Who will Replace Russian Gas Supplies to Europe?

[pooya87]

If most of the countries will start paying in Ruble - this will be a game changer. This will change the whole economy of the world.
The petrodollar deal is the basic deal which has kept dollar powerful - what would happen if the Ruble gets the same fame as dollar? Of Course the Ruble will rule.

I'm glad to see others saying this.
The days of Petrodollar are over already with emergence of 2 confronting power blocs in the wold (East versus West). All these alliances from BRICS to SCO have been working towards this day. Funny enough this bloc consist of a far bigger economy, have largest land and resources and have biggest populations among themselves!

Petrodollar isn't going to completely go away though because Europeans who politically have no power for themselves and are practically US colonies, are forced to continue using it. That means US will not fall apart as long as EU is.

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[galambo]

I'm glad to see others saying this.
The days of Petrodollar are over already with emergence of 2 confronting power blocs in the wold (East versus West). All these alliances from BRICS to SCO have been working towards this day. Funny enough this bloc consist of a far bigger economy, have largest land and resources and have biggest populations among themselves!

Petrodollar isn't going to completely go away though because Europeans who politically have no power for themselves and are practically US colonies, are forced to continue using it. That means US will not fall apart as long as EU is.

Remember 1973 oil crisis when few Gulf countries created shortage of oil by stopping the oil supply? USA make sure through regime change in KSA that this never happens again and till date Gulf countries rulers are puppets of usa.
Its a good move by Russia to accept payment in rubble for oil export, may be this can be copied by other oil exporting countries also in future to break the supremacy of USA.
Europe no doubt are also acting like colony of usa and they say what usa says.

[Freeesta]

I'm glad to see others saying this.
The days of Petrodollar are over already with emergence of 2 confronting power blocs in the wold (East versus West). All these alliances from BRICS to SCO have been working towards this day. Funny enough this bloc consist of a far bigger economy, have largest land and resources and have biggest populations among themselves!

Petrodollar isn't going to completely go away though because Europeans who politically have no power for themselves and are practically US colonies, are forced to continue using it. That means US will not fall apart as long as EU is.

Remember 1973 oil crisis when few Gulf countries created shortage of oil by stopping the oil supply? USA make sure through regime change in KSA that this never happens again and till date Gulf countries rulers are puppets of usa.
Its a good move by Russia to accept payment in rubble for oil export, may be this can be copied by other oil exporting countries also in future to break the supremacy of USA.
Europe no doubt are also acting like colony of usa and they say what usa says.

After the Second World II, Europe was destroyed and weakened. It was necessary to build houses again and rebuild cities. And the USA has played its part. The role of the lender. There were no military operations on the territory of the USA. Thus, most of the European countries became dependent on the United States and this situation has been preserved to this day.

[nicedreams]

Hope after this shitshow from Gas and Oil price hike. Every country should initiate what the French did back in 70s when the 1973 oil crisis hit them hard and forced them to switching to the nuclear powerplant. Less dependent on to Gas and Oil cartels that try their best to milk up everyone based on world events.

[pooya87]

Remember 1973 oil crisis when few Gulf countries created shortage of oil by stopping the oil supply? USA make sure through regime change in KSA that this never happens again and till date Gulf countries rulers are puppets of usa.

It is the Persian Gulf and the name should tell you who rules it. The 19 Greek ships that are not allowed to leave it because they seized only one of our tankers should also tell you who has the last say and what US can do which is nothing.
Those teeny tiny countries you are talking about such as UAE, Bahrain, Qatar and Kuwait are fake "countries" that were created to be Western puppets. Some of them don't even have as much population as one of our small cities nor have enough history has some of the trees that have existed for centuries in Iran! Nobody cares about them.
Only Saudi Arabia is a big player but we also saw what happened to their oil production when the poorest country in ME attacked them and cause their oil production to be cut by half!

Keep in mind that you can't really compare 1973 with today since that is before Iran's revolution which means it was before Iran stopped being a US colony.

P.S. one more thing I should add is that even these colonies don't listen to US anymore. Recently they rejected their boss's demand to sanction Russia and they openly said they are going to continue their good relations with Russia and they are also getting close to China which is against another demand of their boss

Its a good move by Russia to accept payment in rubble for oil export, may be this can be copied by other oil exporting countries also in future to break the supremacy of USA.

This was actually started by Iran years before Russia even thought of it. Right now we are discussing usage of a new currency among the Eastern block that could be something similar to euro.

