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Following are some different design coins I have been experimenting with as I got bored with the usual physical bitcoin concept.  Please feel free to share your thoughts and suggestions as I am open to feedback.

 

   

          DUAL LOADED BITCOIN/LITECOIN

         

 

              Coin with Litecoin and Bitcoin. So two public addresses and two private keys

 

 

 

          DUAL LOADED BITCOIN/DOGE COIN



 

              Coin with Dogecoin and Bitcoin. So two public addresses and two private keys

 

 

 

          DUAL LOADED BITCOIN/NFT

           

               

            Coin with 5 NFTs and Bitcoin. So NFT wallet and one private key

 

 

 

 

          RAW BITCOIN TRANSACTION ANY DATE BROADCAST

               

 

              Coin with Raw unbroadcast bitcoin transaction with NO timelock. Can be broadcast

          at anytime. One private key.


 

 

 

          MULTI VALUE BITCOIN COIN

 

          Multiple value Bitcoin values. Three public keys and three private keys

           The idea is to peel and spend different values at will without touching the others. Also in front
is the white paper abstract...yeah I know really small...need magnoifying glass to read Cheesy

 

 

 

           MULTI VALUE BITCOIN COIN WITH TWO HOLOGRAMS



 

            Multiple value Bitcoin, except this time there are two holograms and two private keys

           one for each public address. One can be peeled without exposing the second key.

 

 

           Shamir’s Secret Sharing COIN WITH TWO HOLOGRAMS


             
 

        One Bitcoin value, two holograms and two seperate private key shares utilizing Shamirs secret sharing

         2 of 3. The idea is to peel one and give to a second party and in order for this coin to

         be redeemed both shares need to be used to reveal the private key which can then be swept.
         
         A file will be provided along with the coin such as this to unlock the private key using two shares.

         https://mycelium.com/assets/entropy/checksalt/sss.html

        Was going to make 3 coins one with a share in each, to make 2 out of the 3 design but it would have been too expensive,
       
        So I eliminated the 3rd share and the 2 shares that are on the coin will be the only ones in existance to decrypt and reveal the private key.

         



      Continued to experiment with the following designs.....

       MONERO/BITCOIN COIN





      MONERO/BITCOIN/LITECOIN/DOGECOIN



        Yep...I have 8 Private key water proof papers behind that holo...had to dig deep into that coin!
  Also threw in there a metamask seed for a wallet with an NFT just for kicks!




       

        BIP38 COIN



          This uses Mike Caldwells tech with BIP38 encryption...so you have the private and public key on the outside...behine the hologram is the QR code for the private key and also a 32 alphanumeric password to decrypt the encrypted private key. According to https://www.security.org/how-secure-is-my-password/ it will take billions of years to crack it. I also placed the same BIP38 paperwallet on an online digital stamp back in 2017 loaded with 0.02BTC and it has yet to be cracked! http://www.crypto-stamps.com/private3.html




        5 YEAR ANNIVERSARY COIN FIRST CRYPTO STAMP MAILED 28th July 2017

         


         This commemorative coin has two holos...in the back is the private key for loaded BTC and also the seed for a metamask wallet for the NFT for this coin.

        The front has a cypher stamp hologram wallet seed for an NFT for the first crypto stamp mailed and also the first digital crypto stamp.
                     https://opensea.io/assets/matic/0x2953399124f0cbb46d2cbacd8a89cf0599974963/47547307638365115358100910084148609067724816525689145601576702520541581410305





       MULTI HOLO/MULTI SHARE SHAMIRS SECRET 2/3 ONE COIN



   
       I adjusted the front size and made larger font...hologram now filles the front nicely.




        3 SEPERATE 2/3 MULTI SHARE SHAMIRS SECRET COINS





           This time I made 3 shamirs secret coins with each one having its own individual share behind the hologram. So 3 coins and take 2 shares to unlock the private key in order to sweep the bitcoin.


VIDEO OF DUAL HOLODRAM COIN IN COMPARISON TO A QUARTER
 

 

         



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March 10, 2022, 11:24:05 PM
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I cannot afford it but I would want one of each lol

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I really like ALL the designs/concepts.

Specifically, I like a bit more the multisig/shamir coins - (as a concept not as a coin design compared to the rest)

The raw bitcoin transaction & the multi-value are innovative too!

