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June 22, 2022, 01:44:45 PM
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Some general is gonna lose his job when (if?) Putin finds out.

No, this won't happen. Important idea of russian high rulers is that no one not responsible for anything (except some special cases).
The problem, that quite the same shit is also in Ukraine. "no one not responsible for anything" - main idea of post ussr countries.


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June 22, 2022, 10:03:39 PM
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Dron kamikaze from Aliexpress wiped out russian oil refinery.

Epic video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFdHIjSFS0s

Maybe you can't understand words (most of them is phrases like "GODDAMMIT motherfucka, epic shit" ) but you can feel emotions of russians from video  Grin

10 seconds before that: "Ukrainian? Of course not."

BTW this buzzing contraption made it 100+ km into Russian-controlled territory. Some general is gonna lose his job when (if?) Putin finds out.

Ukraine cannot confirm nor deny the fact that this was an attack to a legitimate target with a precision drone bought in a "five below" in the US and sent over by regular mail. I repeat, cannot confirm nor deny the price of the drone, the delivery method nor how it was controlled well inside the RF territory.

And now that we have finished with the non-admission non-denial...time for the shit-talk : "in your face Adolf"

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June 22, 2022, 10:38:52 PM
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For Russia, this does not look normal, like a land blockade of its exclave.
Blockade... You're trying to show things worse than they are actually are. It doesn't look normal that Russia is trying to bypass sanctions in this way. And they still can deliver stuff to Kaliningrad hrough sea or air.

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Exclaves are not a problem for Russia as long as good partnerships are maintained with neighboring states. Ukraine and the Baltic States are infected with Nazism and cultivate Russophobia - this exacerbates the issue of a land corridor to Kaliningrad and Crimea. I think this issue will be resolved.
For bad relationships Russia is first to blame. You really shouldn't be surprised that Russia isn't like in Baltic states, Poland or Ukraine, there is more than enough reasons. But I think that these relationships were OK until 2014 - no love, just business. Even until 24th February it was on acceptable level, but no there is no way back.

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There are historical reasons why the Kaliningrad region is part of Russia, and they are quite reasonable. This is not a matter of logic, but a fait accompli.
It's difficult to find strong enough reasons why Kaliningrad is part of Russia. In historical perspective they even have more arguments to own Crimea than Kaliningrad.

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You better follow the Ukrainian hryvnia, the key rate there is now 25%. Grin
It would be strange if hryvnia would be doing strong, considering that country is at war. But at leaste nobody isn't trying to say that it's unstoppable like ruble.

In general, what would Russia get if they get territory of Baltic states? Do they really need Baltic sea, when they have huge ports in St. Peterburg? Do they have any allies left that have borders in Baltic sea? See no logic in conquering those lands.
They wouldn't be able to benefit from Baltic sea ports when their country is under sanctions. More realistic reason that they want to make land road to Kaliningrad and connect it with Belarus through Suwalki Gap. Now Kaliningrad is landlocked by NATO countries. For example, now planes from Minsk to Kaliningrad are forced to fly through... St. Peterburg:
https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1498748699958198277

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June 23, 2022, 05:47:48 AM
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Meanwhile, the cauldron in Gorsky-Zolotoye slammed shut, the report of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine confirms information about the loss of Ukrainian control over the settlements of Loskutovka and Rai-Aleksandrovka. This also creates the prerequisites for the encirclement of Lisichansk.

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Lithuania has created a casus belli by restricting the transit of cargo to the Kaliningrad region. Russia will have to give an adequate response to this demarche.

In general, Russia needs the Baltic states so that the Kaliningrad region ceases to be an exclave. As well as the southern regions of Ukraine, which create a land corridor to the Crimea (and, logically, should be extended to Transnistria through control over the Nikolaev and Odessa regions). This can be considered an operation to restore the territorial integrity of Russia within the boundaries of its self-identity, as a territory with a predominance of the Russian-speaking population.
Lithuania didn't started Kaliningrad blockade like Russia is trying to show. They simply don't allow to transit sanctioned goods through railway of Lithuania, what is normal thing.
For Russia, this does not look normal, like a land blockade of its exclave.



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June 23, 2022, 08:44:40 AM
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Meanwhile, the cauldron in Gorsky-Zolotoye slammed shut, the report of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine confirms information about the loss of Ukrainian control over the settlements of Loskutovka and Rai-Aleksandrovka. This also creates the prerequisites for the encirclement of Lisichansk.

An the limited EU sanctions (not Lithuania, but EU) in Konigsberg create the conditions for a full blockade or Konigsberg. Yes, that RF port that is open to the Atlantic even in winter.

