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March 18, 2022, 07:08:40 PM
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Bitcoin should be stopped

Environmantal impact of BTC is growing in geometric progression

Wake up! Blind fools!
there's no point in you screaming about this FUD because those who are already in love with bitcoin will find it hard to hate it.  based on the weather forecast agency report in my country, my country has a fairly high level of pollution and none of it is caused by Bitcoin (though there are many bitcoin miners here)

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March 24, 2022, 06:49:32 AM
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BTC continues to be more secure than any other PoW coin.  For that reason, it will outlast the multitude of cheap imitations out there.
Yeah, it is not about PoW being great that makes Bitcoin the most secure and consistent chain, it is bitcoin that is doing it itself. There are other PoW systems out there which are not as strong or secure as bitcoin, which is a proof that PoW itself is not the reason for it, if it was then other chains would have been as secure as well. We are goign to see a PoS with ETH and see how they will do, if they do great then it will be great for them, if they do terrible then it would be another proof that PoS is not the solution.

There is nothing wrong with asking to get more greener, we just haven't found a way to do that just yet, as soon as we find a method that is as secure and more green then we would probably move there.
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March 24, 2022, 02:14:13 PM
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I often hear the massive Fuds like the expression, even Haters will continue to look for reasons to say that Bitcoin is not worthy of appreciated, but a strong community makes things more creative, carbon pollution of the world is certainly from the industry I'm sure if all world pollution in data then bicoin Mining is no more than 0.00000001%.
but we cannot allow the consumption of energy using fossil fuels to continue to be so high because this will accelerate the energy crisis in the future and as the best solution we must switch to renewable energy which is of course environmentally friendly so that mining is no longer the reason for many countries and some people to narrow the progress of bitcoin
although it's difficult but I'm sure bitcoin will be able to pass this challenge

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March 24, 2022, 02:37:06 PM
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If you are a "CO2 kills plants" believer...  Then yup; I am a very bad terrorist!  Whoehoe Smiley

Just like the crazy fact that lots of people here are Pro-Ukraine Neo-Nazi lovers, instead of seeing the real problem over there...


But who cares, there are to many dumb people living on this planet these days.
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March 24, 2022, 03:00:16 PM
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Bitcoin should be stopped

Environmantal impact of BTC is growing in geometric progression

Wake up! Blind fools!
there's no point in you screaming about this FUD because those who are already in love with bitcoin will find it hard to hate it.  based on the weather forecast agency report in my country, my country has a fairly high level of pollution and none of it is caused by Bitcoin (though there are many bitcoin miners here)
Judging from the environmental impact caused by mining BTC is a very strange thing, because for some countries and especially countries in Asia really consider this as a joke smart people as a whole. because for countries in Asia, the nature that exists can still be called a paradise to enjoy the air, and consider BTC miners as a natural thing. even for gold miners it is blatantly a bad deed and can have dire consequences for countries that do it greedily without regard for healthy nature.
So, if the media continues to release stupid debates like this, then I consider it something that has ulterior motives because of its free nature.
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June 18, 2022, 07:35:11 AM
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Thank God bitcoin collapsing and stop polluting the planet

Long live the new world order

Era of bitcoin was gone
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June 18, 2022, 10:59:11 AM
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OP is a funny man who is only entertaining ideas and opinions that are against Bitcoin. Now, he should be aware that if people will be rejecting Bitcoin for any reason they are rejecting the whole of cryptocurrency and BSV is still part of this industry which means it would be rejected too. In fact, when BTC is falling down, there is more chance that the value of BSV is doing the same thing as it is not detached from the whole industry. Of course, OP will all be silent or probably be looking for another reason of attack once the crypto winter is over...and it would be over based on the history of Bitcoin. My next question is: How come BSV has not overtaken BTC yet in many areas if it is really superior to the latter?

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June 18, 2022, 11:55:40 AM
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No problem, give us supply from hydro electric power and other natural sources we are fine with it unless and until the power is not steady. Since school days I’m learning that we are getting affected with the green house effect, I’m wondering how come they have not done anything since last 15 years! In fact they increased car production, rocket launches, number of flights increased and guess what everyone has air conditioners in their homes from developing countries as well. They are direct miners of CO2 and fumigations. Come on this is really question of for how long and what’s the alternate solutions. (Also I thought china does not mine anymore after their ban)
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June 18, 2022, 12:05:49 PM
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Thank God bitcoin collapsing and stop polluting the planet

Long live the new world order

Era of bitcoin was gone

You just do your job, it's okay. Bitcoin is still fulfilling its mission, today bitcoin is priced at $ 20k and bitcoin has dropped from $ 69k to $20k. I don't feel sad, you may have forgotten that btc has only been around for 13 years and was originally an asset worth less than $1 and each bitcoin is now worth more than $20k, it has grown several hundred thousand times and there is no asset in the world that ever did what bitcoin did.

Thank you for praying for a bitcoin price drop for giving me the opportunity to buy bitcoins cheap. I missed bitcoin at $1, $3k and now I want it lower so I don't have to regret it again.

