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February 28, 2022, 08:11:35 AM |
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What happened:Hello guys, Let me inform you about a website that I believe is a SCAM. Oraminers.com are advertising themselves in google and when I opened the website to check, what they are offering, my attention was caught by the usual pop-up message for SCAM websites, that someone had bought something some time ago. Usually, this massage in other SCAM websites says that the purchase happened a day, a week, a month ago, but in this website every message show that some people had made a purchase within the last 4 hours. I spent 10 minutes in this website and it earned something like 100 000 dollars. It must be the most profitable website in the whole world. The address that they have given in the website is a building of UBS bank in Switzerland. They claimed to be company with name ORA AG - https://opencorporates.com/companies/ch/1061017 , but when I checked the purpose of the company it turns out to be consultations about and dealing with real estate. The domain is 3 months old – 27th of November. Domain Name: oraminers.com Registry Domain ID: 2657797052_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.webnic.cc Registrar URL: webnic.cc Updated Date: 2021-11-27T17:08:25Z Creation Date: 2021-11-27T17:07:52Z Expiration Date: 2022-11-27T17:07:52Z Registrar: WEBCC Registrar IANA ID: 460 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: @webnic.cc Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +60.389966799 Domain Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok Registry Registrant ID: Not Available From Registry Registrant Name: Sasa Ibisevic Registrant Organization: ORA A.G. Registrant Street: Obstmarkt 1 Registrant City: Herisau Registrant State/Province: APPENZELL AUSSERRHODEN Registrant Postal Code: 9100 Registrant Country: CH Registrant Phone: +41.782321667 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: +0.0 Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: @gmail.com Registry Admin ID: Not Available From Registry Admin Name: Sasa Ibisevic Admin Organization: ORA A.G. Admin Street: Obstmarkt 1 Admin City: Herisau Admin State/Province: APPENZELL AUSSERRHODEN Admin Postal Code: 9100 Admin Country: CH Admin Phone: +41.782321667 Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +0.0 Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email: @gmail.com Registry Tech ID: Not Available From Registry Tech Name: Sasa Ibisevic Tech Organization: ORA A.G. Tech Street: Obstmarkt 1 Tech City: Herisau Tech State/Province: APPENZELL AUSSERRHODEN Tech Postal Code: 9100 Tech Country: CH Tech Phone: +41.782321667 Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: +0.0 Tech Fax Ext: Tech Email: @gmail.com Name Server: NS09.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Name Server: NS10.DOMAINCONTROL.COM DNSSEC: unsigned URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/ >>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2021-11-27T17:08:25Z <<< Reference Link: https://oraminers.comAdditional Notes: Please give your opinions as well. Is oraminers.com a SCAM, because I think it is.
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February 28, 2022, 12:22:15 PM |
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They most probably are scammers!! Domain name is new and the phone number does not work! Nice catch @smooki3! You have eliminated another scammer competitor of yours that sels Goldshell and Jasminer, not to mention that the fake negative reviews from trustpilot have a particular pattern! SCAMMERS busting SCAMMERS!!! what wonderful times to live in ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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February 28, 2022, 04:48:03 PM |
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Nice catch @smooki3! You have eliminated another scammer competitor of yours that sels Goldshell and Jasminer, not to mention that the fake negative reviews from trustpilot have a particular pattern! To be honest, he didn't eliminate anyone here, these scammers are still there and will continue to operate despite all this warnings that we write here. All he did is that he warned bitcointalk members of that site and that's about it. Unfortunately, not even that is enough to save some members for falling for these kind of scams. SCAMMERS busting SCAMMERS!!! what wonderful times to live in ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) If you think that OP is scammer as well and he is just doing this to eliminate the competition, I suggest you to open scam accustaion thread in this board and provide the evidence as from what I can see, he doesn't have any negative feedback yet.
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February 28, 2022, 06:52:46 PM |
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SCAMMERS busting SCAMMERS!!! what wonderful times to live in ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) If you think that OP is scammer as well and he is just doing this to eliminate the competition, I suggest you to open scam accustaion thread in this board and provide the evidence as from what I can see, he doesn't have any negative feedback yet. [/quote] evidence can be found here @Rikafip: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5381978.msg59017808@smooki3 forged evidence on other scam websites to protect his ows scams but no worries I'm taking all of his website down one by one, by posting here his competitors I can easely find his websites and take them down ahah ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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February 28, 2022, 11:43:00 PM |
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evidence can be found here @Rikafip: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5381978.msg59017808@smooki3 forged evidence on other scam websites to protect his ows scams but no worries I'm taking all of his website down one by one, by posting here his competitors I can easely find his websites and take them down ahah ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Could you please help point out where there is a clear connection between him and the said scam site in the linked post you shared. I am trying to connect the dots, but failed. I can only see another fake account that were trying to promote the scam site.
