Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[af_newbie]

Ukrainians will be fighting Russian aggressors to death.

Well, that means they'll die.

Yes, Captain Obvious, aggressors will die. That's the whole point.

In Kyiv on May 9 2022, a traditional parade will be held in honor of the victory of the USSR over Nazi Germany. It is naive and foolish to doubt it.

OMG. You are clueless.

Russia might not survive economically until then.  A huge payment on sovereign debt is due on Apr 4. So by May 4, rubble will be in a free fall.
I mean 1000:1 or lower.

Putin and his buddies kept the money in the West, now that money is seized and will be used to reconstruct Ukraine once this adventure is over. That was their fundamental error before they decided to run this special operation. Some chess players, lol. Fucking drunk retards.

Replacement for Putin has already been selected. The KGB elite will change the regime and try to re-establish economic ties with the West.
Too much money is at stake.

This Soviet propaganda for old babushkas is cheap talk for the masses, but it makes everyone poorer and the smart siloviki in Russia will not
allow this for too long.

BTW, I think all temporary occupied territories will be returned to Ukraine after this military mishap is over.

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[be.open]

Russia might not survive economically until then.  A huge payment on sovereign debt is due on Apr 4. So by May 4, rubble will be in a free fall.
I mean 1000:1 or lower.

Don't you know that just recently another tranche was made to service Russia's external debt, and the payment from the blocked accounts was successfully completed. Although there was a real risk of a technical default, and Putin even gave instructions to service the external debt in rubles.

Russia has had a steady budget surplus for many years and its external debt is relatively low. I'll tell you more, now all imports to Russia are blocked by almost 100% and exports are blocked by only 30%. This makes Russia's foreign trade balance very strongly positive, although it was positive before. I hope you have enough economic literacy to understand that a positive foreign trade balance favorably affects the national currency. If you do not buy anything, but continue to sell, although less and at a discount, you will have more money, not less. Is it too difficult to understand?  

Rumors of the death of the already twice "torn to shreds" (the first time after the annexation of Crimea in 2014) of the Russian economy are greatly exaggerated. Try to learn how to live with it somehow.

Putin and his buddies kept the money in the West, now that money is seized and will be used to reconstruct Ukraine once this adventure is over. That was their fundamental error before they decided to run this special operation. Some chess players, lol. Fucking drunk retards.

Yes, it was a mistake, but is Putin's mistake? All the countries in the world watched how the US and Europe blocked the reserves of the Central Bank of Russia and obviously thought - are our own funds secure enough if they can be blocked so easily? The American dollar will soon lose the status of the world's reserve currency, this is obvious. Saudi Arabia's talks with China regarding the sale of oil for yuan have greatly disturbed Biden, and it is understandable why. America is waiting for a jump in hyperinflation in the near future. At the same time, Russia has not even introduced its counter-sanctions yet, and it has something to say about this. A little later, when the sanctions hysteria in the West subsides.

As one of the measures, the cessation of uranium supplies to the United States is now being discussed. This will make electricity much more expensive. I think Russia's economic response to sanctions will focus on simple basic things - electricity, gasoline, food. Due to the quantitative easing programs that have intensified against the background of the pandemic, these simple basic things have already risen in price noticeably (multiple!) even before the invasion of Ukraine. Russia is always ready to lend a helping hand to friendly countries, but not to unfriendly countries. Now there are 48 states in the list of unfriendly countries of Russia. And I think many of them will want to get out of there very soon, when they feel the economic burden from the consequences of their own short-sighted decisions more fully. Because hunger is not an aunt.

It doesn't matter how much money you have if truckers have blocked the roads due to high gas prices and the shops have run out of food. Think about it at your leisure.

[suchmoon]

In Kyiv on May 9 2022, a traditional parade will be held in honor of the victory of the USSR over Nazi Germany. It is naive and foolish to doubt it.

Well, if not in Kyiv then maybe in the suburbs of Chornobaivka. The equipment might need some polishing before it's parade-ready.

