Crypto stuck in sports betting site, now they want KYC

[FLoving]

I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access. They only require an email address to create an account, and no KYC unless you want to buy crypto directly from them. I will not name the site for various reasons.

Anyways, sometimes I try to login to the site before setting my VPN and it simply tells me I'm in a restricted area. Never had any issues though, I just flip on the VPN and all good. I've been using this site for about 2 months now. Today I logged in and and it was requesting I input my phone number to proceed. It said I can withdraw funds but services were restricted until I enter my phone number. So I created a fake number from Hong Kong, and entered it in. It sent me a code and I entered it. Little did I know Hong Kong  is also banned from this site (I know I know, I was just in a hurry to place a bet). Now my account is locked and they will not allow me access to even withdraw until I go through full KYC.

I have about $1,200 of BTC in there, nothing crazy. If I KYC myself they will simply say I broke their TOS and lock me out forever (I did the research on this already). KYC consists of ID, recent bills, and photo of yourself holding ID. The only piece of information this site has on me is an email address.

I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.

Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.

For asking the help from other people you have to not hurry this time and have to fully know that the person whom help you are asking is fully trusted. If you are fully satisfied with the trust of that person then ask him to recover the funds for you.

You can also do contact with them when you visit any other country any time. When you are in any other country which is not restricted and you contact with them they will find you with that IP and you can ask them to change your phone number and tell them that now you will use this number. You can discuss further details about your shopment to other country they will allow your account.

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[noorman0]

I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access.

Up to this point, if your identity is on the banned list you should admit you have broken the rules. And lucky if you have withdrawn $1.8k which is not legally your right. Actually you are free to try to withdraw that $1.2k as long as the legal consequences are at your own risk. The problem is you want to involve other people from other countries, so you have to explain the risks first instead of you offering your friends part of the money.

I suggest you don't proceed with withdrawing the remaining funds. Verification involving the identity of another person is too risky.

[Quidat]

I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access.

Up to this point, if your identity is on the banned list you should admit you have broken the rules. And lucky if you have withdrawn $1.8k which is not legally your right. Actually you are free to try to withdraw that $1.2k as long as the legal consequences are at your own risk. The problem is you want to involve other people from other countries, so you have to explain the risks first instead of you offering your friends part of the money.

I suggest you don't proceed with withdrawing the remaining funds. Verification involving the identity of another person is too risky.

When legal issues or attached situations is on talks then i doubt that any of his friends or other people would really do that thing for the sake of some amount of money.
You should really mind off the risks once everything get busted and you would really be facing more or serious problem after wards.I do agree into that suggestion
on not to try out to withdraw the remaining amount but i couldnt blame because not all would really be taking lightly of this amount which it might really be
big for someone which isnt enough for them to ignore.

[The Cryptovator]

Sadly you already broke their terms and conditions by using VPN and fake numbers. Though if found someone to do KYC the phone number would be an issue again. Because the phone number you provided is from a restricted country. When you are using gambling sites read their terms and conditions. Violating that would lead to a loss like now. Often gambling sites look to eat your money, so they detect your violation somehow and wouldn't help you in these conditions. But if they are fair enough then likely there is hope. Otherwise hard to withdraw from there.

[Webetcoins]

The number that you put must the number of the country that you use on your VPN but you have entered a number from a different country because your in a hurry. It is your fault anyway. Lesson learned here is do not rush things especially if you know that your already in a risky situation.

The amount is not a big deal for you so why bother your friends? But, if you are sure that this trick would work and your friend will be safe from any risks then go on. Just give something to your friend after finishing the deal. Some sites allows VPN and if this is one of those sites then you should not be afraid of, just tell that you accidentally input a wrong country code.

[Fatunad]

Sadly you already broke their terms and conditions by using VPN and fake numbers. Though if found someone to do KYC the phone number would be an issue again. Because the phone number you provided is from a restricted country. When you are using gambling sites read their terms and conditions. Violating that would lead to a loss like now. Often gambling sites look to eat your money, so they detect your violation somehow and wouldn't help you in these conditions. But if they are fair enough then likely there is hope. Otherwise hard to withdraw from there.

Once you do violate sites terms then dont expect that you would likely able to get your funds back, if it does then your lucky yet giving out reconsiderations would really vary on sites decision if
they would give out some second change or would totally eat up your money.You dont have rights to whine or sue them out because on the time that you had made out registrations then it does
means that you do able to agree sites terms and since you had violated out something then its just right on whatever actions they would made.