[mm2543363580]

This was actually started by Iran years before Russia even thought of it. Right now we are discussing usage of a new currency among the Eastern block that could be something similar to euro.

The country is either Sovereign or Colony. I think the statement which Russians issue have a a great message.
What EU has done - without realizing what disaster they have done to the world.

[galambo]

It is the Persian Gulf and the name should tell you who rules it. The 19 Greek ships that are not allowed to leave it because they seized only one of our tankers should also tell you who has the last say and what US can do which is nothing.
Those teeny tiny countries you are talking about such as UAE, Bahrain, Qatar and Kuwait are fake "countries" that were created to be Western puppets. Some of them don't even have as much population as one of our small cities nor have enough history has some of the trees that have existed for centuries in Iran! Nobody cares about them.
Only Saudi Arabia is a big player but we also saw what happened to their oil production when the poorest country in ME attacked them and cause their oil production to be cut by half!

Keep in mind that you can't really compare 1973 with today since that is before Iran's revolution which means it was before Iran stopped being a US colony.

P.S. one more thing I should add is that even these colonies don't listen to US anymore. Recently they rejected their boss's demand to sanction Russia and they openly said they are going to continue their good relations with Russia and they are also getting close to China which is against another demand of their boss

Gulf countries are just slaves of USA and slaves can't say anything to master. If they are not listening to usa on Russian sanctions then this doesn't mean they are rebellion now, it's just that USA can bear this disobedience. Gulf states are in full control of usa, 100% military weapons of these Gulf countries comes from usa. These countries don't even know how to use them, while USA enjoy selling them since it tightens usa grip on these Gulf countries.

[pooya87]

If they are not listening to usa on Russian sanctions then this doesn't mean they are rebellion now, it's just that USA can bear this disobedience.

It is far more complicated than that.
It starts from the fact that US has been on a downward spiral and has been getting weaker every year. Even the colonies are recognizing this so they are increasing the pressure on US to get more benefit from being a colony. For example US hasn't sold any medium+ range weapons to any of them so they filled the gap with China, that angered US but they couldn't do anything about it!

Gulf states are in full control of usa, 100% military weapons of these Gulf countries comes from usa. These countries don't even know how to use them, while USA enjoy selling them since it tightens usa grip on these Gulf countries.

I strongly disagree. It is just that US weapons have been grossly useless and it has been proven many times. For example when Yemenese attacked these Arabs none of the defenses that US had sold them worked. You are saying that the Arabs don't know how to use them but what about when the same people attacked US bases in Saudi Arabia and the same weapons operated by US military personnel protecting US military personnel also didn't work at all?

[mm2543363580]

I strongly disagree. It is just that US weapons have been grossly useless and it has been proven many times. For example when Yemenese attacked these Arabs none of the defenses that US had sold them worked. You are saying that the Arabs don't know how to use them but what about when the same people attacked US bases in Saudi Arabia and the same weapons operated by US military personnel protecting US military personnel also didn't work at all?

Today I was watching a documentary how US has toppled 100 governments in the world and how for their benefits they have changed and destroyed the countries.
Russia maybe wrong in attacking Ukraine. But Russia cannot be defeated. Europe has to go back to Russia for the oil and gas - for sure.

[bustabitsboy]

I strongly disagree. It is just that US weapons have been grossly useless and it has been proven many times. For example when Yemenese attacked these Arabs none of the defenses that US had sold them worked. You are saying that the Arabs don't know how to use them but what about when the same people attacked US bases in Saudi Arabia and the same weapons operated by US military personnel protecting US military personnel also didn't work at all?

Today I was watching a documentary how US has toppled 100 governments in the world and how for their benefits they have changed and destroyed the countries.
Russia maybe wrong in attacking Ukraine. But Russia cannot be defeated. Europe has to go back to Russia for the oil and gas - for sure.

This is what will happen in the near future. No one can replace gas and oil from Russia, and we must be prepared for this. Now there are global changes in the world and they will continue for many more years. But we all know which country has what and what it produces. And our desires to change this fact are useless. After a while, peace will come and everything will return to its place.

[galambo]

It is far more complicated than that.
It starts from the fact that US has been on a downward spiral and has been getting weaker every year. Even the colonies are recognizing this so they are increasing the pressure on US to get more benefit from being a colony. For example US hasn't sold any medium+ range weapons to any of them so they filled the gap with China, that angered US but they couldn't do anything about it!