[be.open]

In Kyiv on May 9 2022, a traditional parade will be held in honor of the victory of the USSR over Nazi Germany. It is naive and foolish to doubt it.

Well, if not in Kyiv then maybe in the suburbs of Chornobaivka. The equipment might need some polishing before it's parade-ready.

In winter, military exercises took place on Russian territory near the border with Ukraine, in which two groups participated - Z and V (west and east). Now a group of Z is involved in the operation. And where is the second group V? Probably in operational reserve, polishing uniforms for the parade, but this is not certain.  

[icopress]

[...] And where is the second group V? Probably in operational reserve, polishing uniforms for the parade, but this is not certain.

You are absolutely right

[be.open]

[...] And where is the second group V? Probably in operational reserve, polishing uniforms for the parade, but this is not certain.

You are absolutely right

It means that someone was attracted from the second group, mostly the letter Z flashes on military equipment.

The uniqueness of this operation is that Russia does not have a numerical superiority over the well-armed and motivated regular troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and this contradicts all the canons of military science (the attacking side must have a three-sixfold numerical advantage). The success of the operation is largely due to Russia's dominance in the air and preventive strikes with high-precision weapons on military infrastructure.

Ukraine's plan was to attack the Donbass in early March and have NATO declare a no-fly zone. Putin struck a preemptive strike when he realized that a clash was inevitable, and he himself declared a no-fly zone over Ukraine. Plus, he struck not from the east, where he was expected, but from the north and south, confusing all the cards for the generals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Ukraine lost this operation even before it began.

[LTU_btc]

The success of the operation is largely due to Russia's dominance in the air and preventive strikes with high-precision weapons on military infrastructure.

Tell me more about their high-precision weapons... Is that Grad, Uragan or Smerch? These "high precision" weapons probably hit civilian objects way more times than they hit military infrastructure. Offcourse, you can always use excuse that civilian object was base of nationalists.

[paxmao]

blah blah fake info blah blah propaganda blah blah useless trash talk.
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The success of the operation is largely due to Russia's dominance in the air and preventive strikes with high-precision weapons on military infrastructure.
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blah blah fake info blah blah propaganda blah blah useless trash talk.

Success? Bruh, you must have experienced such a serious failures in your life that this looks like a win of some short. Precise munition? WTF, you are carpet-shelling cities... unless you mean precise within +/-10km or the like.

Russia is achieving some territorial "gains" (gains of a hostile territory, not something sustainable) at the cost of equipment that is costly and that, due to sanctions and isolation, probably not easy to replace. If anything is clear on this war is that Putin failed spectacularly in his assumptions (e.g. they won't resist, EU will not act united, ...)

On the rumour front, a large contingent of troops that were near Kyiv seems to actually been cut-out of supplies. Unconfirmed, but plausible.

I made a post on the economics of war mentioning:


A switchblade drone costs 6000 USD, it can be used by a nearly untrained grunt and can destroy a 5 million USD tank or even a multi-million S-400 system. And that is without the guy having to even get close to the target. Guess what? USD has sent a very large batch Putin's way. I would be f**ng scared to be on one of Putin's tanks right now. A javelin or a MLAW have the same rate of "economic effectiveness".

It is not only about winning territory or cities, is about having a win that does not leave your army half-destroyed and unable to respond to revolts in other parts of Putin's Tzardom or with such a number of dead soldiers or POWs that he can no longer propagandize his way out of the fiasco.

I am not even going to bother answering your shitty propaganda.

And yet you just did it. 
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And with that answer you are implicitly confirming that even yourself considered it as propaganda 

[suchmoon]

Tell me more about their high-precision weapons... Is that Grad, Uragan or Smerch? These "high precision" weapons probably hit civilian objects way more times than they hit military infrastructure. Offcourse, you can always use excuse that civilian object was base of nationalists.

Yeah there must be hundreds of thousands of those "nationalists" in Mariupol alone because Russian forces had attacked nearly every building and they still haven't been able to take the city.

