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February 18, 2022, 03:07:20 PM
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@BenjaminGlover i don't think it possible to happen in my personal opinion because surely people will still choose the traditional currency than bitcoin no matter what happen especially government. And its not necessarily to make war because it's useless wherein the decisions still depends on our government.
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February 23, 2022, 12:11:57 PM
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Using bitcoin or adopting bitcoin is a choice that can be taken or not. If the cons with bitcoin might just ban it without having to fight because of the pros and cons of bitcoin.
Bitcoin will not be a threat to Fiat. Fiat and Bitcoin can go hand in hand and have their respective functions.
So some developing countries or developed countries can choose what to do. adopt it or not, it depends on each regulation without having to go to war.
It must be remembered that states can decide to legalize cryptocurrencies, but they will not actively support cryptocurrencies. Cryptocurrency is needed to a greater extent by people, but not by states. Therefore, the states will definitely not fight among themselves because of the cryptocurrency. People can protest against their government's decisions regarding cryptocurrencies, and this confrontation can be long.

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February 23, 2022, 12:32:16 PM
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Authoritarian governments would very certainly fight to maintain their use of money as a control device.


Do you anticipate a future in which there is a large-scale battle between pro-and anti-Bitcoin nations?


I don't believe that's a very likely scenario, but it's a concept I've had, and I'd want to hear your thoughts on it.

Thanks!

It is possible if somehow Bitcoin's user case  goes beyond or compared to oil, as this natural resource is somehow the start of every war in some countries. If we see through there is no possible reason. Maybe if Bitcoin is link to a resource which is on demand in every country, and maybe if those countries who mange to secure the resource wouldn't accept any payment aside from Bitcoin, then it could mean war.
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February 23, 2022, 05:23:49 PM
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Authoritarian governments would very certainly fight to maintain their use of money as a control device.


Do you anticipate a future in which there is a large-scale battle between pro-and anti-Bitcoin nations?


I don't believe that's a very likely scenario, but it's a concept I've had, and I'd want to hear your thoughts on it.

Thanks!

It is possible if somehow Bitcoin's user case  goes beyond or compared to oil, as this natural resource is somehow the start of every war in some countries. If we see through there is no possible reason. Maybe if Bitcoin is link to a resource which is on demand in every country, and maybe if those countries who mange to secure the resource wouldn't accept any payment aside from Bitcoin, then it could mean war.

Right there, you know you cannot even compare Bitcoin to oil in this sense. Oil is a physical natural resource of a country that has it but is Bitcoin a natural resource in any country? No one country is the owner of Bitcoin so why would you even think that no matter how Bitcoin eventually grows that countries can go to war for it? So when a country invades others cos of Bitcoin, they go and steal their mining rigs or confiscate their wallets Grin
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February 23, 2022, 05:52:57 PM
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Authoritarian governments would very certainly fight to maintain their use of money as a control device.


Do you anticipate a future in which there is a large-scale battle between pro-and anti-Bitcoin nations?


I don't believe that's a very likely scenario, but it's a concept I've had, and I'd want to hear your thoughts on it.

Thanks!

No, because it is not going to happen that bitcoin will rule the world, the government is centralized therefore centralization will stay. The government could ban bitcoin if they want to, of course, we don't want that to happen, so let us not think that bitcoin will be able to defeat fiat or any government as they are so powerful to protect their interest.

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February 23, 2022, 06:37:37 PM
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so let us not think that bitcoin will be able to defeat fiat or any government as they are so powerful to protect their interest.
Plus, bitcoin don't usually work offline so it's useless having bitcoin to pay or transfer in a place where you can't connect to the internet considering not all place have internet.

Also, having legal tender is not equivalent to official local currency so I don't think it will be related to government's interest.

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February 23, 2022, 07:27:56 PM
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Do you anticipate a future in which there is a large-scale battle between pro-and anti-Bitcoin nations?
Internal financial policy of a country isn't a reasonable reason to generate conflicts with another countries. A country can't start threating another just because they passed bitcoin as legal tender. If a war like that happened, there should be another reasons involved on the backgrounds which would be intensifying the rage and desire to fight from both sides.

On the other hand, bitcoin is an useful tool for economical wars and not direcly martial wars: if an enemy country wants to weak and sabotage a bitcoin friendly country, they could try doing this through market price manipulation. Dumping bitcoin on purpose during a critical moment would affect an enemy nation which relies on bitcoin for their economical progress.

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February 23, 2022, 07:40:19 PM
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Do you anticipate a future in which there is a large-scale battle between pro-and anti-Bitcoin nations?
This is very impossible. You can't go to war over what you don't privately own or that's my thought and I think that's the case of bitcoin. It's own by no one and still own by everyone.

The best we could hope for and could very much be a reality is an incorporation of both bitcoin and fiat currencies within a nation for merchants that might be willing to accept it and perhaps fiat might be subjected to government own institutions to ensure a broader usage.

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February 23, 2022, 08:33:23 PM
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Authoritarian governments would very certainly fight to maintain their use of money as a control device.