I strongly disagree. It is just that US weapons have been grossly useless and it has been proven many times. For example when Yemenese attacked these Arabs none of the defenses that US had sold them worked. You are saying that the Arabs don't know how to use them but what about when the same people attacked US bases in Saudi Arabia and the same weapons operated by US military personnel protecting US military personnel also didn't work at all?

Well differences apart, USA military equipment is still most reliable and modern in the world far ahead of what China and Russia are producing. Gulf countries from day one have not focused on developing military themselves rather they still rely on USA for all there defense. USA is in every gulf country for there defense like Doha, Kuwait, KSA. You cant just have a strong defense by buying expensive weapons from west, it takes years of hard work and indigenization.

[Sithara007]

Well differences apart, USA military equipment is still most reliable and modern in the world far ahead of what China and Russia are producing. Gulf countries from day one have not focused on developing military themselves rather they still rely on USA for all there defense. USA is in every gulf country for there defense like Doha, Kuwait, KSA. You cant just have a strong defense by buying expensive weapons from west, it takes years of hard work and indigenization.

Not quite sure about that. Recently Russia has been able to produce quality defense equipment at fraction of the price that the Americans pay for their equipment. One good example is that of the S-500 air defense system. It is cheaper than the American Patriot system, and much more inexpensive. The same can be said about the ICBMs as well. SS-18 Satan remains the most powerful ballistic missile manufactured till date. And I believe that Russia has also won the competition for the fifth-generation fighter aircraft. The Sukhoi Su-57 is rumored to be much more capable when compared to Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.

[mm2543363580]

Well differences apart, USA military equipment is still most reliable and modern in the world far ahead of what China and Russia are producing. Gulf countries from day one have not focused on developing military themselves rather they still rely on USA for all there defense. USA is in every gulf country for there defense like Doha, Kuwait, KSA. You cant just have a strong defense by buying expensive weapons from west, it takes years of hard work and indigenization.

Not quite sure about that. Recently Russia has been able to produce quality defense equipment at fraction of the price that the Americans pay for their equipment. One good example is that of the S-500 air defense system. It is cheaper than the American Patriot system, and much more inexpensive. The same can be said about the ICBMs as well. SS-18 Satan remains the most powerful ballistic missile manufactured till date. And I believe that Russia has also won the competition for the fifth-generation fighter aircraft. The Sukhoi Su-57 is rumored to be much more capable when compared to Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.

Today I watched a documentary on Iran and US-regime change and found out how USA played an important role in toppling the government of Dr Musadag for the oil reservoir for Uk. The oil producing countries are always on the hit list of USA and this is happening in Russia as well. But Russia is not Iran or Iraq they have strong defence and they will not step back.

[be.open]

Well differences apart, USA military equipment is still most reliable and modern in the world far ahead of what China and Russia are producing. Gulf countries from day one have not focused on developing military themselves rather they still rely on USA for all there defense. USA is in every gulf country for there defense like Doha, Kuwait, KSA. You cant just have a strong defense by buying expensive weapons from west, it takes years of hard work and indigenization.

Not quite sure about that. Recently Russia has been able to produce quality defense equipment at fraction of the price that the Americans pay for their equipment. One good example is that of the S-500 air defense system. It is cheaper than the American Patriot system, and much more inexpensive. The same can be said about the ICBMs as well. SS-18 Satan remains the most powerful ballistic missile manufactured till date. And I believe that Russia has also won the competition for the fifth-generation fighter aircraft. The Sukhoi Su-57 is rumored to be much more capable when compared to Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.

Su-57 is an excellent fifth generation fighter, thrust vectoring engines allow it to perform incredible aerobatics, such as a flat spin (however, the Su-35S can do this, albeit not with such ease). A very beautiful aircraft, it is currently being tested in combat conditions in Ukraine as part of a flight of four fighters that operate in a coordinated network as one. The ability of the Su-57 to maneuver is incredible and seems to be limited only by the ability of the pilots to physically withstand the resulting G-forces.

[Rikafip]

The oil producing countries are always on the hit list of USA and this is happening in Russia as well. But Russia is not Iran or Iraq they have strong defence and they will not step back.

You think that Russia is any better in that regard? They would do the same thing USA is doing all around the world if they were capable of doing it. But since they aren't, they have to satisfy with conquering bunch of smaller neighbouring countries. Or you think that they became the largest country in the world peacefully?

No one can replace gas and oil from Russia, and we must be prepared for this.

