Who will Replace Russian Gas Supplies to Europe?

[pooya87]

Europe doesn't have to 100% replace, but to have alternative and not to rely so much on Russian gas. That would be step in the right direction.

It is already too late to think about that. EU had the opportunity to not only find the replacement but construct the very much needed infrastructure to reduce their reliance on only one supplier of energy. They didn't go for it. Now the alternative sources aren't supplying EU with the energy they so crave.

And I don't see anything wrong in using firewood to heat your home, many people still do that in rural parts of my country.

It is not feasible. For starters almost all apartments don't have any place to burn firewood to heat it up and even if they did or alterations were made, there is not enough supply of firewood to meet even a small percentage of the demand.
Do you honestly think the 84 million Germans could warm themselves with firewood when temperature drops to -40 C?

I kept listening that in while growing up in socialist Yugoslavia back in the 80s, how rotten capitalist west will crumble and we saw what happened.

All empires crumble eventually although not overnight, Soviet Union fell, British Empire fell, ... and the Western one has been on a downward spiral for some time now.
I dare say that this could be the end of Europe unless they start making decisions independently because as long as they continue obeying US orders and play that game the result is going to continue being US and Russia benefiting from the game while Europe's economy continues crashing.

That is true, Russians are used to dictators running and ruining their lives and unfortunately there's nothing they can do about it, unlike Europeans.

I don't see Europeans or others that fall under the same Western bloc do anything about their dictatorships either. For example what did the French do over the past month about their dictator? Nothing. Dozens of people were murdered by the dictatorship to silence the protesters. What did Canadians, Americans, Australians, ... do about their dictatorships? Nothing. They all suppressed their people when they opposed the authoritarian regime's with an iron fist.

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[Lubang Bawah]

Russia has a lot of resources to make European countries helpless, the dependence of many European countries in Russian oil and gas makes Russia not afraid to invasion of Ukraine and maybe other countries will be the same as Ukraine, Russia understands that to build a gas pipeline requires a cost and time is needed and time Long time, of course it is interesting if we continue to follow the development of the conflict involving Russia.

[DrBeer]

Well differences apart, USA military equipment is still most reliable and modern in the world far ahead of what China and Russia are producing. Gulf countries from day one have not focused on developing military themselves rather they still rely on USA for all there defense. USA is in every gulf country for there defense like Doha, Kuwait, KSA. You cant just have a strong defense by buying expensive weapons from west, it takes years of hard work and indigenization.

Not quite sure about that. Recently Russia has been able to produce quality defense equipment at fraction of the price that the Americans pay for their equipment. One good example is that of the S-500 air defense system. It is cheaper than the American Patriot system, and much more inexpensive. The same can be said about the ICBMs as well. SS-18 Satan remains the most powerful ballistic missile manufactured till date. And I believe that Russia has also won the competition for the fifth-generation fighter aircraft. The Sukhoi Su-57 is rumored to be much more capable when compared to Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.

Su-57 is an excellent fifth generation fighter, thrust vectoring engines allow it to perform incredible aerobatics, such as a flat spin (however, the Su-35S can do this, albeit not with such ease). A very beautiful aircraft, it is currently being tested in combat conditions in Ukraine as part of a flight of four fighters that operate in a coordinated network as one. The ability of the Su-57 to maneuver is incredible and seems to be limited only by the ability of the pilots to physically withstand the resulting G-forces.

Your humor is amazing as always! And most importantly, so seriously, some may even decide that you are telling the truth  

Aerobatics, in battle it is of course very beautiful ... The pilots will go to the "other world" beautifully The problem is that the "vaunted" SU-57 has nothing to do with 5th generation combat aircraft, and does not have any advantages , in front of high-tech Western-style aircraft, even 4 or 4+ generations! SU-57 in real combat operations will be destroyed long before it can identify enemy aircraft. This is a fact Yes, and the concept of air combat in Russia is a close battle by analogy with the battles of the Second World War. In Ukraine, "unparalleled" SU and MIGs are even shot down by obsolete Stingers, which is why the aviation of the "second most powerful army in the world" is primitively afraid to fly into the territory controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine with "completely destroyed air defense and aviation." Don't believe? Listen to the Russian General Staff - a great comedy show!