[Jawhead999]

This is not about if you give full KYC you'll get your $1,200 but this problem is about you're broking their rules and you need carefully to read their TOS against the penalty of broking their rules, if they stated they reserve the right to terminated your account including your funds... your KYC will be useless. Probably you can do research about am accusations of sports betting site you mentioned above, probably there's similar story and you can see how the sites handled it.

[Reatim]

I'm from the states and have been using a betting website to do some light sports betting. They do not allow US citizens and so I used a VPN to gain access. They only require an email address to create an account, and no KYC unless you want to buy crypto directly from them. I will not name the site for various reasons.

Have you checked the site if they are allowing people to use VPN? because if not(and I am certain it is) then you are truly in trouble here because you violated their Terms of Service/condition.

I have friends who have friends in other countries. Some of those friends of friends live in impoverished countries. What's stopping me from using them to KYC my account and then giving them a piece of the stuck funds? I would only need to gain access to retrieve the funds and would not continue to use the account or website.

Is this a good idea and do you think it will work? Worth the $1,200? My only hesitation at this point is asking the friend and they go through the hassle but then it goes sideways and still do not gain access to my account.

you can perform here but the thing is that are you sure they will going to give you the funds or will run with it since you cannot come to hunt them for that amount , remember in Online you cannot trust everyone specially someone you meet over internet.

[Kakmakr]

Yes, this is the latest trend with most of these new casinos...

1. They start by allowing EVERYONE to join, without any KYC requirements.... because they are building their Bankroll.

2. When they large enough and they have a big Bankroll, they simply implement KYC requirements to go legit and they piss on non-KYC users.

You run the risk that you might lose ALL the money by using someone in foreign countries, because these casinos run logs and they can see what the IP addresses were, before you verified your account and now suddenly someone from a "legit" country signs on with a different IP to verify.

Also, the "friends" in that other country might run with your money. (So I hope you trust them) 

[Beparanf]

Yes, this is the latest trend with most of these new casinos...

1. They start by allowing EVERYONE to join, without any KYC requirements.... because they are building their Bankroll.

2. When they large enough and they have a big Bankroll, they simply implement KYC requirements to go legit and they piss on non-KYC users.

You run the risk that you might lose ALL the money by using someone in foreign countries, because these casinos run logs and they can see what the IP addresses were, before you verified your account and now suddenly someone from a "legit" country signs on with a different IP to verify.

Also, the "friends" in that other country might run with your money. (So I hope you trust them) 

Sad reality. Casino is your friend if you keep losing money to them and allow multiple deposit without any problem on KYC but once you're gonna withdraw money from them, They will pull out this well known trick and use There ToS against there user so that they will not have any problem about legality since its written on there terms that user agree during registration process.

[xSkylarx]

Well, I believe my recommendation is to give it a shot or to contact customer service. You have a very slim chance of getting your money back because it is against their terms of service, so your money is gone for good. What you should do now to give yourself some peace of mind is try to contact the support and explain the situation. We don't know if they allow it, but we'll try using a VPN to bypass their security, but if they do, it will only last a week before you're banned. So try to contact them via message and tell them the truth.

[kotajikikox]

Since you are only asking for 12 hundred dollars amount , and I'm sure this is not that big for you as from States , then why not gamble to let that friend of your friend to present KYC for you? then split the funds in 3 equal parts and give them the 1 part as service fee(that will cost you at least 400$ ) but it is best than being caught of cheating as I believe that gambling site does not allow players not just from US but also to use VPN.

[Slow death]

You should move this topic on gambling discussion board because this topic is related to casino with Bitcoin involve. Move it on this board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=228.0.

The casino will just use it against you in case you KYC using other person identity because they will detect the change of IP once your friend login your account to do it. Can you exposed the name of the casino so that we can help you to raise concern to them if ever they have an official account here. Overall your case is very crucial because you didn't read there ToS before you play. This is the common way of Casino to get free money from there user that playing on restricted country and using VPN to dodge it.

Does your 1200$ worth of Bitcoin is came from winnings? Because Casino always use this reason incase players won.

My bad, I'm new here and was looking for the right board. Not sure how to even move it? repost?

I hessite to add their name because if they are on here I'm pretty use it's an automatic TOS violation and then I'm 100% screwed.