Make no mistake, the day the US decides that Adolf Putin looses in Donbas, the young soldiers in there will die and Putin will loose. That may or may not happen, it can be sooner, later or even never. I would not like to be one of the guys that finds out the hard way.

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Make no mistake, the day the US decides that Adolf Putin looses in Donbas, the young soldiers in there will die and Putin will loose. That may or may not happen, it can be sooner, later or even never. I would not like to be one of the guys that finds out the hard way.
Thank you for worrying about the fate of Russian soldiers, so far everything seems to be fine. A month after the surrender of Azov's militants in Mariupol, it can be said that the Eastern Front has crumbled. Ukraine is losing the battle in the Donbass, and so far no military assistance from the West has been able to change this.

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Make no mistake, the day the US decides that Adolf Putin looses in Donbas, the young soldiers in there will die and Putin will loose. That may or may not happen, it can be sooner, later or even never. I would not like to be one of the guys that finds out the hard way.

Don't stay up nights waiting for that.  Sad to have to break it to you, but you've bet on the wrong horse.  You are starting to remind me of those WW-II Japanese soldiers rescued from uninhabited Pacific islands in the 1960's who thought that the war was still going on and the mighty nation of Japan was going to win and they just need to hold out for a little bit longer.

Fact is that from the standpoint of 'Ukrainian' strategy, tactics, logistics, etc, it's kind of hard to come up with a more effective way to get as many racial slavs killed as possible.  Looking at things from the angle of an ethnic cleansing campaign against the slavs mainly by the 'American' (((neo-conservatives))) makes observations from 'the battlefield' fall into place pretty nicely.


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Make no mistake, the day the US decides that Adolf Putin looses in Donbas, the young soldiers in there will die and Putin will loose. That may or may not happen, it can be sooner, later or even never. I would not like to be one of the guys that finds out the hard way.

Don't stay up nights waiting for that.  Sad to have to break it to you, but you've bet on the wrong horse.  You are starting to remind me of those WW-II Japanese soldiers rescued from uninhabited Pacific islands in the 1960's who thought that the war was still going on and the mighty nation of Japan was going to win and they just need to hold out for a little bit longer.

Fact is that from the standpoint of 'Ukrainian' strategy, tactics, logistics, etc, it's kind of hard to come up with a more effective way to get as many racial slavs killed as possible.  Looking at things from the angle of an ethnic cleansing campaign against the slavs mainly by the 'American' (((neo-conservatives))) makes observations from 'the battlefield' fall into place pretty nicely.



Oh, I will not loose my sleep on it. I am not a Russian inexperienced soldier waiting for the real powers of the world to decide if I live or die (and how).

I am not betting on any horse. The US arms industry super happy with people like you: they are going to be selling weapons from Japan to Lithuania growing double digits. Do you think the RF will experience any real "win" (that is, after leaving thousands of Russian bodies fertilising Ukraine's land)? Nah... sanctions are slower than a M777, but the effects are as inevitable and do not have a range limit.

Once again, you are trying to make this about race. It is not, it is about Adolf's Putin government. They guy is nearly 70 and he knows that he has no more than 5 more good years of life. His position in history as of now is that of another despot that did nothing but grab power and cling onto it despising the Russian people and even more other nationalities in the RF.

He wanted to enter history as a conqueror, as a restaurateur of the old USSR glory under the dominance of Moscow. As of now, he is just the leader that send tens of thousands to die for his own mistakes and pathetic ambitions.

Make no mistake, the day the US decides that Adolf Putin looses in Donbas, the young soldiers in there will die and Putin will loose. That may or may not happen, it can be sooner, later or even never. I would not like to be one of the guys that finds out the hard way.
Thank you for worrying about the fate of Russian soldiers, so far everything seems to be fine. A month after the surrender of Azov's militants in Mariupol, it can be said that the Eastern Front has crumbled. Ukraine is losing the battle in the Donbass, and so far no military assistance from the West has been able to change this.

You do not get it. Ukrainians are defending their country. Surrendering and living under a tyrant is not a life option for those who want to live in freedom. I do understand that this concept is completely unknown and beyond your understanding. You have lived your life under a tyrant and you will die knowing that he has decided what and how happens to you all your life. Other people would rather not live all their life like minions.

Your assertion about what you can "the eastern front" is just wishful thinking. A couple of villages do not make for "a front", but glad to see that you are re-calibrating your expectations. I do agree that the west should be throwing much more help to deter Adolf Putin from continuing the war.

Oh, and tell you friend in the RF not to smoke near refineries.







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https://youtu.be/Eo6w5R6Uo8Y

Curious how the proven gas reserves in Ukraine perfectly match Adolf's Putin plan of invasion. But yeah, sure, the war is because nazis or criminals or Russian culture... F*ck that, this is Putin grabbing gas - and trying to grab the "corridor" skipping Ukraine is just to lay a pipeline that skips Ukraine and dumps their oil & gas right into Eastern Europe.