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June 19, 2022, 04:41:54 AM
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Bitcoin is still fulfilling its mission, today bitcoin is priced at $ 20k and bitcoin has dropped from $ 69k to $20k. I don't feel sad, you may have forgotten that btc has only been around for 13 years and was originally an asset worth less than $1 and each bitcoin is now worth more than $20k, it has grown several hundred thousand times and there is no asset in the world that ever did what bitcoin did.

Thank you for praying for a bitcoin price drop for giving me the opportunity to buy bitcoins cheap. I missed bitcoin at $1, $3k and now I want it lower so I don't have to regret it again.
this BTC ponzi trap is designed for fools like you exactly

Open your eyes. Bitcoin is dead
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August 27, 2022, 06:25:09 AM
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Bitcoin is a pollution-creating mess

Few statistics on the environmental impact of Bitcoin mining
-Bitcoin uses more renewable energy than most countries
-Bitcoin mining is currently estimated to account for about 0.5% of global electricity consumption
-Now Bitcoin has a carbon footprint equivalent to Greece
-Only seven mining companies own almost 80% of all computer power on the network
-Bitcoin mining currently uses 66 times more electricity than in 2015
-In 2009 the cost of mining took a few second’s worth of household electricity, in 2021 the cost was worth 9 years of household electricity
-A single Bitcoin transaction results in the same carbon footprint as a traveler flying from New York to Amsterdam.

In an article on CNN Business written by Jon Sarlin “Bitcoin is a pollution-creating mess”. Despite efforts to make the energy-intensive mining process friendlier to the environment, it has grown significantly more reliant on fossil fuels over the past year.

China's cryptocurrency mining ban in the spring of 2021 significantly worsened Bitcoin's environmental impact, according to a new research on mining published in Joule. It is because Bitcoin miners were tapping into a significant amount of Chinese hydropower which suddenly evaporated when China made mining illegal, said Alex de Vries, one of the study's authors and a researcher at the School of Business and Economics at the Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam.

So miners took their business elsewhere, including countries using significantly dirtier energy than China. Electricity sources powering the Bitcoin network were just 25.1% renewable in August 2021, nearly 17 percentage points lower than the 2020 average.

Mining Bitcoin each year produces as much pollution as Greece created in 2019, the study found. A single Bitcoin transaction results in the same carbon footprint as a traveler flying from New York to Amsterdam.

"After China banned Bitcoin mining, everyone was expecting it to become more green, but we are somewhat surprisingly seeing the opposite happening." said de Vries. "A lot of the hydropower these miners got previously in China has now been replaced with natural gas from the US."

Bitcoin mining is still booming in the United States. According to the study, many of the American Bitcoin mines are powered by natural gas and coal. Kentucky now offers subsidies to crypto miners, looking to attract business for the state's coal industry.

Kazakhstan has also become a destination for Bitcoin miners. According to the study, the country's electricity grid is reliant on hard coal, which is even more polluting than the coal used in China.

The hydropower behind China's Bitcoin mines was often held up by cryptocurrency advocates to rebut criticism about the technology's environmental impact.

In May, Coinbase — one of the largest cryptocurrency marketplaces — published a "fact check" citing China's hydroelectric plants in trying to undermine the idea Bitcoin contributed to climate change.

Coinbase did not respond to CNN's questions on whether it stood by its fact check in light of China's cryptocurrency crackdown, but said in a statement it believes "the industry is innovating at an encouraging pace to solve these challenges... Community-led change is possible and crypto can be part of the fight against climate change if we come together to solve these challenges."

What is Bitcoin Mining?
In short, Bitcoin mining is the process of creating, or ‘winning’, new Bitcoins by solving increasingly difficult mathematical puzzles - a process called proof-of-work (PoW). While at its beginnings these puzzles could be solved with normal computers (CPUs), Bitcoin’s creator, Satoshi Nakamoto, designed a system where over time, as competition for Bitcoin mining grew, the mathematical puzzles would become more difficult to solve. Therefore, over the past decade, as the price of Bitcoin - and the possible profit from mining them - has skyrocketed, better technology has become indispensable to solve these puzzles.

Miners now use specialised computers, called ASIC systems, that are much more efficient per attempt (or hash) of the puzzle - therefore increasing the likelihood of being the first to solve the puzzle and reaping the newly mined Bitcoin, but also increasing the amount of energy required to power these computers.

ASIC systems, although more energy efficient than normal computers, require more electricity since they are typically kept running incessantly, and also require energy to cool down the hardware to prevent from overheating, either with internal fans or with air conditioning.

How long does it take to mine one Bitcoin?
The answer to this question is not as straightforward as one might think as the procedure is becoming more complex and requires so much processing power.

However, there is a Bitcoin mining calculator called the NiceHash calculator that may help you better understand. It will not tell you directly how long it will take to mine 1 Bitcoin but there is an easy way to find out. Go to the calculator, select which mining rig you’re going to use and then increase the number of devices until you can see that you’re earning 1 Bitcoin per month.

