Neutral trust

[Jsmbugu]

Well I'm here just to get some clarification about why i did receive a neutral trust for trying to warn people from 1xbit scam casino, as everyone can see I'm wearing a signature the clearly warn people from 1xbit not the opposite and i did that because of my mistake about promoting to it on one of their campaign which i was dumb from not reading the rules and thinking that bitcointalk wouldn't let a scam company run a campaign here. Well my excuses now really doesn't matter i got a warning and a negative trust from @logfiles and once i saw it and knew about the truth i removed their signature. I asked forgiveness from all those who got scammed and that i wouldn't do it if i knew. And i started wearing another signature warning people from 1xbit scam.
Today i was surprised to get a new neutral trust from @JollyGood while I'm wearing a signature against the scam and not the opposite. So I'm not allowed to do as well? I can't understand anything really and what should i do now

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[Bitcoin SV]

Today i was surprised to get a new neutral trust from @JollyGood

Because 1xbit is scam.

1xbit ARE MAJOR SCAMMERS

while I'm wearing a signature against the scam and not the opposite.

It's too late to be against this scam after you've been caught

I can't understand anything really and what should i do now

You had to think with your head previously before putting on scamish signatures


1xbit is biggest scam website

[LoyceV]

Today i was surprised to get a new neutral trust from @JollyGood while I'm wearing a signature against the scam and not the opposite. So I'm not allowed to do as well? I can't understand anything really and what should i do now

JollyGood's neutral feedback explains this:

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This user is claiming to be reformed therefore am giving neutral trust for now.

I'd say don't worry about the neutral feedback, it may very well be there forever. If you've truely changed your ways, you could ask logfiles to replace his negative by neutral feedback. If you get out of this with 2 neutral tags and no negatives, I'd say that's not a bad outcome for you.

[rhomelmabini]

It's fine since it's a neutral trust, don't expect a green trust just because you're trying to change and good thing you made a thread about this so those who trusted (gives feedback) your profile will have its voice for explanation.

It may be removed or may change as well depending on what's your behavior across the forum from now on. Consider JG's feedback as an observation on you from here on out. Good luck with that.

[Bitcoin SV]

Today i was surprised to get a new neutral trust from @JollyGood while I'm wearing a signature against the scam and not the opposite. So I'm not allowed to do as well? I can't understand anything really and what should i do now

We will look at your behavior in the future and make a decision on this issue if nothing suspicious is found behind you

Dont worry about neutral trust. If you a good person, everything will turn out well. Give us time to figure it out


P.S: Try to stay away from 1xbit, it's not a good site

[examplens]

I guess JollyGood changed his feedback from negative to neutral because you have accepted the fact that 1xbit are frauds. you should accept this as a positive step in your effort to understand the problem with the promotion of the scam service.
I'm wondering now, did you put such a signature just to get members to remove the red tag from your profile or do you really understand what is wrong when promote scammers like 1xbit?

[TheBeardedBaby]

Since the scam in not moderated, everyone from the TD members decides for himself how to threat this kind of activity. Of course if you advertise a scam project before the project had any scam indications is another story, at least for me.
A recent example is the CatenaX project which had no initial indications to be a scam one, and they held a Sig Campaign with a reputable manager @Hhampuz, but in the beginning of January they went to full exit scam and took the project to the ground. Still minting and selling tokens.

I don't think we can call @Hhampuz or the guys wearing the signatures scam promoters back then.

So it is very tricky when you actually promoting the scam, before or after it know to be one.

In the OP's case I don't know, did he promoted it before it was obvious scam or not.

[The Cryptovator]

How do you expect that the feedback will be reversed instantly if you reverse the signature? And you got another neutral feedback which isn't really surprising to us. Supposed to get more negative if you weren't removed the 1xbit signature. Their shady activities and signature campaign aren't appreciated by a major part of the community hence they leave feedback. Don't be surprised if you get a red tag because of promoting a well-known scam here.  Feedback would be removed by the person who left it. It's not enough just by reversing your signature, you need to prove yourself for a while and then PM him who left feedback.

[Jsmbugu]

I mentioned that the first red trust I'm totally okay with it because it was before i remove the signature of promoting to 1xbit scam. I wasn't really aware of the rules and that moderators can't stop a scam campaign.
The neutral trust i got it after i removed the signature and admitted that i was wrong and what i did wasn't okay to promote for a scam casino. So i started to wear a signature against 1xbit and warn people. I do it because i feel sorry for what i didn't nothing more or less. And I'm not chasing few boxes over my reputation or over innocent people that i may harm by promoting to 1xbit.
I was just wondering why getting a feedback about something i did it's been a while.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

1xbit is biggest scam website

How about you, Faketoshi? So Faketoshi is messing around again! Why don't you get a life, my man?