While I am against sanctions as they are completely useless, Europe will eventually figure things out and find the replacement. It won't of course happen over night but it will in a couple of years. If this drags on (and it probably will), life standard in Europe will go somewhat go down, while Russia will crumble like USSR did since they learned nothing from that failed experiment.

[DrBeer]

Biden to send another $1 billion in military aid to Ukraine

The situation is not as straight as it looks like, on one side they saying Russia has invaded Ukarine and on other side USA is continuously selling arms to Ukarine so that they can beat Russia. USA is in win-win situation, if ukarine wins its a victory for USA and even if Ukarine falls then USA has nothing to lose. The only one suffering from this war are people of Ukarine for whom no one is thinking. Big powers must sit and see what they can do to settle this issue/

That is, in your opinion, helping Ukraine, which is fighting the terrorist attack of Russia, is NOTHING? Help in the destruction of terrorists, invaders of Ukrainian land-it's nothing? I will probably disappoint you - but it was thanks to the help of the United States, Britain, Poland and other countries that we managed to give a strong rebuff to the terrorist aggressor, inflict significant damage on him, prove the fakeness of his "military power", and now continue to effectively destroy the aggressor! The constant tantrums in the Kremlin about new arms supplies from NATO countries only proves the effectiveness of their help!

[Sithara007]

While I am against sanctions as they are completely useless, Europe will eventually figure things out and find the replacement. It won't of course happen over night but it will in a couple of years. If this drags on (and it probably will), life standard in Europe will go somewhat go down, while Russia will crumble like USSR did since they learned nothing from that failed experiment.

LOL.. so you are saying that Europe will find replacement in the next couple of years. What will they do until then? Maybe they will travel in donkey carts and heat their homes by burning firewood? And there is no guarantee that they will find replacement in the next 24 months. It is very simple. There is not enough supply of oil and natural gas in the world, to replace the supply from Russia. It is Europe that is going to crumble, not Russia. And already the signs are obvious. Now the catch here is that Russians are used to a life of hardship and difficult economic conditions. But can the Europeans deal with such conditions?

[pooya87]

Well differences apart, USA military equipment is still most reliable and modern in the world far ahead of what China and Russia are producing.

That's debatable but I think that would be off topic here.

Gulf countries from day one have not focused on developing military themselves rather they still rely on USA for all there defense. USA is in every gulf country for there defense like Doha, Kuwait, KSA. You cant just have a strong defense by buying expensive weapons from west, it takes years of hard work and indigenization.

As I said things are very complicated. These tiny countries at the southern part of Persian Gulf are artificial countries that were created by the Western bloc and their regimes are installed by the same powers so their very survival depends on their creators.
This is why we consider them US colonies and it is also why they have no choice but to remain in a cycle of selling oil <> buying useless US weapons. Unlike what you said, they aren't buying it for their "defense" the regimes are basically paying a high tax to ensure their existence.

Take the Patriot defense system. Each missile costs between 3 to 6 million dollar and they shoot dozens of them to bring down an aircraft worth a couple of grand and they can't do that. The aircraft comes and drops its bombs and goes back to its base while they waste tens of millions. Then they go ahead and buy more of it despite knowing how useless it is. Why? Simply because if they stop paying that "tax" the regime that was installed by US will be replaced by another one.

[Paul Pogba]

I used to work in a contractor who handled gas pipes, at that time I built a gas pipe that crossed the forest without occupants, to build a gas pipe was very difficult and took a long time, especially European countries which are full of settlements and public facilities so it takes longer , the easiest thing is to buy liquefied gas and then do processing.

[Rikafip]

LOL.. so you are saying that Europe will find replacement in the next couple of years.

Europe doesn't have to 100% replace, but to have alternative and not to rely so much on Russian gas. That would be step in the right direction.

What will they do until then? Maybe they will travel in donkey carts and heat their homes by burning firewood?

Same as we are doing now, and I don't see people traveling in donkey carts. And I don't see anything wrong in using firewood to heat your home, many people still do that in rural parts of my country.

It is Europe that is going to crumble, not Russia.

I kept listening that in while growing up in socialist Yugoslavia back in the 80s, how rotten capitalist west will crumble and we saw what happened.

Now the catch here is that Russians are used to a life of hardship and difficult economic conditions. But can the Europeans deal with such conditions?

That is true, Russians are used to dictators running and ruining their lives and unfortunately there's nothing they can do about it, unlike Europeans. Then again, Putin is not so young anymore (he already surpassed average male life expectancy in Russia) so who knows what will happen in the next few years.