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March 01, 2022, 03:22:17 AM |
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evidence can be found here @Rikafip: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5381978.msg59017808@smooki3 forged evidence on other scam websites to protect his ows scams but no worries I'm taking all of his website down one by one, by posting here his competitors I can easely find his websites and take them down ahah ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Could you please help point out where there is a clear connection between him and the said scam site in the linked post you shared. I am trying to connect the dots, but failed. I can only see another fake account that were trying to promote the scam site. what scam site do I promote? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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March 01, 2022, 06:56:32 AM |
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Yeah I read the whole topic and evidence that you provided in my opinion its simply not enough to tag him, at least for me and looking at that topic other DT members that were commenting there came to the same conclusion. If you really think that he is scammer protecting his own scam website by eliminating competition, you should leave him negative feedback. Could you please help point out where there is a clear connection between him and the said scam site in the linked post you shared. I am trying to connect the dots, but failed.
Yeah same here. All we got there is circumstantial evidence at best but nothing clar that would make me tag that user.
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March 01, 2022, 05:03:56 PM Last edit: March 01, 2022, 06:10:39 PM by oraminers |
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There's a few things we would like to point out regarding the situation:
1. Our neighbor is indeed UBS Bank, we are inside the same corporate building, there are more than two companies. 2. We are ORA AG, we accept payment by bank transfer to our corporate banking account in Switzerland! 3. Our company has a starting capital of 100.000 CHF (Swiss AG) 4. The "pop-up" you are referring to does not exist on our website
This is an obvious attempt of defamation and we will contact Bitcointalk staff for a resolution.
Friendly Regards, Stefan Koch
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March 01, 2022, 07:38:05 PM Last edit: March 02, 2022, 10:42:36 PM by Mr. Big |
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There's a few things we would like to point out regarding the situation:
1. Our neighbor is indeed UBS Bank, we are inside the same corporate building, there are more than two companies. 2. We are ORA AG, we accept payment by bank transfer to our corporate banking account in Switzerland! 3. Our company has a starting capital of 100.000 CHF (Swiss AG) 4. The "pop-up" you are referring to does not exist on our website
This is an obvious attempt of defamation and we will contact Bitcointalk staff for a resolution.
Friendly Regards, Stefan Koch
Prove you are legit and share your business details here so we can check them, also why is your domain name so new?
Yeah I read the whole topic and evidence that you provided in my opinion its simply not enough to tag him, at least for me and looking at that topic other DT members that were commenting there came to the same conclusion. If you really think that he is scammer protecting his own scam website by eliminating competition, you should leave him negative feedback. Could you please help point out where there is a clear connection between him and the said scam site in the linked post you shared. I am trying to connect the dots, but failed.
Yeah same here. All we got there is circumstantial evidence at best but nothing clar that would make me tag that user. Mate, never mind! I know what I have to do regarding @smooki3! The problem is that users of this forum are always scammed even if they are warned on this forum because they think like you and other members here that don't see the small details and connect the dots! I rly don't care and I'll keed chasing @smooki3 till he has no more breath! cheers!
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March 01, 2022, 09:17:44 PM |
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There's a few things we would like to point out regarding the situation:
1. Our neighbor is indeed UBS Bank, we are inside the same corporate building, there are more than two companies. 2. We are ORA AG, we accept payment by bank transfer to our corporate banking account in Switzerland! 3. Our company has a starting capital of 100.000 CHF (Swiss AG) 4. The "pop-up" you are referring to does not exist on our website
This is an obvious attempt of defamation and we will contact Bitcointalk staff for a resolution.
Friendly Regards, Stefan Koch
Prove you are legit and share your business details here so we can check them, also why is your domain name so new? Please find our VAT: CHE-414.083.678 You may see our address is registered at the correct address.
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March 01, 2022, 09:36:17 PM Last edit: March 01, 2022, 09:54:19 PM by Rikafip |
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The problem is that users of this forum are always scammed even if they are warned on this forum because they think like you and other members here that don't see the small details and connect the dots! I rly don't care and I'll keed chasing @smooki3 till he has no more breath! cheers!
What you obviously don't understand is that I personally don't trust @smooki3 or that he has legit intentions here, but you simply didn't provide enough evidence for me (or any other forum member that looked into this so far) to tag smooki3. As simple as that. And don't you worry about me not being able to connect the dots and see the small details here as I busted, tagged & flagged hundreds of scammers here on the forum but circumstantial evidence is not good enough. He may very well do what you claim. but there is absolutely no proof that he is behind this linzhi.cn.com just because he didn't make a thread about them yet. I mean, in one of his posts he even says that Linzhi.io confirmed him that they are the only ones selling Linzhi Phoenix miner. I start searching for some information about evominers.com and asked the official manufacture Linzhi.io about this website. Unfortunately they answered me that this sale is fake and I can buy Linzhi Phoenix only from them. So now I'm left here without money and without miner.. Don't make my mistake.
