Bitcointalk.org rules: 13, 21 or 32

[zasad@]

Many of my posts have been merged
"[moderator's note: This post was deleted but its contents weren't. Due to a violation of rule 13, 21 or 32 (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) this post's contents were merged into the first post in a row you've made"

13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours per thread. Bumping multiple threads at the same time is allowed if it's not annoying. [2][e]
21. Old bumps should be deleted. [2]
32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_rules
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=994018.0


I read the rules in Russian and English, and concluded that it is not forbidden to publish updates in the topic, even if the messages are from the same user.

For example my theme
Phala/Khala(Polkadot/Kusama ecosystems)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5355853
I only write about projects in which I invest or plan to invest and expect a good price. Once every 5-7 days I publish the latest important news about the project.

Since August 22, I have published about 15 important news and articles that I have studied and considered important. After 5 months, you will not find a resource where you can read about the interesting events of this project in a convenient format. Try twitter, there is a lot of garbage and advertising and you will spend a lot of time searching for the information you need.

If I break the rules, then I will not publish new posts but edit old ones.
But I don't understand what I did wrong.

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[suchmoon]

If I break the rules, then I will not publish new posts but edit old ones.
But I don't understand what I did wrong.

After more than 24 hours since the last post, you can make a new one. But you have to delete the previous one (merge the contents into the new post if it's still relevant). Looks like you broke rule 21.

[PX-Z]

What I understand is posting "bump" is different from posting an update important or not.

I usually see this in every ann thread that didnt get any reply from different users other than the thread starter.  So you can make an update without deleting your previous reply/updates. Not unless you just make a reply of "bump" to bump the thread in the top of the board.

Now if the mods says that its against the rules, then they should delete most of this kind of upfate (bump) on almost every ann threads on altcoins or even on exchanges board since most of them use this pattern.

[suchmoon]

What I understand is posting "bump" is different from posting an update important or not.

I would agree that rule 21 makes sense with posts that literally say "bump", but it's silly to apply it to a substantial post that has content without being disruptive/annoying to people who read the thread. But it's the mod's interpretation that matters, not mine.

Now if the mods says that its against the rules, then they should delete most of this kind of upfate (bump) on almost every ann threads on altcoins or even on exchanges board since most of them use this pattern.

They probably would if someone reported those posts. Except nobody cares about altcoin threads.

[zasad@]

What I understand is posting "bump" is different from posting an update important or not.

I would agree that rule 21 makes sense with posts that literally say "bump", but it's silly to apply it to a substantial post that has content without being disruptive/annoying to people who read the thread. But it's the mod's interpretation that matters, not mine.

I thought so too. In the Russian translation there was an explanation about "useless messages". But if the moderators consider this a violation, then I will edit my posts.
Fraudulent projects used different accounts and the rules were not violated, and when you write about normal projects, you get complaints.

[Xal0lex]

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If I break the rules, then I will not publish new posts but edit old ones.
But I don't understand what I did wrong.

Posts from one user going one after another should be posted in the topic once a day. If you want to add information to a topic more than once a day, you should add it by editing the post you have already posted. Which is exactly what mprep did in your example.

[zasad@]

Posts from one user going one after another should be posted in the topic once a day. If you want to add information to a topic more than once a day, you should add it by editing the post you have already posted. Which is exactly what mprep did in your example.

I don't post consecutive posts throughout the day.If I publish posts 5-7 days apart, should I merge old posts with new ones so as not to break the rules?
I think that this is a sufficient interval so as not to cause discontent among other users.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Posts from one user going one after another should be posted in the topic once a day. If you want to add information to a topic more than once a day, you should add it by editing the post you have already posted. Which is exactly what mprep did in your example.

I don't post consecutive posts throughout the day.If I publish posts 5-7 days apart, should I merge old posts with new ones so as not to break the rules?
I think that this is a sufficient interval so as not to cause discontent among other users.

I'll tell you what I do, if in the thread I intent to post, the last post is mine, i just copy my last post and then delete the last post. When I make a new post, I paste the old post and use a Horisontal_Rule tag, on the top is the old post so on the bottom is the new post.
You get your thread bumped, you deleted your old post but merging it in the new one.
I never got any complains/deleting form the mods using that technique.

Also if you want you can quote your old post before deleting it, so you know when you posted it as it has the time stamp.

[Xal0lex]

Posts from one user going one after another should be posted in the topic once a day. If you want to add information to a topic more than once a day, you should add it by editing the post you have already posted. Which is exactly what mprep did in your example.

I don't post consecutive posts throughout the day.If I publish posts 5-7 days apart, should I merge old posts with new ones so as not to break the rules?
I think that this is a sufficient interval so as not to cause discontent among other users.

That's weird. I checked all the posts that were deleted due to merging, they had a sufficient period to not violate the rules. I can't say what guided mprep in this case.

[dkbit98]

This is just my interpretation, but maybe moderators think that posting just copy-paste titles with links as low quality post
and most of the merged posts you made looked exactly like that, one or more lines of the and original link.
I would not report this myself if I was a moderator, since this is posted in altcoin section that is usually much lower quality and I don't think this is done for increasing number of posts.

They probably would if someone reported those posts. Except nobody cares about altcoin threads.

Are you sure about that?
Take a look how many posts got reported by Ratimov, and I am sure lot of them are in local altcoin section.
Let's here what moderators have to say, and maybe we find the secret who reported them.
 