For example, based on the current hash rate it would take fourteen S19 Pros to mine 1 Bitcoin per month. Or, put differently, one S19 Pro could mine 1 Bitcoin in 14 months (not accounting for a rise in hash rate over time).

This calculator is the easiest way to figure out how long it will take you to mine 1 Bitcoin.

https://arcticportal.org/ap-library/news-list/2783-bitcoin-is-a-pollution-creating-mess
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August 27, 2022, 07:54:14 AM
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Few statistics on the environmental impact of Bitcoin mining
-Bitcoin uses more renewable energy than most countries

That's a positive characteristic, you gormless cretin.  It's good that we're using renewable sources of energy.  If you're going to talk FUD, at least do it right.   Roll Eyes

And you are clearly still envious of Bitcoin's energy use and resulting security, because no one wants to mine your worthless, collapsing fork-coin.  The only reason shit-vision does not use as much energy as Bitcoin is because it's a joke and no one's cares about it.  It's weak and insecure.  

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August 27, 2022, 08:26:34 AM
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I hope you don't use a car nor ride a bus for your transportation. You must be riding a bicycle or a tesla on your regular transportation. However it's also made of materials that were mined using energy that emits high carbon. The future is green energy and bitcoin can also mined thru green energy. But even current bitcoin mining is still nothing and very small compared to huge carbon emissions from factories and daily activities like cars. 

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August 27, 2022, 09:21:52 AM
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Few statistics on the environmental impact of Bitcoin mining
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Mining Bitcoin each year produces as much pollution as Greece created in 2019, the study found. A single Bitcoin transaction results in the same carbon footprint as a traveler flying from New York to Amsterdam.
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https://arcticportal.org/ap-library/news-list/2783-bitcoin-is-a-pollution-creating-mess

Why don't you look at your own carbon footprint and in particular observe how many BSV miners are running on non-renewables, and then take your garbage posts to Twitter.

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August 28, 2022, 01:54:34 AM
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whatever other members' responses about bitcoin the OP will still deny it because he is a Craig Steven Wright cult group with Bitcoin SV which he says is the real Bitcoin. For some reason it always attacks bitcoin, even though Bitcoin SV was born from a bitcoin fork and uses the name "Bitcoin". This kind of FUD is intentionally made for the bitcoin community, but I don't think there's any point in making this kind of FUD, because everyone today is smart and can discern the hidden intentions and hidden goals of Craig Steven Wright's loyal followers.
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August 29, 2022, 12:37:51 AM
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It is not only Bitcoin that is an environmental menace. Everything that uses electricity is an environmental menace. But we need to develop sustainable energy that doesn't emit greenhouse emissions. This should be the goal. Not villianise Bitcoin for killing the environment.

But the fact that we are not pursuing sustainable energy - this is true. This needs to change.
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August 29, 2022, 02:18:02 AM
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when compared to miners such as petroleum, coal and others who have been around for a long time, and Bitcoin miners who are only 1 decade old, the impact of damage to the earth caused by bitcoin mining is not much.
even though both of them caused mischief on this Earth
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August 29, 2022, 02:39:03 AM
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Everything and everyone in this world evolve, so does bitcoin, there was a time when mining cost of Bitcoin was far lower than what is today. However as the cost of mining has soared. This debate has been in public space for quite some time. Firstly I think there is solution to every problem. Maybe Bitcoin too will move into proof of stake concept in future or something else. However for now we have to eat the cost. It's as simple as that. No ifs and buts..
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August 29, 2022, 02:57:07 AM
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at op

Wtf are you talking about.

oil burning and coal burning  since 1900 has to be 999999 not btc and 1 btc.



btc does 220eh at 50 watts a th.

this is 220000000th x 50 = 1,100,000,000 watts an hour or 1,100 megawatts an hour.

about the same as 26,400 meagwatts a day

but world output is  25,000,000 mega watts a day

so btc is 1/1000 of the worlds power.

and of course you leave out that  from 1900 to 2009 btc burned 0


and you leave out how much mega watts in solar are funded by btc.

my partner fourm member buysolar and i have made 500 kwatts of solar arrays. they generate over 5 megawatts a day. buysolar has built 50 megawatts of arrays in NJ  Some of them like ours were fully financed by btc.

So lets say a minimum of 10 megawatts daily are being generated by us because of btc.

We are not a giant solar company. Just one of many in New Jersey.


New Jersey added 3800 mega watts  of solar last year.

A lot is because of btc. It is a big tool for getting solar built.


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August 29, 2022, 03:21:16 PM
Last edit: August 29, 2022, 03:39:30 PM by XZERO1
Merited by philipma1957 (1)
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There are tons of comparisons between Bitcoin mining versus other day to day use, and the power consumption of Bitcoin mining is very VERY small in comparison, it's almost nothing.

Check this one for instance:


Source:Bitcoinmagazine


BitcoinSV maximalists are even trying?, at least come up with something that is not so easy to disprove with shitload of data and charts.

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