Congratz on creating them & I am looking forward to acquiring some of those in the future
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Amazing creations you have here I love them all and hope to be able to aquire 1 of each of your amazing coins if they become available

Bitcoin is a real life cheat code to gain financial freedom 😉 the future is going to be fun
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Really like all the designs. Never seen that technology before either. Is the mintage on there true 1/1. I rather see a coin we can all get. Maybe 50 mintage. That also spreads the word about your coins and allows for secondary market price increases. If theres only 1, some whale puts it in his drawer and no one ever knows about it
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           MULTISIG/SHAMIRS SECRET COIN WITH TWO HOLOGRAMS


             
 

        One Bitcoin value, two holograms and two seperate private keys utilizing Shamirs secret

        multi sig 2 of 3. The idea is to peel one and give to a second party and in order for this coin to

         be redeemed both private keys need to be used.


 


THIS Krog, with a big fat number on it for future generations to come together over.

I imagine adding your timelock to the recipe... Wow!
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Coolest holos I've seen in a long time
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Wow, they are all very different and break the mould as coin designs go IMO.

I dont think anything like these have been done before?

I sense the brief for the design process was for the coins to have a "dual value",
kind of following the saying "Two sides to every coin"

Design wise I love them all, the dual hologram one is visually very different.

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I really like ALL the designs/concepts.

Specifically, I like a bit more the multisig/shamir coins - (as a concept not as a coin design compared to the rest)

The raw bitcoin transaction & the multi-value are innovative too!

Congratz on creating them & I am looking forward to acquiring some of those in the future

   Thankyou ser...with the multi sig was going to make two coins which I will someday but I simplified in one coin instead.

   Here is some good reading on Shamirs Secret Sharing in case anyone wants to know what is Shamirs Secret Sharing

   https://medium.com/bitbees/shamirs-secret-sharing-or-multisig-why-not-both-ad1be6dbccff

 

    
Amazing creations you have here I love them all and hope to be able to aquire 1 of each of your amazing coins if they become available

  Thankyou ser....Glad to hear a fellow physical bitcoin enthusiast liking these.


 
  
Really like all the designs. Never seen that technology before either. Is the mintage on there true 1/1. I rather see a coin we can all get. Maybe 50 mintage. That also spreads the word about your coins and allows for secondary market price increases. If theres only 1, some whale puts it in his drawer and no one ever knows about it

  Thankyou...the 1/1 are prototypes as I wanted to gauge fellow collectors interest in these concepts. Some people want purely BTC coins with no alts on them
and also some just like the plain old private key formats with no complications or NFTs.


    

THIS Krog, with a big fat number on it for future generations to come together over.

I imagine adding your timelock to the recipe... Wow!

     Thanks Sweeteye....very happy you like these concepts. I like to create new and innovative designs as it becomes more of a challenge to do these than a regular coin.



Coolest holos I've seen in a long time

    Thankyou very much....The holos are based on my trademark company logo.



  
Wow, they are all very different and break the mould as coin designs go IMO.

I dont think anything like these have been done before?

I sense the brief for the design process was for the coins to have a "dual value",
kind of following the saying "Two sides to every coin"

Design wise I love them all, the dual hologram one is visually very different.

  
    Thankyou ser....I believe some of these are the very first kind...and thats why I wanted to share...they have been in my thoughts for a looong time...I said it was about time to make them a reality. Just like my timelock coin was the very first coin made...so is this raw coin the first as well, just there is no timelock at all.

    And yes, i like the saying 2 sides to every coin. The front of the coin I will need widen the font area as the holo has too much space around it. The holograms are 2" ini diameter.....the coins are 2.75 inches wide, so I need to make the space between the holo and the outer text area smaller just like the back. The coins are also 5 mm thick as well.


it's not a secret that I'm a big krogoth fanboy  Grin ...
I like both multi value coins best, one hologram along with wp-abstract as well as two holograms  Smiley

edit: what's the difference between cipher and cypher?


   Thanks my friend!  Thats a good question....cipher or cypher...also why did I choose the name Cypher Hodl.

   The preference for cipher over cypher seems to be a little greater in American English than in British English. The Corpus of Contemporary American English has just over three times as many records for cipher than it has for cypher. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/147965/cipher-vs-cypher

   So when I came to choose my trademark name I wanted to use both..Cipher and Cypher.


   As to why I chose Cypher Hodl...I wanted to be mystery hodler. Cipher is used in cryptology and reading the following.....

https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/what-is-a-cipher

   Cipher can be a sign or a symbol, a coded message, the act of solving a math problem, or a person who is nothing, a placeholder, a mystery, or a blank slate

   Liked the idea of mystery as it pertains to Satoshi...unknown. Thus the creation of the name Cypher Hodl.  Wink

   Everything in my logo screams out Bitcoin!  The mysterious hooded hacker (Satoshi)....bitcoin eyes....Bitcoin sun in the background rising and also the name as well.
    