Today i was surprised to get a new neutral trust from @JollyGood while I'm wearing a signature against the scam and not the opposite. So I'm not allowed to do as well? I can't understand anything really and what should i do now

I assume JollyGood did not see the contents of your signature. He thought you were advertising their website. Technically, you are still advertising but it's going against them so I do not see anything wrong with you wearing the anti 1xBit signature. You need to contact logfiles to change the feedback at least to neutral.

Note: After contacting with JollyGood if they do not remove it then don't worry much about it. Frankly speaking, the neutral feedback will not do much damage for you.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

So it is very tricky when you actually promoting the scam, before or after it know to be one.

In the OP's case I don't know, did he promoted it before it was obvious scam or not.

Obviously, 1xbit have been scammers from their beginnings. I can see scam accusations or negative reviews as far as 2-3 years ago. From what I understand, OP wore their signature recently, which probably made other DT members think he was promoting an established scam company.

Why would you just wear a signature of a company you have no idea about? It was careless from his side.

[LoyceV]

Why would you just wear a signature of a company you have no idea about?

I think that's how most people do it: as long as they get accepted, they don't care what they're promoting. And I'm pretty sure the same applies to most bounty campaign managers that pay in made-up tokens.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If you get out of this with 2 neutral tags and no negatives, I'd say that's not a bad outcome for you.

I second this, OP.  I wouldn't be too worried about your trust page unless you wind up tagged by a DT member (and I haven't checked the list lately, but logfiles's trust gives you an red -1 when I see your avatar).  Lots of members have gotten brutally trolled on their trust pages and have pages full of red--though in those cases, it's never by DT members.  But my point is that nobody would really care even if they were inclined to look at your trust. 

Even bounty managers seem to overlook valid negs given by DT members occasionally, so I wouldn't worry about those two feedbacks you've got (which I suspect will probably be modified if you follow up after some time has passed with the members who gave them to you).

Why would you just wear a signature of a company you have no idea about? It was careless from his side.

I think most members who join new signature campaigns/bounties do exactly that, and personally I don't fault them for it.  If a project/exchange/casino/whatever is new, it's extremely hard to do due diligence prior to joining.  By the time you've figured out if the place is legit, all the spots are taken.  Plus, isn't it better to assume that something isn't a scam until proven otherwise?  Unless it's obviously one, of course.

[decodx]

Even though I included Jsmbugu in the list of 1xbit campaign participants, it seems he only wore their signature for a few days, and he wasn't paid even for one week of their signature campaign. He was accepted into the campaign but declined further participation after receiving the first negative tag from logfiles. This suggests that he may have made an honest mistake that anyone who isn't vigilant enough might make, and that he deserves another chance.

@Jsmbugu, don't worry about the neural tag from JollyGood, and as for the negative tag from logfiles, I'm sure he'll revise it in the future, if you don't fall to the dark side again in the future.

[JollyGood]

Today i was surprised to get a new neutral trust from @JollyGood while I'm wearing a signature against the scam and not the opposite.

I thought you did deserve a red trust for promoting 1xbit because if your eyesight operates well enough to read the $ you would receive for promoting the scam your eyesight should be working well enough to read the negative trust under the 1xbit scammers profile. That should have been interpreted as a warning to stay from them but you did not.

I initially gave you red but then within a few seconds changed it to neutral because I recalled a particular post in a thread I created which was directed at logfiles to consider removing the red trust based on your updated signature. You have TwitchySeal to thank for not receiving a red tag from me: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5347222.msg59128570#msg59128570

So I'm not allowed to do as well? I can't understand anything really and what should i do now

Within this forum, you can do anything you like but be prepared to face the consequences of your actions if you are a force for negativity or on the other hand you can reap the rewards of being a good contributor and helpful member. It is entirely your decision.

My neutral trust will remain for now, it will be revised or removed in future based on your actions. I look forward to reading positive contributions from you as you try to become a more active part of the community.

[logfiles]

@Jsmbugu It's all your fault. You carried a scammer's signature for over 15 days (~ 2 weeks) which mean you advertised a scam. Most of the users I tagged had a 7-day period to remove the scam signatures or get tagged. You had more than enough time to remove the signature.

