserted, “The materials confirm that the Pentagon aimed at creating elements of a biological weapon, & testing it on the population of Ukraine.” These are startling allegations that involve Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, and the Pentagon, and implicate Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance and members of the World Economic Forum.

Biolab activity in Ukraine connected to Hunter Biden, Peter Daszak, and the Pentagon

This Ukrainian biolab operator – Metabiota – is led by Nathan Wolfe, a prominent Stanford virologist who has previously worked on gain-of-function coronavirus research with Peter Daszak at EcoHealth Alliance. Dr. Daszak is the infamous scientist who took grants from Dr. Anthony Fauci at the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID) to offshore illegal gain-of-function coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China. Nathan Wolfe serves on the editorial board of EcoHealth Alliance and is a member of DARPA’s Defense Science Research Council. Wolfe and Daszak co-authored a paper together in 2017 on “Global patterns in coronavirus diversity.”

The unethical virology research that took place in China could very easily be conducted and expounded upon in Ukraine, with Daszak and Wolfe sharing their research and coordinating new business ventures that involve bioweapons manufacture and predatory vaccine development.
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