Well, some information about this "classic Russian" anal-shit" Do not be surprised by this definition - in Russian the words "no analogues", when pronounced, turn into reality, which in recent years the Russians themselves have called all their "unique new weapons - and this is exactly "anal - shit" (there are no analogues -> analog shit on russian - aнaлoгoв нeт -> aнaлo гoвнeт)
So:
1. To date, since 2010, only 9 flying, flight prototypes have been released. Only 10 but 1 of them is for ground testing
2. Engine. The one that will, according to the fantasies of the developers, make it possible to perform turns and other circus exercises. He's NOT READY! His working sample is NOT! They already tried to put it into operation in 2016, when real samples of the SU-57 were supposed to be on duty, and in 2017, and every year they promised - "for sure next year." But, like everything in Russia, these are just promises For today, the latest OFFICIAL information is this: "The fifth-generation Su-57 fighter from 2027 will go to the troops with a new engine." This is if Russia remains on the map until 2027, which is in doubt

PS The other day another SS was shot down (not SU57, don't go gray ), the pilot was taken prisoner. He was lucky - the parachute was laid by members of the PMC Wagner, so it opened up, most of the pilots of the regular army of Russia - the parachutes do not open So - professional pilots in Russia are running out, you have to attract PMCs, guess where the pilots of the Russian military comic forces have gone?


ADD: Speaking of a flat corkscrew. Back in a distant distant year, when the drawing paper was just laid out to start sketching the SU-27, the F 16 was already flying in the USA at full speed. And do you know what it was doing in the sky? A flat spin, as well as a hover, as well as a somersault! Learn history!

[mm2543363580]

I used to work in a contractor who handled gas pipes, at that time I built a gas pipe that crossed the forest without occupants, to build a gas pipe was very difficult and took a long time, especially European countries which are full of settlements and public facilities so it takes longer , the easiest thing is to buy liquefied gas and then do processing.

I am not in the favour that EU and other countries boycott Russia for the purchase of oil and gas. I have read that finland depends on Russia for the whole supply of oil and gas. And in coming days when the weather will be be cold local will eat up the gov if there is energy crisis.

[Sithara007]

I am not in the favour that EU and other countries boycott Russia for the purchase of oil and gas. I have read that finland depends on Russia for the whole supply of oil and gas. And in coming days when the weather will be be cold local will eat up the gov if there is energy crisis.

Europeans still believe that they are living in the 19th century and the world revolves around them. Winter is just 4-5 months away and the European citizens are going to suffer when their governments starts to ration the gas supply. Either the industrial units need to close down, resulting in millions of lost jobs or tens of millions of citizens will be left on their own in the freezing cold without adequate heating. On top of that, whatever limited supplies of natural gas available will be priced at 2x or 3x of the current prices.

[mayfair_coin]

Qatar and US is a biggest LNG Exporter, May be Qatar and US could emerge as a gas supplier to Europe in future. US president Joe Biden and his counterpart at the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, announced a joint task force aimed at finding alternative supplies of ILNG and reducing demand for natural gas moving forward. On other hand, Qatari minister, who is also president and CEO of QatarEnergy said "Europe has been a destination for us, and is an important market for us and we will be supplying Europe in future".

[newdevices]

I am not in the favour that EU and other countries boycott Russia for the purchase of oil and gas. I have read that finland depends on Russia for the whole supply of oil and gas. And in coming days when the weather will be be cold local will eat up the gov if there is energy crisis.

Europeans still believe that they are living in the 19th century and the world revolves around them. Winter is just 4-5 months away and the European citizens are going to suffer when their governments starts to ration the gas supply. Either the industrial units need to close down, resulting in millions of lost jobs or tens of millions of citizens will be left on their own in the freezing cold without adequate heating. On top of that, whatever limited supplies of natural gas available will be priced at 2x or 3x of the current prices.