By the way, is there any post where he said that linzhi.cn.com is legit?
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March 01, 2022, 09:51:29 PM |
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what scam site do I promote? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) And who says you promoted any scam site? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Stop being so emotional and overactive and read my previous reply again. I read your linked thread and didn't see any connection except some other scam profile. So how is the scam profile connected to smooki3? That's what we want to know here.
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March 01, 2022, 09:59:29 PM Last edit: June 12, 2023, 08:28:38 PM by stompix Merited by Bitcoin_Arena (3), Rikafip (1) |
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This is an obvious attempt of defamation and we will contact Bitcointalk staff for a resolution.
Yeah, do it! Support is at 6969 666-666! Before that, you might wanna explain this? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftalkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2023%2F06%2F12%2FAKw9d.jpeg&t=665&c=J5NLdXYnCeeY6Q) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftalkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2023%2F06%2F12%2FAKHa5.jpeg&t=665&c=Eym-e54fRLrW2g)
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March 01, 2022, 10:07:12 PM |
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This is an obvious attempt of defamation and we will contact Bitcointalk staff for a resolution.
Yeah, do it! Support is at 6969 666-666! Before that, you might wanna explain this? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FUb42mAZ.jpeg&t=665&c=Zqt6xW4hKCWqGw) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FtSf7GkP.jpeg&t=665&c=p1b6GZ_GOyHeng) haha! Busted!
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March 01, 2022, 11:26:10 PM |
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This is an obvious attempt of defamation and we will contact Bitcointalk staff for a resolution.
Yeah, do it! Support is at 6969 666-666! Before that, you might wanna explain this? I love how you just exposed the scammers ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) There is definitely no comeback for oraminers at this juncture, though I would be interested in their next excuse. I am flagging and negging them. Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2918
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There's a few things we would like to point out regarding the situation:
1. Our neighbor is indeed UBS Bank, we are inside the same corporate building, there are more than two companies. 2. We are ORA AG, we accept payment by bank transfer to our corporate banking account in Switzerland! 3. Our company has a starting capital of 100.000 CHF (Swiss AG) 4. The "pop-up" you are referring to does not exist on our website
This is an obvious attempt of defamation and we will contact Bitcointalk staff for a resolution.
Friendly Regards, Stefan Koch
I'll see if you receive me on Saturday at your store, how real this site is. I talked to you this week and we asked you about the L7 antminer, you said you have 4 available. if everything is ok i want to buy them all. but I prefer to come to Switzerland to be sure of what I buy!
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We ordered an Antminer from ORA AG using oraminers.com and paid it using bank transfer to UBS Switzerland Herisau account of ORA AG. Delivery was first delayed because all 10 Antminers of the type ordered were already sold for oreders using Bitcoin. This happened even 10 were left when we ordered it and oraminers.com showed 9 letf after order was issued. Stefan Koch ORA AG confirmed however by email that they are getting a full container of Antminers and shipping by March 15th. I checked with DHL and they did not find any package sent by ORA AG. I started checking ORA AG and found discussion started one day before our order in Forum. By April 1, we filed a police report in Finland which could not be processed as assumed crime had happened outside Finland. Our bank Fraud department tried to get payment back from UBS Herisau but ORA AG bank account had balance of 0.00. After this I started process to get get Swiss Police to investigate this case. Now all materials have been delivered to Switzerland and we wait how case is progressing.
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We ordered an Antminer from ORA AG using oraminers.com and paid it using bank transfer to UBS Switzerland Herisau account of ORA AG. Delivery was first delayed because all 10 Antminers of the type ordered were already sold for oreders using Bitcoin. This happened even 10 were left when we ordered it and oraminers.com showed 9 letf after order was issued. Stefan Koch ORA AG confirmed however by email that they are getting a full container of Antminers and shipping by March 15th. I checked with DHL and they did not find any package sent by ORA AG. I started checking ORA AG and found discussion started one day before our order in Forum. By April 1, we filed a police report in Finland which could not be processed as assumed crime had happened outside Finland. Our bank Fraud department tried to get payment back from UBS Herisau but ORA AG bank account had balance of 0.00. After this I started process to get get Swiss Police to investigate this case. Now all materials have been delivered to Switzerland and we wait how case is progressing.
It's quite sad and a shame that you had to discover this thread only after you had been scammed. It should not be how you do things on the internet, most especially if you are going to send to a service you have never used before. Always look for such threads and reviews before any transaction, trust me, you will never get scammed again.
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