If I hadn't tagged your account, You would probably still be advertising them by now.

Before I consider changing the feedback
I would like to know if GxSTxV is alt account?

[decodx]

@Jsmbugu It's all your fault. You carried a scammer's signature for over 15 days (~ 2 weeks) which mean you advertised a scam. Most of the users I tagged had a 7-day period to remove the scam signatures or get tagged. You had more than enough time to remove the signature.

I didn't really know this. I thought he removed their signature shortly after being accepted into the campaign because I didn't see him later in the spreadsheet table. My mistake.

[logfiles]

I didn't really know this. I thought he removed their signature shortly after being accepted into the campaign because I didn't see him later in the spreadsheet table. My mistake.

His name was in the spreadsheet for a while (as having joined in week 3)  but the 1xbit scammers removed it sometime after week 4.

He had the signature on for over 2 weeks. It was until i tagged him, that is when he came lamenting in my inbox how he was not aware that 1xbit were scammers. He applied for their campaigns twice, both campaign threads had warnings from different members about 1xbit being a scam. Sincerely, is OP trying to tell us he never saw the warnings?

I was considering changing the feedback, but then I got evidence that OP has another alt he has been farming by self-meriting. This are not acts of a person who claims to not know how the forum works or claims to be reformed.

I am waiting for a response from him for a couple of days. If he doesn't respond. I will mark his alt account too, alongside providing evidence linking the 2 accounts.

[JollyGood]

Thank you for bringing this piece of information to our attention.

I also would like the OP to post here explaining if he controls this account GxSTxV and also how managed to not be aware he was promoting a scam if he wore the signature for that length of time. Maybe he can provide somewhat of a detailed explanation when he sees the activity in the thread.

His name was in the spreadsheet for a while (as having joined in week 3)  but the 1xbit scammers removed it sometime after week 4.

He had the signature on for over 2 weeks. It was until i tagged him, that is when he came lamenting in my inbox how he was not aware that 1xbit were scammers. He applied for their campaigns twice, both campaign threads had warnings from different members about 1xbit being a scam. Sincerely, is OP trying to tell us he never saw the warnings?

I was considering changing the feedback, but then I got evidence that OP has another alt he has been farming by self-meriting. This are not acts of a person who claims to not know how the forum works or claims to be reformed.

I am waiting for a response from him for a couple of days. If he doesn't respond. I will mark his alt account too, alongside providing evidence linking the 2 accounts.

[lovesmayfamilis]

He had the signature on for over 2 weeks. It was until i tagged him, that is when he came lamenting in my inbox how he was not aware that 1xbit were scammers. He applied for their campaigns twice, both campaign threads had warnings from different members about 1xbit being a scam. Sincerely, is OP trying to tell us he never saw the warnings?

I agree with you, all excuses about ignorance look very implausible.
But even more surprising is that he is concerned about neutral trust. This just goes to show that the OP doesn't understand any difference in the trust system, and up to a point, he wasn't bothered by any feedback at all. But one day, his proud nature was hooked by a JollyGood tag. (irony)
The OP just has no idea how happy those who got negative tags from JollyGood before would be, and the tags would change to neutral.
I know JollyGood as someone who rarely changes his mind. There was a time when a moderator who vouched for a person requested a neutral review for an account.
In the history of the OP, a review was changed just like that, but the recipient's dissatisfaction breaks records.

[Jsmbugu]

Well I'm sorry for not being active to clarify some stuff. I started this topic for the reason that i got a feedback after a mistake which I'm trying to fix it and i didn't deny that what i did was wrong i was just tryin to know maybe @jellygood thought i still wearing the signature or that i still promoting for the scam.
What happened after i got a red trust from @logfiles was something that i accepted after all. I participated on the campaign i wore their signature during all that period of i don't know how much exactly about 2 weeks. I made only 7 posts during that. I wasn't so active and i wasn't even aware of the trust system. I wasn't reading the trust of every person but i was sure that bitcointalk wouldn't leave a scam casino to start a campaign and many users already participating on it. My mistake was not knowing that the warnings of every person will be on their trust list and feedbacks. When i read what logfiles written on my trust i started to search and got the answers from the arabic section where i was more active on.
I contacted @logfiles many times explaining all that. Because of what he said that I'm chasing money over anything else and that's totally wrong. If i was willing to promote a scam over my ethics i would continue and let innocent people fall into the scam and get the scam money. But i took the signature off.
After few dags i got another neutral feedback while I'm not wearing any scam signature in the opposite i was trying to warn from this scam casino. So i opened a new thread to see why i got the feedback.
I used my friend's account that i invited to the forum to contact @logfiles because he ignored me. To at least if he could change his feedback to neutral.