In other news, Putin the great liberator is determined to kill civilian Donbas population on "his" side as well, by making them into cannon fodder:

https://kyivindependent.com/national/russia-throws-untrained-civilians-from-occupied-donbas-into-hot-spots-of-its-war-in-ukraine/

[DaRude]

blah blah fake info blah blah propaganda blah blah useless trash talk.
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The success of the operation is largely due to Russia's dominance in the air and preventive strikes with high-precision weapons on military infrastructure.
...

blah blah fake info blah blah propaganda blah blah useless trash talk.

Success? Bruh, you must have experienced such a serious failures in your life that this looks like a win of some short. Precise munition? WTF, you are carpet-shelling cities... unless you mean precise within +/-10km or the like.

Russia is achieving some territorial "gains" (gains of a hostile territory, not something sustainable) at the cost of equipment that is costly and that, due to sanctions and isolation, probably not easy to replace. If anything is clear on this war is that Putin failed spectacularly in his assumptions (e.g. they won't resist, EU will not act united, ...)

On the rumour front, a large contingent of troops that were near Kyiv seems to actually been cut-out of supplies. Unconfirmed, but plausible.

I made a post on the economics of war mentioning:


A switchblade drone costs 6000 USD, it can be used by a nearly untrained grunt and can destroy a 5 million USD tank or even a multi-million S-400 system. And that is without the guy having to even get close to the target. Guess what? USD has sent a very large batch Putin's way. I would be f**ng scared to be on one of Putin's tanks right now. A javelin or a MLAW have the same rate of "economic effectiveness".

It is not only about winning territory or cities, is about having a win that does not leave your army half-destroyed and unable to respond to revolts in other parts of Putin's Tzardom or with such a number of dead soldiers or POWs that he can no longer propagandize his way out of the fiasco.

I am not even going to bother answering your shitty propaganda.

And yet you just did it. 
...

And with that answer you are implicitly confirming that even yourself considered it as propaganda 

Pretty sure we'd see millions of casualties if Russia wanted to carpet shell a city. There's also no point of nuclear/chemical/biological attacks when there's a Father of All Bombs in your arsenal. Plus the hypersonic missile kinda proved that if Russia didn't care for civilians they could've take out Zelenksy on day one just with a press of a button.

Very doubtful of effectiveness of those switchblades, but sure lets imagine that they're a game changer as claimed. US litters every meter of Ukrainian soil with them along with ATGM and MANPADS. But what's the point, what's the end goal, is it to maximize damage on Russia at a cost of Ukraine or someone believes that Putin will just turn around and leave? Taking Afghanistan as an example, do you think civilians benefited from all of the advanced weapons Afghani soldiers received to fight Taliban? The benefit for US is pretty clear, US gets to fuck with Russia with minimal cost and zero risk to itself, sure why not, lets do another escalation. Now what options will Russia have? Either fold and go home to a guaranteed economical, political and possibly (physical?) suicide, or in a mirror reply to escalation with escalation. Either start getting military help from China, or raise the stakes that's where real carpet bombing will start, go full scorched earth like US in Vietnam. Cost/benefit for US is pretty clear, but is anyone still thinks that Ukraine is in control of any of this? Anyone dares to do a cost/benefit analysis on civilians if Ukraine accepts the terms or at this point they're pretty much committed to just being a pawn and have no choice but to be a battle ground for this east vs west game to their last citizen?

If you're still not disillusioned that this is about Ukraine. Here we have Macron saying

“We will be facing a world-wide food crisis,” Macron said in an interview with France Bleu radio on Tuesday. “I want to put in place a food voucher [system] to help the most modest households and the middle class facing these additional costs.”

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-22-22/h_7c10a14208a9646586b8dc400c9a51f5

And then Biden saying That we're at inflection point for new world order can't imagine any of this is good for Ukraine and if warmongering will make things any better for Ukraine

[suchmoon]

start getting military help from China

That would imply that the Chinese government is dumber than Putin, which I really doubt. China will sit on the sidelines for as long as they need to so that they can get Siberia on the cheap.