[mprep]

In this specific situation, it's rule 21 that applies. While "update"-type posts (like those in your threads) do usually contain valuable content which should be preserved, they're still bumps. While bumps are usually just deleted outright, consecutively posted old "update"-type posts should at least be merged. IMO it's a reasonable middle ground which both preserves the content (while the consecutive posts are deleted, the content from those posts is just copied over to the first post in a row) and reduces bloat arising from consecutive posts (removing the repetition of the thread title, report links, multiple identical signatures, etc.).

Since this is a more obscure case / interpretation of rule 21, AFAIK I don't think I've ever banned anyone for not merging their old substantial "update"-type posts. While I personally don't expect users to constantly worry about merging each and every one of their older consecutively posted "update"-type posts, in cases where I either notice or am notified of such posts I will merge them myself (with one of the notable exceptions being posts that are so massive that merging them hits the max character limit or which are IMO visually massive enough to cause extensive usability issues if merged).

You're free to post new "update"-type posts to your threads though. If an older "update"-type post of yours wasn't posted consecutively (as in the post before and after it are by other users), you don't have to do anything. If there are at least 2 old (a.k.a. not counting your latest one) consecutively posted "update"-type posts, I'd appreciate it if you merged them into one (at least once in a while) though I wouldn't sweat it if you forgot or only do so every X amount of posts / days.

This is just my interpretation, but maybe moderators think that posting just copy-paste titles with links as low quality post
and most of the merged posts you made looked exactly like that, one or more lines of the and original link.
I would not report this myself if I was a moderator, since this is posted in altcoin section that is usually much lower quality and I don't think this is done for increasing number of posts.

They probably would if someone reported those posts. Except nobody cares about altcoin threads.

Are you sure about that?
Take a look how many posts got reported by Ratimov, and I am sure lot of them are in local altcoin section.
Let's here what moderators have to say, and maybe we find the secret who reported them.

This wasn't reported - just part of my long overdue sweep of the first few pages of threads in Altcoin Discussion.

[zasad@]

Thanks for the clarification. I will correct my posts.
It is very sad that there is very little discussion of serious ecosystem projects in the altcoin sections.We all love bitcoin, but how can you not be interested in projects like Interlay/Kintsugi , which will allow decentralized bitcoin trading in many ecosystems without centralized intermediaries.Isn't that a problem for you?

[tbct_mt2]

I thought so too. In the Russian translation there was an explanation about "useless messages". But if the moderators consider this a violation, then I will edit my posts.
Fraudulent projects used different accounts and the rules were not violated, and when you write about normal projects, you get complaints.

It depends on moderator perspective who handles your case. I recall about a topic which was created and had many update posts. It is a service thread and later moderator deleted many update posts. When the topic author created a topic in Meta to ask about it, the answer is exactly what suchmoon said. Update posts are considered as bumps. So it would be merged or include in OP by editing it.

It depends on each moderator when applying rules and assessing update posts.

23. When deciding if a user has broken the rules, the staff have the right to follow their interpretation of the rules

[Mahdirakib]

This wasn't reported - just part of my long overdue sweep of the first few pages of threads in Altcoin Discussion.

Does the moderator merge reported post? I have seen that you merged a lot of post in some topics of gambling section. Were those post reported by the forum members or you have done those randomly? As example: wintomato casino, Playbetr casino. All of the merged posts of PlayBetr weren't made in the same day by the OP. PlayBetr situation is somehow same like zasad@ case.

How the moderators are taking the real consecutive posts? I have reported about 8 consecutive posts which were made by the user Thunderpick here. I have reported on the 8th number post by adding a comment ”8 consecutive posts by newbie. Need to be merged”. The moderator has deleted my reported post only. And there is still 6 consecutive post in the topic which was made by the OP within an hour.

zasad@, don't consider it as a off-topic post. I'm curious about the matter and I want to know that why those actual consecutive posts weren't merged.

[mprep]

Does the moderator merge reported post? I have seen that you merged a lot of post in some topics of gambling section. Were those post reported by the forum members or you have done those randomly? As example: wintomato casino, Playbetr casino. All of the merged posts of PlayBetr weren't made in the same day by the OP. PlayBetr situation is somehow same like zasad@ case.

Most likely reported or I've noticed it while handling some other report(s) in that thread.

How the moderators are taking the real consecutive posts? I have reported about 8 consecutive posts which were made by the user Thunderpick here. I have reported on the 8th number post by adding a comment ”8 consecutive posts by newbie. Need to be merged”. The moderator has deleted my reported post only. And there is still 6 consecutive post in the topic which was made by the OP within an hour.

Don't think I've handled this case / report. Merged the posts, thanks for the heads up.

[Pmalek]

You learn something every day. I honestly didn't know that moderators consider consecutive posts written by the same user as bumps even if they were written several days apart. I am sure that many people would be guilty of doing that themselves without knowing it isn't supposed to be done. It's also obvious that all mods don't apply the same standards and interpret those posts in the same way. As Mahdirakib's example shows, instead of merging, some mods simply delete the posts (probably because it's easier). It boils down to this: whoever makes such consecutive posts thinking they are not against the rules is just gambling. If they aren't reported or seen by the mods, no action will be taken, and the user wouldn't know he is breaking the rules. If they are discovered, the type of consequence will depend on who handles the report.    

[dkbit98]

No, I reported no more than 10-15% of my reports there (~15 000 reports). The main part of the reports was sent in the local section (except altcoin topics, because I haven’t reached them yet) and in the Marketplace section. Altcoin sections do have a lot of junk messages that should be reported, but no one cares.

This is still a very big number for most members... 10-15% from your total reports is somewhere between 1500 and 2250 if I understand correctly.
I don't know exactly in what forum section your report mostly and I think that can only be seen by moderators.
I am not saying you reported zasad posts, and one of the moderators who is also russian speaking already said it was his own initiative.