I joined the forum on 2016. I'm not that active and i participated on bitvest.io campaign and since than i wasn't checking any news about the campaigns or that there's scammers running signature campaigns without getting banned or stopped. Unfortunately i joined it and paid for my stupidity

I didn't really know this. I thought he removed their signature shortly after being accepted into the campaign because I didn't see him later in the spreadsheet table. My mistake.

His name was in the spreadsheet for a while (as having joined in week 3)  but the 1xbit scammers removed it sometime after week 4.

He had the signature on for over 2 weeks. It was until i tagged him, that is when he came lamenting in my inbox how he was not aware that 1xbit were scammers. He applied for their campaigns twice, both campaign threads had warnings from different members about 1xbit being a scam. Sincerely, is OP trying to tell us he never saw the warnings?

I was considering changing the feedback, but then I got evidence that OP has another alt he has been farming by self-meriting. This are not acts of a person who claims to not know how the forum works or claims to be reformed.

I am waiting for a response from him for a couple of days. If he doesn't respond. I will mark his alt account too, alongside providing evidence linking the 2 accounts.

Yes unfortunately i wore the signature even after their campaign were stopped and i wasn't active to even check that they stopped it for a week.
Once you tagged me i took it off.
That account is for a friend that i used to contact you for ignoring me all this time. But it's you right anyway

[JollyGood]

He had the signature on for over 2 weeks. It was until i tagged him, that is when he came lamenting in my inbox how he was not aware that 1xbit were scammers. He applied for their campaigns twice, both campaign threads had warnings from different members about 1xbit being a scam. Sincerely, is OP trying to tell us he never saw the warnings?

Nice to read your post here, friend  

It would have been extremely difficult or virtually impossible for the OP to not have noticed the red tags under the 1xbit promoters avatar when he applied to join the signature campaigns.

I agree with you, all excuses about ignorance look very implausible.

You are right, something does not add up.

But even more surprising is that he is concerned about neutral trust.

Maybe, but there could be more to this than meets the eye.

This just goes to show that the OP doesn't understand any difference in the trust system, and up to a point, he wasn't bothered by any feedback at all. But one day, his proud nature was hooked by a JollyGood tag. (irony)

The OP is not the first one who open threads about me after getting tagged but he is the first and so far only one to open a thread with a neutral tag.

The OP just has no idea how happy those who got negative tags from JollyGood before would be, and the tags would change to neutral.
I know JollyGood as someone who rarely changes his mind. There was a time when a moderator who vouched for a person requested a neutral review for an account.

It has happened a few times and on occasion I have felt uncomfortable giving in to requests from some DT colleagues who too often give the benefit of the doubt or ignore vital pieces of evidence and request the feedback be removed or revised.

In the history of the OP, a review was changed just like that, but the recipient's dissatisfaction breaks records.

As true as that is, the way you put that made me laugh

Either the OP is totally oblivious to what he did when signed up to promote the 1xbit scammers and all this is just a genuine mistake and error of judgement on his part therefore his dissatisfaction with my neutral tag can be partially explained

or

the fact he used a login of another account to contact logfiles shows the OP in an even more bad light. With the OP aiming to have the negative feedback from logfiles removed, it shows he wants to hold on to the account without any negative trust. Rather than go through all this drama it might have been better for him to register another account and start all over again to build it up.... unless his signature campaigns are the primary factor here.

The problem for the OP now is that he has given the impression he has an alt account too.

And all this in one thread just because of a neutral tag?

[Jsmbugu]

I accepted the red trust since logfiles stoped messaging me back. I got another feedback and i opened a new thread to ask about it. One of the users here suggested to contact logfiles hoping he can make the trust neutral and since he is ignoring me i used my friend's account to do that.
I won't bother anyone anymore. And I'm sorry for promoting for a scamand thank you all for caring.

[shasan]

Well I'm here just to get some clarification about why i did receive a neutral trust for trying to warn people from 1xbit scam casino

I do not think anyone will give you negative trust or neutral trust for warning against a scam gambling site. I think it has been done for the signature you worn of 1xbit. As you are warning and you were not aware about the scam you can ask them privately to remove the negative or neutral trust. And wait for their answer. I think they will remove sooner or latter if you stay promoting scam website.