Anyone dares to do a cost/benefit analysis on civilians if Ukraine accepts the terms or at this point they're pretty much committed to just being a pawn and have no choice but to be a battle ground for this east vs west game to their last citizen?

What are you still babbling about? What "terms"? Denazification? Putin lied about everything and is still lying so there isn't any trust in him that would make some mythical "terms" feasible.

Funny how you talk about "pawns" in the same sentence where you're implying that the Ukrainians can be just told to accept "terms" and stop fighting. At this point it's very unlikely they would do so and it's getting less likely with every civilian death. Threatening them with more civilian deaths is not going to make them want Russian "terms".

[TwitchySeal]

17th century LOL

RT doesn't want you to know this, but...

Ancient Kievan lands... 1000 years ago, since before Moscow even existed.

Thank you for confirming that the two countries at the center of the dispute Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic never ever have been part of Ukraine other than in Soviet times when Vladimir Lenin  gave it to them.

Interesting links Tash, good to see you aren't only relying on unsourced youtube videos and images of words on twitter anymore:

Russian ethnic and imperialist nationalism has shaped the official ideology of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics.[172] Far-right nationalist groups have played a greater role on the pro-Russian side of the conflict than on the Ukrainian side, especially at the beginning.[123][172] Leaders of the Donetsk People's Militia are closely linked to the neo-Nazi party Russian National Unity (RNU) led by Alexander Barkashov, which has recruited many fighters.[172][173][174] A former member of RNU, Pavel Gubarev, was founder of the Donbas People's Militia and first "governor" of the Donetsk People's Republic.[172][175] RNU is particularly linked to the Russian Orthodox Army, a religious ultranationalist unit which is part of the Donetsk People's Militia.[174][176] Other neo-Nazi units include the 'Rusich', 'Svarozhich' and 'Ratibor' battalions, which have Slavic swastikas on their badges.[172]

So basically, Putin is trying to do the opposite of de-nazification.  

Some other fun facts:

The Republic's economy is frequently described as dependent on contraband and gunrunning,[180] with some labelling it a mafia state. Joining DPR military formations or its civil services has become one of the few guarantees for a stable income in the DPR.[126]

The new ruling elites of the DPR have displaced the previous oligarchic structures in the region.[185] The new powerholders expropriated profitable businesses. For instance, Rinat Akhmetov has lost control over his assets in the region after they were nationalised. Under Russia's guidance, the republic set up trade and production monopolies through which the trade in coal and steel is organised. Lacking private banks, its own currency, and direct access to the Black Sea, DPR's survival depends exclusively on Russia's economic support and trade via the common border.[186]

[DaRude]

start getting military help from China

That would imply that the Chinese government is dumber than Putin, which I really doubt. China will sit on the sidelines for as long as they need to so that they can get Siberia on the cheap.

Anyone dares to do a cost/benefit analysis on civilians if Ukraine accepts the terms or at this point they're pretty much committed to just being a pawn and have no choice but to be a battle ground for this east vs west game to their last citizen?

What are you still babbling about? What "terms"? Denazification? Putin lied about everything and is still lying so there isn't any trust in him that would make some mythical "terms" feasible.

Funny how you talk about "pawns" in the same sentence where you're implying that the Ukrainians can be just told to accept "terms" and stop fighting. At this point it's very unlikely they would do so and it's getting less likely with every civilian death. Threatening them with more civilian deaths is not going to make them want Russian "terms".

There are no good options left here, I believe Ukraine is stuck between bad and worst. Fighting should only go on for as long as there's a chance to change the outcome. Ukraine doesn't benefit from additional loss of life once the the outcome becomes inevitable. West sending in encouragements and military weapons, rarely means that its in that nations best interest, just means that its to the West's benefit.

Do you think that Ukrainians stand to win if escalations lead to true carpet bombings and a huge loss of life? US set a terrible precedence on how to get a nation to accept its terms (and culturally Japan was much more reluctant), and your whole strategy on escalations based on Russia not doing the same (minus the nukes)? When you're far away it's easy to encourage Ukrainians and send them weapons you're not risking your life, with the added bonus of undercutting Putin, but is it ethical? History is written by the winners, just look at US/Japan relationship now.