The problem becomes very complex and it cannot be avoided because of the domino effect,
when the government will eventually ration the gas supply it will burden its citizens,
This problem is really serious and we'll see what happens later

[galambo]

Europeans still believe that they are living in the 19th century and the world revolves around them. Winter is just 4-5 months away and the European citizens are going to suffer when their governments starts to ration the gas supply. Either the industrial units need to close down, resulting in millions of lost jobs or tens of millions of citizens will be left on their own in the freezing cold without adequate heating. On top of that, whatever limited supplies of natural gas available will be priced at 2x or 3x of the current prices.

While on the other hand Russia supplies are diverted to countries like China and India, Pakistan also tried to buy Russian oil but USA did a regime change operation in Pakistan that resulted in pro-usa government. Russia is losing not much from Europe boycott, its the EU that will be biggest loser in this game.

[Sithara007]

While on the other hand Russia supplies are diverted to countries like China and India, Pakistan also tried to buy Russian oil but USA did a regime change operation in Pakistan that resulted in pro-usa government. Russia is losing not much from Europe boycott, its the EU that will be biggest loser in this game.

Russia is neither gaining nor losing. Their export volume has got reduced due to the sanctions. But at the same time their revenues are up, thanks to the higher prices for crude oil, gas, potash, wheat and coal. The real gainers here are countries such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Iraq who are witnessing an increase in their export of fossil fuels. Their volumes are up, and so are the prices. And on the other side, the losers are net importers of fossil fuels, such as India, China, Japan, European Union, Pakistan and smaller African nations.

[mm2543363580]

While on the other hand Russia supplies are diverted to countries like China and India, Pakistan also tried to buy Russian oil but USA did a regime change operation in Pakistan that resulted in pro-usa government. Russia is losing not much from Europe boycott, its the EU that will be biggest loser in this game.

Russia is neither gaining nor losing. Their export volume has got reduced due to the sanctions. But at the same time their revenues are up, thanks to the higher prices for crude oil, gas, potash, wheat and coal. The real gainers here are countries such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Iraq who are witnessing an increase in their export of fossil fuels. Their volumes are up, and so are the prices. And on the other side, the losers are net importers of fossil fuels, such as India, China, Japan, European Union, Pakistan and smaller African nations.

Oil producing countries are never at loss, unless an invader comes in and destroy the economy like Iraq and Iran.
Russia has obviously a very strong defence having 7000 nukes is not a joke. They are at the top when it comes to defence. So they know how to run the market - the only at loss are those who are disconnecting their terms with Russia.

[DrBeer]

Russia has a lot of resources to make European countries helpless, the dependence of many European countries in Russian oil and gas makes Russia not afraid to invasion of Ukraine and maybe other countries will be the same as Ukraine, Russia understands that to build a gas pipeline requires a cost and time is needed and time Long time, of course it is interesting if we continue to follow the development of the conflict involving Russia.

You have heard enough of the fantastic propaganda of the Russian media and politicians. The reality is much simpler and more trivial.

Russia has only gas, oil and timber. Through the sale of which they live. Everything else is a backward misunderstanding. Oil is now bought from them for a penny by China and India. The real price of transactions is about $40 per barrel. The forest is also cut down by thousands of hectares every day in China. So far, only gas remains, which is somehow still sold in the EU. But soon this stream of income will also be reduced.
At the same time, there are still a lot of countries where oil and gas are produced. They are ready to supply it to the EU. Of course, some work is needed to change the supply scheme and a little finishing of the infrastructure... At the same time, those countries suffer from the economic terror of Russia, in the EU... where the rulers sold their countries and the interests of countries, for handouts from the Kremlin! Such is the fate of the villain)
But after changing gas suppliers, Russia will be left with its own gas, but without everything else - currency, technology, quality goods and equipment. By the way, they have nowhere to put their gas - they will have to stop production ... And all because in Russia almost all oil and gas revenues go to thieves and crooks like Putin and his friends. But for the development of the country they have long "put a big device" (I'm sure you understand which one. ). As they say - forward to the stone age

[Sithara007]

Oil producing countries are never at loss, unless an invader comes in and destroy the economy like Iraq and Iran.
Russia has obviously a very strong defence having 7000 nukes is not a joke. They are at the top when it comes to defence. So they know how to run the market - the only at loss are those who are disconnecting their terms with Russia.