  

    
      

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I like them all.  I really like the NFT version, where I'm assuming you'd attach an NFT to it.  I also like the Litcoin and Dogecoin versions a lot.  As we were talking about yesterday I'd love to see a Monero version of this. It would fit in perfectly with the Cypher Hodl design.  I would image that there is someone in here who would be able to help you get that set up. 

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These are all great and push the boundaries of what is possible with physicals .... I like them all clearly, but have a particular fondness for MULTISIG/SHAMIRS SECRET COIN WITH TWO HOLOGRAMS Smiley
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Love the dual loaded coin idea - I’m sure this is unique . Has it ever been done before ?
Love the design - as usual Smiley
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I like them all.  I really like the NFT version, where I'm assuming you'd attach an NFT to it.  I also like the Litcoin and Dogecoin versions a lot.  As we were talking about yesterday I'd love to see a Monero version of this. It would fit in perfectly with the Cypher Hodl design.  I would image that there is someone in here who would be able to help you get that set up. 


 Thanks Ty...yes the NFT one will have its own NFTs inside along with the private key, so a person would need to peel the coin to be able to transfer the NFTs out from the coin to any address a person wishes or he can just leave it loaded on the coin. Yes Monero would be nice but I have very limited experience with generating keys for Monero.

   
These are all great and push the boundaries of what is possible with physicals .... I like them all clearly, but have a particular fondness for MULTISIG/SHAMIRS SECRET COIN WITH TWO HOLOGRAMS Smiley

    Thanks ser....appreciate the kind words....I also have in mind to create a two coin one where there will be one holo on each coin but only one part of Shamirs secret on each coin. I just did it this way as I thought it would be cool to have 2 holos on one coin and it also gave birth to my coin concept as well.





   
Love the dual loaded coin idea - I’m sure this is unique . Has it ever been done before ?
Love the design - as usual Smiley
   

     Thanks ser....Never seen it before...I was just experimenting with different ideas...thus the holos and the different keys etc etc etc.

     One coin will allow you to share a key while keeping the other intact...while the one with three allows you to share but then expose the rest. Also to give BTC without going thru blockchain by handing a few bits via private key instead.

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They really look incredible and making them dual loaded seems like a great idea, I only remember seeing a coin with those characteristics.
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there is the one bar that was btc and eth on the same bar. And I want to say there were some dual btc/ltc coins though the name eludes me atm. will do some research - possible I am wrong as well.

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They really look incredible and making them dual loaded seems like a great idea, I only remember seeing a coin with those characteristics.
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  Thankyou ser....appreciate the compliments.  Wink

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there is the one bar that was btc and eth on the same bar. And I want to say there were some dual btc/ltc coins though the name eludes me atm. will do some research - possible I am wrong as well.

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I love the dual loads and multi values. I always thought it would be neat to have a coin(s) with a basket of assets; like top 10 cryptos, or privacy coins, etc. Logistics may be a nightmare though lol; maybe some integration of a multiple link QR code?

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I can only say this: YES PLEASE!

I can't give you any critique if you're looking for that as I really like this!

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Yes Monero would be nice but I have very limited experience with generating keys for Monero.

Check out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5182081.0

... If you see how Phishead did the funding proofage there using the viewkeys, you can simply do the same the thing generating addresses/info offline by using a downloaded copy of https://moneroaddress.org/

source code is at: https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator/ 

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Coins are awesome btw! Smiley
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there is the one bar that was btc and eth on the same bar. And I want to say there were some dual btc/ltc coins though the name eludes me atm. will do some research - possible I am wrong as well.

Nattymind Samsara  - Which I still need to grab one; amazing coin


Krogoth - loving the work! Also excited to grab a set.

I love the dual loads and multi values. I always thought it would be neat to have a coin(s) with a basket of assets; like top 10 cryptos, or privacy coins, etc. Logistics may be a nightmare though lol; maybe some integration of a multiple link QR code?


  Thankyou ser........Something to do down the line for sure. Wink





 
I can only say this: YES PLEASE!

I can't give you any critique if you're looking for that as I really like this!

    Thanks Iced! Glad you like the designs and the concept.





Yes Monero would be nice but I have very limited experience with generating keys for Monero.

Check out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5182081.0

... If you see how Phishead did the funding proofage there using the viewkeys, you can simply do the same the thing generating addresses/info offline by using a downloaded copy of https://moneroaddress.org/

source code is at: https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator/ 

(moneromoo is a highly trusted XMR Dev) Cool

Coins are awesome btw! Smiley


    Thanks my friend...appreciate it.

     I always wanted a Monero wallet generator....now I know a good source. Will try it out  Cheesy

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