Do you anticipate a future in which there is a large-scale battle between pro-and anti-Bitcoin nations?


I don't believe that's a very likely scenario, but it's a concept I've had, and I'd want to hear your thoughts on it.

Thanks!

Interesting thought. And, yes, I believe one day this could be an issue - mostly where the more powerful governments try to take the Bitcoin from smaller governments.

I was thinking about this as I tried to pay my Internet bill in El Salvador with the provider Claro.

They would not accept my Bitcoin and only accept Lightning, which is very frustrating.

But from a technical standpoint, you can see there are only 3 channels connecting to all of El Salvador (which has $BTC has legal tender).



I know there has been war over this ... and points on both sides, but aside from being inconvient to not be able to pay with BTC (without setting up LN), do you think having such limited number of channels to an entire nation state would make this more or less of a problem for El Salvador in particular?

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February 23, 2022, 08:36:20 PM
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Authoritarian governments would very certainly fight to maintain their use of money as a control device.


Do you anticipate a future in which there is a large-scale battle between pro-and anti-Bitcoin nations?


I don't believe that's a very likely scenario, but it's a concept I've had, and I'd want to hear your thoughts on it.

Thanks!
This is never going to happen, it is true that at some point governments could be divided and classified as pro-bitcoin and anti-bitcoin, however this is not going to escalate to a battle or to war, so do not worry abut a scenario like this because it is never going to happen, and even if there will be countries that most likely will remain against bitcoin for a very long time, like China, I do not think that even them will have the resources to stop bitcoin from being used on their countries despite their negative posture.

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There will be no war here, I think you are overvaluing bitcoin. War only happens because of power struggles, asserting sovereignty...Bitcoin is simply a profitable investment asset or currency traded on the internet. if we want to own them as long as we have the money, we can buy them anytime we want.



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February 24, 2022, 04:35:35 AM
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Do you anticipate a future in which there is a large-scale battle between pro-and anti-Bitcoin nations?

It will be difficult for such war to happen to bitcoin because many countries has tested bitcoin in so many ways to know if it will survive from where decentralized currency is, but it has proven to the world the reason why it was created by Satoshi. Many countries has achieved so much profits from bitcoin investment that will make them to legalized bitcoin because of the unemployment and poor economy bitcoin has reduced in the country.  Based on the good results some government in the world have received from  bitcoin during the time of pandemic that collapsed so many things in the communities, that was causing bitcoin users to achieve massive income during the period.

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Do you anticipate a future in which there is a large-scale battle between pro-and anti-Bitcoin nations?

Thanks!
There will be no war here, I think you are overvaluing bitcoin. War only happens because of power struggles, asserting sovereignty...Bitcoin is simply a profitable investment asset or currency traded on the internet. if we want to own them as long as we have the money, we can buy them anytime we want.


That is correct, and it is extremely exaggerating that people will go to war as a result of cryptocurrency. We can all agree that one of the primary reasons for war is to gain power or resources. With bitcoin, I do not believe this is the case, but there will be a lot of discussion online about pro and con bitcoin, but I do not believe a war will break out as a result of this. Let us just take pleasure in the bitcoin because it is our opportunity to make money, and therefore we should have no time for war.
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February 24, 2022, 05:53:39 AM
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Authoritarian governments would very certainly fight to maintain their use of money as a control device.

Do you anticipate a future in which there is a large-scale battle between pro-and anti-Bitcoin nations?

I don't believe that's a very likely scenario, but it's a concept I've had, and I'd want to hear your thoughts on it.
No, because it is not going to happen that bitcoin will rule the world, the government is centralized therefore centralization will stay. The government could ban bitcoin if they want to, of course, we don't want that to happen, so let us not think that bitcoin will be able to defeat fiat or any government as they are so powerful to protect their interest.
BTC to rule the world? I think that's crazy. Btc can be stronger due to adoption and its price can go higher but it does not get to a point that it rules everything. It is still a currency and will remain there and like you said, the government is still more powerful than everything. They can do what they wanted to.

No need for a fight because btc is not looking for a fight but if there are fights that will happen, that fight will only be country vs country and not country vs btc. Fights in the country have other reasons and not because of currencies related matter I believe. War's are not good for all of us including in btc so lets hope everyone will be in peace now.
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Do you anticipate a future in which there is a large-scale battle between pro-and anti-Bitcoin nations?

Thanks!
There will be no war here, I think you are overvaluing bitcoin. War only happens because of power struggles, asserting sovereignty...Bitcoin is simply a profitable investment asset or currency traded on the internet. if we want to own them as long as we have the money, we can buy them anytime we want.
Besides a war will not resolve anything even if a country that was pro-bitcoin was conquered by a country that was against it this will not stop bitcoin, as bitcoin was not created by a government but by an individual and its decentralized nature makes it impossible to destroy, so all of this idea of a war happening because of bitcoin is simply too dramatic and it is something that we are never going to see no matter how strong the opposition against bitcoin could become.

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