[suchmoon]

There are no good options left here, I believe Ukraine is stuck between bad and worst. Fighting should only go on for as long as there's a chance to change the outcome. Ukraine doesn't benefit from additional loss of life once the the outcome becomes inevitable. West sending in encouragements and military weapons, rarely means that its in that nations best interest, just means that its to the West's benefit.

There is no indication that "the West" can influence Ukrainians to stop or continue fighting. Giving them weapons gives them a chance.

Do you think that Ukrainians stand to win if escalations lead to true carpet bombings and a huge loss of life? US set a terrible precedence on how to get a nation to accept its terms (and culturally Japan was much more reluctant), and your whole strategy on escalations based on Russia not doing the same (minus the nukes)? When you're far away it's easy to encourage Ukrainians and send them weapons you're not risking your life, with the added bonus of undercutting Putin, but is it ethical? History is written by the winners, just look at US/Japan relationship now.

My strategy? And how far do you think I am LOL. I hope it's the figurative "you".

Now the real "me" has no doubt that the only way to make the conflict worse for Ukrainians and Eastern (and probably all of) Europe is to not support them and/or try to convince them to surrender to Putin. Carpets or no carpets, Ukrainians don't want to live in Putin's Russia, and for a good reason. So much so that they consider dying while defending their land as an acceptable alternative.

So the choice isn't escalation vs no escalation, the choice is Ukrainians using Javelins vs using rocks and potatoes. I don't think that rocks and potatoes would result in fewer Ukrainian casualties. It would also likely result in Putin marching on to other countries.

[be.open]

The success of the operation is largely due to Russia's dominance in the air and preventive strikes with high-precision weapons on military infrastructure.

Tell me more about their high-precision weapons... Is that Grad, Uragan or Smerch? These "high precision" weapons probably hit civilian objects way more times than they hit military infrastructure. Offcourse, you can always use excuse that civilian object was base of nationalists.

In short, it always arrives strictly only at the place where reconnaissance drones or space satellites recorded firing at the positions of Russian troops. An exception to this rule is military infrastructure objects confirmed by intelligence (military airfields, fuel and ammunition depots, etc.). This operation is also Putin's performance for NATO combat generals, who are closely watching what is happening and they are not brainwashed by inspiring propaganda, they soberly assess what is happening. Putin shows NATO the capabilities of modern Russian weapons and how to fight - without general mobilization, without numerical superiority and without burning entire neighborhoods with fire.

NATO does not get involved in this war - so the lesson is learned correctly. Biden said yesterday that the Kinzhal hypersonic missile is basically nothing special, it's just almost impossible to stop. It flies for 1000 kilometers at a speed of Mach 10 in a cloud of hot plasma, invisible to missile defense radars and at the same time able to maneuver. It is capable of hitting buried objects protected from nuclear weapons or, for example, an aircraft carrier. NATO thought it was a cartoon, because they have nothing like this in their arsenal, but it turned out to be a reality. Didn't the Russian Solntsepek system impress you? This is the one that destroyed the barracks at the express training center for reservists the night before yesterday. For the townsfolk, what is happening is a tragedy, but for the military, it's just work. And the Russian military is doing a good job.

Success?

Of course it's a success. What makes you think that a blitzkrieg was planned? From Russia, about 200 thousand soldiers take part in the operation, against 300 thousand soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (whom the West has been pumping up with weapons for many years and trained by NATO instructors) and with a total length of the front line of 3.5 thousand kilometers. Now look at the map of hostilities (if you do not believe the data of the Russian Defense Ministry, take the data that is published in the West). Or is it presented in the Ukrainian media as a tactical lure of Putin's soldiers to their territory before a decisive march on Moscow?  

So basically, Putin is trying to do the opposite of de-nazification.  

Really?