Yes. You are right. Only ones who are losing here are the countries which refuse to purchase cheaper products from Russia. Germany would have never become a major industrial powerhouse without the cheap gas from Russia. Back in 1970s, the first socialist chancellor Willy Brandt took steps to construct gas pipeline from the USSR to FRG, as per the Ostpolitik policy. This step benefited FRG much more than the USSR. With cheap gas from Siberia, the German manufacturers were able to destroy the competition from Japan and the United States. Now they are forgetting all this, and in the end only their industries are going to suffer.

[pooya87]

Qatar and US is a biggest LNG Exporter, May be Qatar and US could emerge as a gas supplier to Europe in future.

In US they are currently discussing a law (that existed before too) in order to ban all energy exports. That includes oil, oil products and gas. They fake exploded their Texas facility to halt exports of LNG to Europe for at least 6 months.

The thing about Europe is that they are caught between two sides and are being kicked around like a ball. The reason for it is because none of them have independence! They simply take orders from US which means they are providing US interests not EU's interest!
Funny thing is that they always complain about how the decisions they make in European Union is terrible for their countries and yet they make those decisions and enforce them too.

The real price of transactions is about $40 per barrel.

Let's assume that this is true. Then it means that Europe's economy is fucked because they are paying about 3x more for the same energy that their competitors are paying. EU economy survives with its industries and products. If those products end up being 3x more expensive than the same product coming out of the competition (that is buying energy at 1/3 price) then nobody is going to buy shit from EU anymore.

The result would be EU economy and industries shrinking and more Russian energy being purchased by the replacements because THEIR economy and industries are expanding now...

[be.open]

Russia has a lot of resources to make European countries helpless, the dependence of many European countries in Russian oil and gas makes Russia not afraid to invasion of Ukraine and maybe other countries will be the same as Ukraine, Russia understands that to build a gas pipeline requires a cost and time is needed and time Long time, of course it is interesting if we continue to follow the development of the conflict involving Russia.

You have heard enough of the fantastic propaganda of the Russian media and politicians. The reality is much simpler and more trivial.

Russia has only gas, oil and timber. Through the sale of which they live. Everything else is a backward misunderstanding. Oil is now bought from them for a penny by China and India. The real price of transactions is about $40 per barrel. The forest is also cut down by thousands of hectares every day in China. So far, only gas remains, which is somehow still sold in the EU. But soon this stream of income will also be reduced.
At the same time, there are still a lot of countries where oil and gas are produced. They are ready to supply it to the EU. Of course, some work is needed to change the supply scheme and a little finishing of the infrastructure... At the same time, those countries suffer from the economic terror of Russia, in the EU... where the rulers sold their countries and the interests of countries, for handouts from the Kremlin! Such is the fate of the villain)
But after changing gas suppliers, Russia will be left with its own gas, but without everything else - currency, technology, quality goods and equipment. By the way, they have nowhere to put their gas - they will have to stop production ... And all because in Russia almost all oil and gas revenues go to thieves and crooks like Putin and his friends. But for the development of the country they have long "put a big device" (I'm sure you understand which one. ). As they say - forward to the stone age

This is not true, stop spreading false information. The real price of Russia's oil contracts with India and China is unknown to you, because this is classified commercial information. According to rumors from sources close to reliable, it is known that the maximum discount for Ural oil was 30-35% in the spring and the average transaction price as of April 1 was $80.5 per barrel (Russia's budget for 2022 was drawn up at the rate of $44.2 per barrel).