Again, if the US allows this to happen, I do not see why China would not be next. It is very clear that US has decided that Odessa remains in Ukraine's hands. All that ship sinking over there and the clear capability to strike when and how they wish is a clear warning to Adolf Putin, and I think he got it clear after the Moskva.

Does anyone doubt they could do the same in the Donbas? I think the US plan is to allow Putin to create a couple of statelets as a buffer with NATO and the EU. Once US decides that Putin has the "adequate" amount of land, he will be stopped in his tracks.

This is a war over resources. No wonder Ukraine is fighting hard, they are risking their freedom, their economic future and their existence, and dumbasses here speak of surrendering. Good luck with that.

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Ukrainian refugees face being sent to Rwanda if they travel to the UK without authorisation, Boris Johnson has said in an escalation of government plans to deport those who travel across the Channel seeking sanctuary.

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Ukrainian refugees face being sent to Rwanda if they travel to the UK without authorisation, Boris Johnson has said in an escalation of government plans to deport those who travel across the Channel seeking sanctuary.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/23/ukrainians-who-come-to-uk-illegally-could-be-sent-to-rwanda-johnson-says

Biased. This is not specific to Ukraine but to any refugee arriving to UK without a recognised legal status, which in the case of Ukrainians is very rare, as they fix their papers in Europe. It is a policy from BoJo that is currently under several legal challenges and opposed from even inside the UK.

Having said that, it is technically true, but I doubt very much that it would ever be implemented on Ukrainian citizens.

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June 24, 2022, 01:26:05 PM
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Your assertion about what you can "the eastern front" is just wishful thinking. A couple of villages do not make for "a front", but glad to see that you are re-calibrating your expectations. I do agree that the west should be throwing much more help to deter Adolf Putin from continuing the war.
The degree of your detachment from reality impresses me. It is unlikely that we are talking about a couple of villages, Zolotoe is taken, Gorskoye is being cleared, the flag of the LPR is over the administration building in Gorskoye (the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not even last two days in the boiler, heavy losses and many prisoners). Severodonetsk has been cleared completely, the fighting is now going on in Lisichansk. After the capture and cleansing of Lisichansk, the territory of the Lugansk People's Republic will be 100% completely liberated.

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Good news:

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Russian regions creating it's own military squads. Where they accept only locals. And look into the names of such squads - "«Bяткa», «Пapмa», «Aлгa», «Tимep», бaтaльoн имeни Шaймypaтoвa.". This all local mythology and history. Not Moscow or empire (in that case such squads would be named after empire heroes, like "Cyвopoв" or "Epмaк" )

Russia already has one succesfull case of local army - Chechnya. And as you know, Chechnya ultra independent compared to other regions.

Yes, this squads are created to fight in Ukraine. But as you know, it can't be otherwise, at least from the start. For example: Praetorian Guard had a purpose to protect emperors of Roman Empire. But in fact guardsmen killed more emperors than some "enemies"

Yes, liberated.

Liberated from toilets and washing machines.

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Meanwhile, the cauldron in Gorsky-Zolotoye slammed shut, the report of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine confirms information about the loss of Ukrainian control over the settlements of Loskutovka and Rai-Aleksandrovka. This also creates the prerequisites for the encirclement of Lisichansk.

An the limited EU sanctions (not Lithuania, but EU) in Konigsberg create the conditions for a full blockade or Konigsberg. Yes, that RF port that is open to the Atlantic even in winter.

Make no mistake, the day the US decides that Adolf Putin looses in Donbas, the young soldiers in there will die and Putin will loose. That may or may not happen, it can be sooner, later or even never. I would not like to be one of the guys that finds out the hard way.

It seems you just got front seats

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I would not like to pedal the question of Lithuania in this topic, but I will still add a few words. Lithuania is the little rabid dog of the United States, which barks loudly in any direction the boss from Washington points to. Last year, Lithuania managed to quarrel with China, suddenly preoccupied with the issue of oppression of the Uyghurs and was about to open a representative office in Taiwan. Now she is trying to spoil Russia by interpreting the EU sanctions in her own way. Obviously, this is a provocation with the aim of causing an excessively harsh response from Russia. Well, at the level of verbal interventions, the provocation was a success. There are no real actions yet, we'll see.

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June 24, 2022, 07:33:05 PM
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You're still paying attention to things said on Russian TV and consider it as credible source? They're threatening to turn half of world into radioactive ash for years, and since begining of war it become daily stuff. Well, someone have to replace Zhirinovsky and some of them are really trying hard to do it.