I've deposited around $400 and withdrawn about $1,800 so far, with $1,200 still in the account. Yeah so that's all winning money in there...

from what you said you made a good profit on this site, and from what i read your situation can't be fixed, because you used a phone number from a restricted country, what you should do is forget that $1200 and look for a site that is in accordance with your country and start playing. your luck in this case is that you came out with a profit, it would have been worse if you had come out with a loss

[noormcs5]

Sadly you already broke their terms and conditions by using VPN and fake numbers. Though if found someone to do KYC the phone number would be an issue again. Because the phone number you provided is from a restricted country. When you are using gambling sites read their terms and conditions. Violating that would lead to a loss like now. Often gambling sites look to eat your money, so they detect your violation somehow and wouldn't help you in these conditions. But if they are fair enough then likely there is hope. Otherwise hard to withdraw from there.

In this case, if the gambling site refuses to pay, no one can call them scam and unfortunately they have the rights to not return the funds.  We need to comply the site rules and if we bypass the restrcitions using vpn or any other fake verficatin metods, there is  a risk of losing money in case the sites get to know about it.
If sites require KYC, then never use VPN to by pass the restrictions only becasue your country is banned. Why it is so important to play at the banned sites when lots of other legit sites are avaiable ?

[passwordnow]

Well, I believe my recommendation is to give it a shot or to contact customer service.

I would refrain giving it a try. If he do something like what he's planning and the casino finds it out then there's more trouble to his money. It's better for him to talk seriously with the customer service and be outright on what has happened.
Things can be done peacefully if it's being made through talks and I think that the casino will spare him as it is his fund and didn't came from nowhere. There's a chance that he'll be given consideration.

[ethereumhunter]

Since you are only asking for 12 hundred dollars amount , and I'm sure this is not that big for you as from States , then why not gamble to let that friend of your friend to present KYC for you? then split the funds in 3 equal parts and give them the 1 part as service fee(that will cost you at least 400$ ) but it is best than being caught of cheating as I believe that gambling site does not allow players not just from US but also to use VPN.

I think that reason is reasonable and acceptable but what about her login? Because the casino can easily detect someone not from the country, he usually uses.

Even if his friend from a different country can help with KYC verification, the casino can still know. Maybe the only thing he can do is tell the truth about what happened to him and if the KYC terms aren't too onerous for him, maybe he can try for KYC verification.

[TimeTeller]

Well, I believe my recommendation is to give it a shot or to contact customer service.

I would refrain giving it a try. If he do something like what he's planning and the casino finds it out then there's more trouble to his money. It's better for him to talk seriously with the customer service and be outright on what has happened.
Things can be done peacefully if it's being made through talks and I think that the casino will spare him as it is his fund and didn't came from nowhere. There's a chance that he'll be given consideration.

The chance of getting the funds back with sincere talks with the customer rep is better if the site is a known reputable casino here.
But if not, high likely that the site will freeze his funds because he is using the site from prohibited countries.
The OP should also check the terms of the site regarding the use of VPN on the casino.
If the site is allowing VPN, then he has good hope to get the funds back even using his own credentials.
Because the problem with asking from a friend is that, it will suddenly give a different IP, which is very different from his previous recorded IPs.
Which will give the site more suspicion about his account. So for me, it is better to talk with the site about the real status of his account.

[Obito]

Well, money laundering in gambling is a thing so I think that we should expect that kind of thing from happening, KYC is inevitable no matter how much we hate it because these businesses will eventually come to a point where they have to choose between the people and their interests.

[dustboy]

Can you share which casino you are talking about? Do they have official announcement thread or representative in this forum? If they have it, maybe you can post your issue in their thread and you may get better responses and solution for your issue. Although you have made a mistake by using VPN to bypass country restriction, but you are lucky enough that you have made a withdrawal without issue. Mostly, once a casino noticed that you came from restricted countries, the casino will block you and not asking you KYC.

[maydna]

@OP made his first mistake by creating a fake number from Hongkong, and now, I do not think the casino will let him withdraw the money. It is a complicated situation wherein @OP wants to withdraw his money, but he can not verify himself and prove that he lives in Hongkong since he is from another country.

What if you consult with the support system? Perhaps, they will have another policy regarding your cases. But I am still not sure if you can withdraw the money after verifying your account.