[Sithara007]

This is not true, stop spreading false information. The real price of Russia's oil contracts with India and China is unknown to you, because this is classified commercial information. According to rumors from sources close to reliable, it is known that the maximum discount for Ural oil was 30-35% in the spring and the average transaction price as of April 1 was $80.5 per barrel (Russia's budget for 2022 was drawn up at the rate of $44.2 per barrel).

Here in India, the oil companies are reporting that they are paying somewhere around $70 to $80 per barrel for Russian crude oil, which would indicate a discount of $30 to $40 per barrel. But a part of this discount is eaten up by higher freight charges and insurance cost. What is attractive here is the fact that payments are being made either in Indian Rupee or the UAE Dirham, which is convenient for India. Even after all the additional expenses, the Indian refineries are in net profit of at least $20 per barrel, which translates to tens of millions of USD per shipment from Russia.

[DrBeer]

Russia has a lot of resources to make European countries helpless, the dependence of many European countries in Russian oil and gas makes Russia not afraid to invasion of Ukraine and maybe other countries will be the same as Ukraine, Russia understands that to build a gas pipeline requires a cost and time is needed and time Long time, of course it is interesting if we continue to follow the development of the conflict involving Russia.

You have heard enough of the fantastic propaganda of the Russian media and politicians. The reality is much simpler and more trivial.

Russia has only gas, oil and timber. Through the sale of which they live. Everything else is a backward misunderstanding. Oil is now bought from them for a penny by China and India. The real price of transactions is about $40 per barrel. The forest is also cut down by thousands of hectares every day in China. So far, only gas remains, which is somehow still sold in the EU. But soon this stream of income will also be reduced.
At the same time, there are still a lot of countries where oil and gas are produced. They are ready to supply it to the EU. Of course, some work is needed to change the supply scheme and a little finishing of the infrastructure... At the same time, those countries suffer from the economic terror of Russia, in the EU... where the rulers sold their countries and the interests of countries, for handouts from the Kremlin! Such is the fate of the villain)
But after changing gas suppliers, Russia will be left with its own gas, but without everything else - currency, technology, quality goods and equipment. By the way, they have nowhere to put their gas - they will have to stop production ... And all because in Russia almost all oil and gas revenues go to thieves and crooks like Putin and his friends. But for the development of the country they have long "put a big device" (I'm sure you understand which one. ). As they say - forward to the stone age

This is not true, stop spreading false information. The real price of Russia's oil contracts with India and China is unknown to you, because this is classified commercial information. According to rumors from sources close to reliable, it is known that the maximum discount for Ural oil was 30-35% in the spring and the average transaction price as of April 1 was $80.5 per barrel (Russia's budget for 2022 was drawn up at the rate of $44.2 per barrel).

 

Oh, you really don't like it? Not as beautiful as in Russian propaganda? Well, what can I say - this is your problem. Get back to reality, get rid of propaganda, learn a lot of new things. But just screaming and kicking "No no no, it's not true" is not an argument. And remember the most important thing - the truth, no matter how they try to distort or hide it - ALWAYS becomes available, it cannot be hidden, like the crimes of the rashists who are passed off as "salvation". Come back to reality, here Russia may not look so fabulously "sweet", but it's true!

You can draw any numbers here, we know that Russian propaganda will put the price tag "White" on black, and deny any facts, if only to continue their line of lies.

PS If the clergy have incense as a means to exorcise demons, then to expel rashism from people, you must use the TRUTH

ADD What do you think - why did Russia suddenly classify some of the information about the budget?

[galambo]

Russia is neither gaining nor losing. Their export volume has got reduced due to the sanctions. But at the same time their revenues are up, thanks to the higher prices for crude oil, gas, potash, wheat and coal. The real gainers here are countries such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Iraq who are witnessing an increase in their export of fossil fuels. Their volumes are up, and so are the prices. And on the other side, the losers are net importers of fossil fuels, such as India, China, Japan, European Union, Pakistan and smaller African nations.