Now she is trying to spoil Russia by interpreting the EU sanctions in her own way. Obviously, this is a provocation with the aim of causing an excessively harsh response from Russia. Well, at the level of verbal interventions, the provocation was a success. There are no real actions yet, we'll see.
You're wrong again. Lithuania didn't interpret sanctions in their own way. Only EU sanctions is applied:
https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/80444/

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June 24, 2022, 09:22:51 PM
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"On Lithuania" - is Russia really that much interested in those Baltic states? Seems that these three small countries has nothing interesting, no resources, no strategic valuable territory, technology. They only resource they have is people.
Lithuania has created a casus belli by restricting the transit of cargo to the Kaliningrad region. Russia will have to give an adequate response to this demarche.

In general, Russia needs the Baltic states so that the Kaliningrad region ceases to be an exclave. As well as the southern regions of Ukraine, which create a land corridor to the Crimea (and, logically, should be extended to Transnistria through control over the Nikolaev and Odessa regions). This can be considered an operation to restore the territorial integrity of Russia within the boundaries of its self-identity, as a territory with a predominance of the Russian-speaking population.

Russia will attack a NATO member? That is, Russia will attack a commensurate or stronger enemy? Well you have jokes!!! Haven't laughed like that in a long time! The maximum that Russia is enough for is to crush a couple of cans of sprats, in front of crazy "Putin's old grandmothers", they will read that the end of the United States and Putin is a great ruler, and when the film crew leaves, these grandmothers will fight to lick the crushed sprats from asphalt - it's tastier than eating expired products that are thrown out of stores! Smiley

By the way, that's what happened. The first statements were direct, we will wipe you off the face of the earth tomorrow." After that, Lithuania completely banned even road transport of any scale. After that, the Russian Foreign Ministry quietly and humbly said "well, we just wanted to deliver by sea" Smiley))) The truth about For some reason, they don’t tell this on all channels, do not tell me why? Smiley
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June 25, 2022, 12:06:19 AM
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I would not like to pedal the question of Lithuania in this topic, but I will still add a few words. Lithuania is the little rabid dog of the United States, which barks loudly in any direction the boss from Washington points to. Last year, Lithuania managed to quarrel with China, suddenly preoccupied with the issue of oppression of the Uyghurs and was about to open a representative office in Taiwan. Now she is trying to spoil Russia by interpreting the EU sanctions in her own way. Obviously, this is a provocation with the aim of causing an excessively harsh response from Russia. Well, at the level of verbal interventions, the provocation was a success. There are no real actions yet, we'll see.

The fact that Kremlin is seriously pissed at Lithuania shows that for once they (Lithuanian government) are doing something right, even if forced by the EU.

For too long the politics in the Baltic states was influenced by the fear of turning the gas off or other "sanctions" from Russia. Too many pro-Russian politicians and just plain morons longing for Soviet times. Finally a chance to clean that shit out, hopefully they won't squander it. It's been 30 years, time to move on.

It's funny how all Russian trolls suddenly discovered that Lithuania actually exists and is very evil. Any nazis there? Kinda slow with the narrative, should have found someone with a swastika tattoo by now.
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June 25, 2022, 12:08:09 AM
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Your assertion about what you can "the eastern front" is just wishful thinking. A couple of villages do not make for "a front", but glad to see that you are re-calibrating your expectations. I do agree that the west should be throwing much more help to deter Adolf Putin from continuing the war.
The degree of your detachment from reality impresses me. It is unlikely that we are talking about a couple of villages, Zolotoe is taken, Gorskoye is being cleared, the flag of the LPR is over the administration building in Gorskoye (the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not even last two days in the boiler, heavy losses and many prisoners). Severodonetsk has been cleared completely, the fighting is now going on in Lisichansk. After the capture and cleansing of Lisichansk, the territory of the Lugansk People's Republic will be 100% completely liberated.

Again, congrats for moderating your expectations. From "we are going to change the government, take Ukraine, remove their military" to... Great news my friends! Our army of psychos has managed to flatten yet another settlement!

Where is the RF picture flag in Severo? Are you trying to jump over a city?

Deteached for reality.. that is so funny. "the army of Ukraine did not last two days"... it has taken a month for the RF psychos to move the front a few kilometres at the cost of many RF soldiers becoming worm beds and an increased pressure from EU and increased support from the US (have you not heard? another 400M in aid).

Your "glorious" army is "gloriously" slow my "deteached" friend and each day your Tyrant Adolf Putin has to foot another bill, Ukraine gets more and more aid and the RF will get more and more sanctions. You cannot afford this war at this pace.

BTW, with a recession coming soon in most of the world and lower crude prices, the Ministry of Kleptocracy and Creative Financing will eventually have to explain to Adolf Putin that he may not have enough to pay for his deplorable attempt of being a page in history books.


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