Inside A White Supremacist Militia in Ukraine (by Time)

Ukraine Neo-Nazis Infiltrate EVERY LEVEL Of Military & Government (by The Jimmy Dore Show)

Ukraine's far-right children's camp: 'I want to bring up a warrior' (by The Guardian)

This is not Russian propaganda, these are investigations and reports from the Western media. Enjoy.

[af_newbie]

The success of the operation is largely due to Russia's dominance in the air and preventive strikes with high-precision weapons on military infrastructure.

Tell me more about their high-precision weapons... Is that Grad, Uragan or Smerch? These "high precision" weapons probably hit civilian objects way more times than they hit military infrastructure. Offcourse, you can always use excuse that civilian object was base of nationalists.

In short, it always arrives strictly only at the place where reconnaissance drones or space satellites recorded firing at the positions of Russian troops. An exception to this rule is military infrastructure objects confirmed by intelligence (military airfields, fuel and ammunition depots, etc.). This operation is also Putin's performance for NATO combat generals, who are closely watching what is happening and they are not brainwashed by inspiring propaganda, they soberly assess what is happening. Putin shows NATO the capabilities of modern Russian weapons and how to fight - without general mobilization, without numerical superiority and without burning entire neighborhoods with fire.

NATO does not get involved in this war - so the lesson is learned correctly. Biden said yesterday that the Kinzhal hypersonic missile is basically nothing special, it's just almost impossible to stop. It flies for 1000 kilometers at a speed of Mach 10 in a cloud of hot plasma, invisible to missile defense radars and at the same time able to maneuver. It is capable of hitting buried objects protected from nuclear weapons or, for example, an aircraft carrier. NATO thought it was a cartoon, because they have nothing like this in their arsenal, but it turned out to be a reality. Didn't the Russian Solntsepek system impress you? This is the one that destroyed the barracks at the express training center for reservists the night before yesterday. For the townsfolk, what is happening is a tragedy, but for the military, it's just work. And the Russian military is doing a good job.

Success?

Of course it's a success. What makes you think that a blitzkrieg was planned? From Russia, about 200 thousand soldiers take part in the operation, against 300 thousand soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (whom the West has been pumping up with weapons for many years and trained by NATO instructors) and with a total length of the front line of 3.5 thousand kilometers. Now look at the map of hostilities (if you do not believe the data of the Russian Defense Ministry, take the data that is published in the West). Or is it presented in the Ukrainian media as a tactical lure of Putin's soldiers to their territory before a decisive march on Moscow?  

So basically, Putin is trying to do the opposite of de-nazification.  

Really?

Inside A White Supremacist Militia in Ukraine (by Time)

Ukraine Neo-Nazis Infiltrate EVERY LEVEL Of Military & Government (by The Jimmy Dore Show)

Ukraine's far-right children's camp: 'I want to bring up a warrior' (by The Guardian)

This is not Russian propaganda, these are investigations and reports from the Western media. Enjoy.

Just google the same thing on Russia.

There are neo-Nazis in EVERY country in Europe.  In Ukraine, they have absolutely no political power, ZERO.

Known Russian neo-Nazis were sent to Ukraine to deNazify Ukrainians, lol.
https://khpg.org/en/1608809502

Your mafia boss is running out of ideas. Just a matter of time before his abused, hungry, frostbitten 'special forces' limp home.
Most of them will stay in Ukraine and become fertilizer.

Watch this 351 episode on lotuseaters:
https://www.lotuseaters.com/the-podcast-of-the-lotus-eaters-351-17-03-2022

[be.open]

There are neo-Nazis in EVERY country in Europe.  In Ukraine, they have absolutely no political power, ZERO.

You are walking on very thin ice trying to justify Nazism. In Russian cities there are no streets of Stepan Bandera, as in forty cities of Ukraine. There are no Nazi torchlight processions in Russia. In Russia, it is not customary to glorify Nazism. If there is something similar in other European countries, the current events in Ukraine are a chance to wonder if they want to continue doing this, risking running into a "denazification" operation. Russian troops are not liberating Ukraine, they are engaged in its "demilitarization". Without an army and weapons, you can jump as much as you like.