India recently reduced oil prices in country after they hit a deal with Russia for cheap oil import. Pakistan also tried to buy Russian oil but USA did an operation regime change in Pakistan and now there is new government in Pakistan which is not buying oil from Russia. India and China are taking full advantage of this situation and buying cheap oil from Russia.

[Freeesta]

Russia is neither gaining nor losing. Their export volume has got reduced due to the sanctions. But at the same time their revenues are up, thanks to the higher prices for crude oil, gas, potash, wheat and coal. The real gainers here are countries such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Iraq who are witnessing an increase in their export of fossil fuels. Their volumes are up, and so are the prices. And on the other side, the losers are net importers of fossil fuels, such as India, China, Japan, European Union, Pakistan and smaller African nations.

India recently reduced oil prices in country after they hit a deal with Russia for cheap oil import. Pakistan also tried to buy Russian oil but USA did an operation regime change in Pakistan and now there is new government in Pakistan which is not buying oil from Russia. India and China are taking full advantage of this situation and buying cheap oil from Russia.

One thing can be said with certainty - having your own oil and gas is very profitable. If you have a product, there will always be buyers. For better or worse, there will be people who want to make money by reselling your product. But if you have nothing and want to have something, then please pay money. You have no other choice and will never.

[DrBeer]

Let's assume that this is true. Then it means that Europe's economy is fucked because they are paying about 3x more for the same energy that their competitors are paying. EU economy survives with its industries and products. If those products end up being 3x more expensive than the same product coming out of the competition (that is buying energy at 1/3 price) then nobody is going to buy shit from EU anymore.

The result would be EU economy and industries shrinking and more Russian energy being purchased by the replacements because THEIR economy and industries are expanding now...

Well, look - you understand what's going on! Yes, yes, yes, that's right - corruption and pocket agreements with terrorists led to the fact that:
- Germany bought oil from a terrorist country, at 70-80 dollars per barrel
- When the EU refused to buy "bloody oil", Russia, as not only technologically backward, but also infrastructurally undeveloped, has no choice but to sell the surplus to those who are not bothered by the "smell of money." True, China, as the elder brother of Russia, ordered the price to be reduced to $40. India, I'm sure, did the same! And what - someone else will buy such volumes of oil from a terrorist?
What the EU pays is the price of betrayal of national interests by a bunch of corrupt officials at the top of power. I repeat once again - for all crimes comes retribution. Sometimes the innocent answer. By the way, friends who live in Germany write that many "questions" have appeared for the government and the ruling party, soon they will get to Schroeder and Merkel, we will find out how they lay at the feet of an international terrorist ...

[YinShuiSiYuan]

Well, look - you understand what's going on! Yes, yes, yes, that's right - corruption and pocket agreements with terrorists led to the fact that:
- Germany bought oil from a terrorist country, at 70-80 dollars per barrel
- When the EU refused to buy "bloody oil", Russia, as not only technologically backward, but also infrastructurally undeveloped, has no choice but to sell the surplus to those who are not bothered by the "smell of money." True, China, as the elder brother of Russia, ordered the price to be reduced to $40. India, I'm sure, did the same! And what - someone else will buy such volumes of oil from a terrorist?
What the EU pays is the price of betrayal of national interests by a bunch of corrupt officials at the top of power. I repeat once again - for all crimes comes retribution. Sometimes the innocent answer. By the way, friends who live in Germany write that many "questions" have appeared for the government and the ruling party, soon they will get to Schroeder and Merkel, we will find out how they lay at the feet of an international terrorist ...

But this boycott is still having no effect on Russia military invasion they are still in ukarine. According to latest news Russia saying  that they came to Ukarine not to fully conqueror it but to show there deterrence to USA and Europe. USA and Europe are afraid of jumping into this war and are just relying on boycott factor.