[Etranger]

Yeah there must be hundreds of thousands of those "nationalists" in Mariupol alone because Russian forces had attacked nearly every building and they still haven't been able to take the city.

Totally agree with you. There were especially many of them in the maternity hospital, the Nazis (lots of which are jewish, of course, like their clown President) pretended to be pregnant so that they would not be suspected, but noone can fool the majestic russian army like that.

Only here such a question arises. How did russia, which has been declaring such a desperate struggle against the Nazis for so many years that they even have killed Stepan Bandera several times, miss the moment when there were so many of nationalists in Ukraine that entire cities had to be destroyed just to "denazify" them? Didn't they promote their pro-russian rats in the Ukrainian parliament? Didn't they give orders straight from moscow? How did it happen that they had to use such a powerful army for such a long time (after all, a month is not three days) to arrange a massacre of the Nazis? Probably, Azov has been secretly recruiting people all this time, only the stupid one will not understand this. But how could the liberating russia not notice this, if they have everything here "under control"? That`s a tricky question...

[be.open]

Yeah there must be hundreds of thousands of those "nationalists" in Mariupol alone because Russian forces had attacked nearly every building and they still haven't been able to take the city.

Totally agree with you. There were especially many of them in the maternity hospital, the Nazis (lots of which are jewish, of course, like their clown President) pretended to be pregnant so that they would not be suspected, but noone can fool the majestic russian army like that.

Only here such a question arises. How did russia, which has been declaring such a desperate struggle against the Nazis for so many years that they even have killed Stepan Bandera several times, miss the moment when there were so many of nationalists in Ukraine that entire cities had to be destroyed just to "denazify" them? Didn't they promote their pro-russian rats in the Ukrainian parliament? Didn't they give orders straight from moscow? How did it happen that they had to use such a powerful army for such a long time (after all, a month is not three days) to arrange a massacre of the Nazis? Probably, Azov has been secretly recruiting people all this time, only the stupid one will not understand this. But how could the liberating russia not notice this, if they have everything here "under control"? That`s a tricky question...

Is a month too long for you to cover an area the size of the UK? Do not relax there, given the rich traditions of Bandera in Ukraine, there are at least a few more months of total cleansing ahead.

[TwitchySeal]

So basically, Putin is trying to do the opposite of de-nazification.  

Really?

Inside A White Supremacist Militia in Ukraine (by Time)

Ukraine Neo-Nazis Infiltrate EVERY LEVEL Of Military & Government (by The Jimmy Dore Show)

Ukraine's far-right children's camp: 'I want to bring up a warrior' (by The Guardian)

This is not Russian propaganda, these are investigations and reports from the Western media. Enjoy.

My point wasn't that there are zero Nazis defending Ukraine right now.  Obviously there are Nazis on both sides of the battle.  In Ukraine, they basically have no political power and are really only relevant because they are pretty good at fighting and have been recruiting others to join (like any 'good' Nazi anywhere in the world).  

Then there's the Nazis on the other side:

Russian ethnic and imperialist nationalism has shaped the official ideology of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics.[172] Far-right nationalist groups have played a greater role on the pro-Russian side of the conflict than on the Ukrainian side, especially at the beginning.[123][172] Leaders of the Donetsk People's Militia are closely linked to the neo-Nazi party Russian National Unity (RNU) led by Alexander Barkashov, which has recruited many fighters.[172][173][174] A former member of RNU, Pavel Gubarev, was founder of the Donbas People's Militia and first "governor" of the Donetsk People's Republic.[172][175] RNU is particularly linked to the Russian Orthodox Army, a religious ultranationalist unit which is part of the Donetsk People's Militia.[174][176] Other neo-Nazi units include the 'Rusich', 'Svarozhich' and 'Ratibor' battalions, which have Slavic swastikas on their badges.[172]

Here's a pretty detailed paper, I've only gotten through part of it so far https://www.ifri.org/sites/default/files/atoms/files/rnv95_uk_likhachev_far-right_radicals_final.pdf


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